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Aerolite 103 / Aero 1000 Combo Update and Details
Just a few details about the history of the engine, the development of this adaptation, and details of the installation.
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Video

2nd Test Flight of the Aerolite/Aero 1000 Combination
zhlédnutí 5KPřed 7 měsíci
Just a few orbits of the field and a couple of passes. I think the biggest surprise so far is how there haven't been any surprises. It doesn't have the extreme thrust of some of the larger 2 stroke engines, and that's not the point. It's just a test to see if the Aero 1000 is a viable alternative to the 2 stroke engines commonly used.
Aerolite 103 with the 4 stroke Aero 1000 engine
zhlédnutí 26KPřed 7 měsíci
First impressions of this combination
Quad City LSS Details
zhlédnutí 990Před 3 lety
Just a few details about the LSS, and a few special mods
Rotax 503 Maintenance - Fan and Starter
zhlédnutí 14KPřed 4 lety
Basics regarding installation and maintenance of both the GPL starter system and the fan cooling system. Use this information at your own risk.
Quad City Ultralights Redrive Details
zhlédnutí 1,8KPřed 4 lety
Just a few observations and recommendations based on my experience. Sorry for the film quality; I'm a better pilot and mechanic than video maker. Not a substitute for your own proper training, knowledge, or experience. Use information and recommendations at your own risk. NOTE: at about the 7 minute mark, I mention the problem with using prop bolts that are too long. I forgot to mention that, a...

Komentáře

  • @twilightsparklegirlytl2796

    That is not a simple setup ,a piper cub is a simple set-up

  • @jasongrinnell1986
    @jasongrinnell1986 Před měsícem

    Well I guess I can wait. I’ve been thinking purchasing a quicksilver

  • @briankimmell7960
    @briankimmell7960 Před měsícem

    Who has engine parts? Pretend you are looking for gasket or other parts. See what wall you hit. Love the engine so hope that's not an issue.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před měsícem

      That's a valid point. At this time, parts are available only from Blackhawk Paramotors, the US importer. Unfortunately, this is the same situation we are in for several engine designs available; parts only available from one source. No competition. The days of having several companies offering parts for ultralight engine manufacturers seems to be over. Even parts for the legendary 2 stroke Rotaxs are drying up. Those of us that overhaul Rotaxs have bo choice but to source parts from other than Rotax now.

  • @bubbles9052
    @bubbles9052 Před měsícem

    Bucket list Item for sure....!

  • @CliffordMounts-vo1pp
    @CliffordMounts-vo1pp Před měsícem

    I want a areo 103 that's my dream ultralight , just hope someday I'll have the funds. Haven't had any income in over 3yrs so at 53 years old i have to start from the bottom. Wish my legs were in better shape..anyway I love ultralights and can only imagine how free one would feel being able to fly. God Bless y'all.

  • @i.r.wayright1457
    @i.r.wayright1457 Před 2 měsíci

    What did the early Piper J-2 use? 40 horsepower with two seats.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před měsícem

      Cubs are cool. However, that's not a "apples-to apples" comparison. The Continental A-40 weighs almost 3 times as much as the Aero 1000. And the J2 is much cleaner aerodynamically than an Aerolite. Simply comparing the 2 engines based on horsepower alone isn't realistic

  • @claeyer3866
    @claeyer3866 Před 2 měsíci

    If you install the electric starter , can i still use the pull starter ?

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před měsícem

      Yes, pull start can still be mounted. Assuming the structure allows sufficient space for it. On the Challenger design there is not sufficient room for both the GPL and pull start

  • @billhuitson5208
    @billhuitson5208 Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you , very easy to understand, a great explanation of the fan belt mechanism.

  • @lucianosantucci108
    @lucianosantucci108 Před 4 měsíci

    40hp for 1000cc - not great

    • @nigelsnell9770
      @nigelsnell9770 Před 3 měsíci

      I've always wondered why they call it Aero 1000 as it is a 250cc engine. The real benefit is the seriously reduced fuel burn, depending on cruise rpm, a bit under 1 gallon per hour, the old Rotax was at least double that !.

  • @harpandharley
    @harpandharley Před 4 měsíci

    Great explanation of the system! I’m sure you are being overwhelmed by questions right now, price, weight, delivery, etc. Looking forward to seeing your next video.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks. We've more or less settled on the redrive ratio for now. Climb rate now averages about 350' per minute, which was my goal. Price is going to be in the neighborhood of $10,500 for the Aerolite package. I'll try to post a follow-up soon

  • @brianwaller4469
    @brianwaller4469 Před 4 měsíci

    I gave Dennis $32113 in June of 2022 for the electric Aerolite 103 and he will not respond to us at all. I would think twice before investing!

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 4 měsíci

      I've worked with Dennis as a dealer for 6 or 7 years now with no problems. I don't know what to say about your situation other than he's having trouble securing some of the electrical components

    • @brianwaller4469
      @brianwaller4469 Před 4 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 Thank you for the reply Mark. Dennis will not take our call, respond to our email, respond to a letter sent from our lawyer, nothing. We just want our money back now. This is the beginning of my public comments to see if he will make good on our deal.

  • @user-wi5ww8mh7i
    @user-wi5ww8mh7i Před 4 měsíci

    Nice presentation

  • @donhuffer5167
    @donhuffer5167 Před 4 měsíci

    If I wanted to hear a guitar I would have put on James Taylor.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 4 měsíci

      Wow, one in every crowd, or maybe 2. My action camera doesn't record sound. Watching me fly around in silence would have been kinda stupid. If you want more engine noise, watch the first Aero 1000 video

    • @donhuffer5167
      @donhuffer5167 Před 4 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 I actually did want to hear how it sounds.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 4 měsíci

      ​@@donhuffer5167no worries. Did you watch czcams.com/video/Dqson3_0kOo/video.htmlsi=7pqHGHzDT69_72DF ? Or, do you mean you want to hear in-cockpit sounds? I haven't recorded that yet. But, i can tell you its somewhat quieter than a 2-stroke.

  • @Curious_Skeptic
    @Curious_Skeptic Před 4 měsíci

    WOW! I'm so so excited. Almost ready to get back into flying. Never finished my license. I'm age 52 now, and I'd like to buy my first craft, but don't wish to deal with medicals and FAA's nonsense. I want to be safe, in a safe craft. Still liking ultralights vs paramotors. Whatever will get me in the air for 30k or under lol.

  • @user-wi4rf7hl5r
    @user-wi4rf7hl5r Před 4 měsíci

    perfect engine for ultralight

  • @L2FlyMN
    @L2FlyMN Před 4 měsíci

    With the price of two stroke oil alone, 4 stroke is way less expensive to run!

  • @patrickmckowen2999
    @patrickmckowen2999 Před 4 měsíci

    Nice looking engine.👍 I think the Thump Air 460 is going to be its main competition. Cheers

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 4 měsíci

      Yes, I know Scott and the Thump-air well. We actually considered going that route at first, but the Thump-air was just getting started, and we decided to go with a design that's already flying

  • @ManNomad
    @ManNomad Před 4 měsíci

    Is all that critical wiring water tight or protected somehow? Is there a back-up fuel pump?

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 4 měsíci

      The connections are sealed, but I wouldn't call them water proof. No secondary fuel pump. Many ultralights don't have a back-up pump

  • @user-vh1re5oe7q
    @user-vh1re5oe7q Před 4 měsíci

    Thanks for this video, your honesty and support of ultralight aviation.👍

  • @JimPfarr
    @JimPfarr Před 5 měsíci

    You guys did great work with that engine and mounting! Glad to see more options coming to the market.

  • @williamwhitley1174
    @williamwhitley1174 Před 5 měsíci

    Great video and explanation Mark. Thanks - Bill

  • @rizzywizzy
    @rizzywizzy Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks for the informative video. What is the cruise speed with the engine? What is the fuel burn? Do you have an approximate idea of how much an Aerolite with this engine would cost? Thanks.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 5 měsíci

      We're still narrowing down the numbers, so all I can give are approximations at this point. Rate of climb is 300-400' feet per minute at a 1000' density altitude. Cruise is about 50mph, typical for draggy ultralight-type airplanes. Fuel burn is 1.5 to 2 gallons per hour. Conversion kit is $1750. All up is going to run about $30000 for the kit

    • @thecottonpatch80
      @thecottonpatch80 Před 5 měsíci

      Does this engine keep it in the ultralight category?

  • @johnb1895
    @johnb1895 Před 5 měsíci

    DID YOU BUY IT THIS WAY? Or did you convert it from 2 stroke motor to 4 stroke. What is exact motor and were did you get it for what Price? was it all bolt on or need modified ?

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 5 měsíci

      The engine is called the Aero 1000 built by Helvanco in Switzerland. In the US it can be purchased directly from Blackhawkusa.com. It is a purpose-built 4-stroke intaily developed as a high performance go-kart and parachute-type aircraft (ppg) engine, but was recently adapted to Quicksilver fixed-wing ultralights. We are creating a package for adapting to the Aerolite. Stay tuned for updates soon.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 5 měsíci

      The price seems to constantly fluctuate because of shipping cost, but the engine alone will run $9000 to $9500. We haven't nailed it down yet, but the conversion kit will probably run about $1300-$1500

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 5 měsíci

      The conversion is mostly bolt-on. There are few fuselage frame members that have to be altered to make the engine mount work. The modifications were approved by the airframe manufacturer. the conversion kit comes with all parts needed and detailed instructions

  • @robw4ltz408
    @robw4ltz408 Před 6 měsíci

    How does the 105 perform with 2 blade, 6 blade props with various pitches on this motor, 👍

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 6 měsíci

      Hey. We're still working that out. For now, I'm please to say performance is good. We're tweaking the redrive ratio and prop combination as weather allows. Stay tuned! Thanks for your interest.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 6 měsíci

      You may also want to watch the follow up video, czcams.com/video/Lavo_RS42qo/video.htmlsi=jBubT6wVW0SRhKXY

    • @whatilearnttoday5295
      @whatilearnttoday5295 Před 4 měsíci

      Still folds up into a little ball of death all the same.

  • @briand4000
    @briand4000 Před 7 měsíci

    four stroke power would make this airframe really great without that howling/screaming 2 banger right above your head. Very nice to see this performing well!

  • @rickswain147
    @rickswain147 Před 7 měsíci

    This motor high RPM low power does not appeal to me I'd rather see an update on the electric motor or maybe a hybrid motor that can charge the electric motor battery while underway

  • @olds88371
    @olds88371 Před 7 měsíci

    What is the cost so far

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      It looks like it's going to be about $11000. That includes everything to adapt the Aerolite for the engine, including instructions

  • @chrisarvin1715
    @chrisarvin1715 Před 7 měsíci

    How did you trim to fly hands off?

    • @chrisarvin1715
      @chrisarvin1715 Před 7 měsíci

      @1:40

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      Not a thing. I was a little surprised, too. Aerolites tend to be pretty stable in the CG range, even with different engines, but I expected it to need a little adjustment. But, nope, perfect as is. On my next flight test sequence I'll try a few different power settings see if it has the typical pitch tendencies that come with high thrust line pushers.

  • @pbarnwell
    @pbarnwell Před 7 měsíci

    Ppssst we came to experience the 4 stroke engine ….lose the Music

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      Watch the first test flight video. Lots of engine noise 🙂

  • @vg23air
    @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

    tell the editor we want to see the takeoff from dead stop to wheels up, and on grass, thanks

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      We haven't progressed to that yet. If your concern is takeoff roll, I can tell you I won't be as quick as a 2 stroke. Pound for pound, you can't beat the power to weight ratio of a 2 stroke. But, the power of the Aero 1000 has so far proven its sufficient enough that we're going to continue developing it as an alternative. Stay tuned for more videos as we progress. Thanks for the input.

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 thanks, no i am comparing it to available 4 strokes, using the 503 6 seconds on grass as a benchmark. the worst is the 1/2 vw 20 seconds the best is the thumpair at 8 seconds then the briggs and the eos quattro at 11 to 13 2024 is going to be very competitive for ul 4 strokes, lots of choices and lots of documented stats and performance. the only one that matters, dead stop to wheels up.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      Interesting. What airplane were you using for comparison? And was density altitude relatively the same for each test?

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 no idea its not scientific, we go by whats the best we can find for the engine then let people make up their own minds, for example, the quicksilver mx single surface hi lift wing with a lightweight pilot on a paved runway at 4.5 seconds, we discount that completely. Anyone marketing an engine is going to put out the best video and info they can, lol like quicksilver, people buying have very little to go by when deciding, this is the one thing they can look at and go that could be me. headed towards trees., so its an important metric. right now, the thumpair has the lead with two videos on two different planes at 8 seconds. thanks

  • @vg23air
    @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

    there is only one metric, its my bible, how many seconds from a total dead stop to wheels up, (GRASS). The goal is 6 seconds, (this is almost any UL with a 503 that is now over weight) The maximum allowed is 12 seconds, obviously the closer to 6 the better. The half VW is as slow as 20 seconds, dangerously under powered imo. The briggs and Stratton Van Gaurd 23 hp is 11 seconds, 13 with a 275 pound pilot, in a legal eagle. The new EOS Quattro 276 cc 4 stroke single (44 lbs firewall forward e prop) gets a dingo biplane up in 11 seconds in uncut grass. The thumpair 460 4 stroke single is 8 seconds on dirt. (tail up rollout with sudden full back for stol), another thump air with runway pavement hi max plane 8 seconds standard takeoff not stol. Lets us know this metric, it is all that matters (when you see that tree line).

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

      the only video I have found so far is this engine on a quicksilver single surface wing on pavement with a tiny pilot, 4.5 seconds to wheels up. but, its single surface hi lift, on pavement, with a lightweight pilot and headwind not disclosed, and its a marketing video and we dont know tire psi.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      I appreciate your concerns about performance. Nothing is worse than a great airframe with an underperforming or unreliable engine. However, I don't think you can make real "apples to apples" comparisons on engines when not taking into consideration the differences between airframes and conditions. If you did all test in the same Legal Eagle, with the same pilot, with the same conditions (grass, similar density altitude, no wind), then yes, you could make some real world comparisons. I will record grass takeoff time and distance at some point, but even then it's more of a "apples to oranges" comparison.

    • @vg23air
      @vg23air Před 7 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 thanks, most of us can look at a aircraft, watch it fly, and come to some conclusions very easily. thanks for you participation, it is genuinely appreciated :)

    • @whatilearnttoday5295
      @whatilearnttoday5295 Před 4 měsíci

      @@markmurray8517 There is basically no airframe on this thing let alone a great one.

  • @BruceTGriffiths
    @BruceTGriffiths Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for this video. Could you tell us if this Aerolite 103 still makes part 103 weight with this engine? Thanks again.

  • @toddcwalker4208
    @toddcwalker4208 Před 7 měsíci

    Thanks for installing the Aero 1000 on your Aerolite 103 and showing us that it is a viable alternative to 2-stroke power. I look forward to additional tests and your thoughts.

    • @markmurray8517
      @markmurray8517 Před 7 měsíci

      Thanks. I've got a good group of customers that make it possible 😊

  • @coryturner9140
    @coryturner9140 Před 7 měsíci

    Adequate power for most people and probably more reliable than most two strokes and the fuel savings will be worthwhile for sure!

  • @whoanelly737-8
    @whoanelly737-8 Před 7 měsíci

    Very cool!!!

  • @relicme4103
    @relicme4103 Před 7 měsíci

    I’d love to be able to own something like this someday!

  • @williamwhitley1174
    @williamwhitley1174 Před 7 měsíci

    Has an interesting sound

  • @clearedtofire
    @clearedtofire Před 7 měsíci

    My assumption is it will prove reliable and a good choice for many. While you said it has plenty of power, personally I would prefer a 4 stroke in the 60 hp range. I understand the weight issue though.

  • @blackhawkteam8625
    @blackhawkteam8625 Před 7 měsíci

    that puppy sounds awesome!

  • @RC-Heli835
    @RC-Heli835 Před rokem

    Thats a great looking engine We had one that came installed in a Ralley 3B Ultralight. Im modeling the engine and plane to fly in Phoenix RC Simulator.

  • @62heliman
    @62heliman Před rokem

    Thanks for the review, I'm looking at a Titan 1 with the Rotex 503. I'll have to really quiz the owner about all this. thanks Mike

  • @markpacey1009
    @markpacey1009 Před rokem

    How do I sort out belt walking? My belt tends to try and run on the rear guide ring of the bottom pulley..

  • @rolandsinclair-brown2970

    Hi Just an input on your commented re the pullies on 503 after 2 belt failures (rust) I had the pullies cromed 4 years later no problems My Airfield is close to the sea North Coates Lincolnshire U. K

  • @embededfabrication4482

    how can you tell when that fan bearing is nearing the end of it's life??

  • @destroytheilluminati770

    i have seen the GPL starter cup that bolts to the mag/flywheel shim develop cracks, even seen 1 example blow apart and damage the fan housing. Another starter that is very rarely seen is one called air redrive, this system has a 1way sprag needle bearing cup mounted to flywheel and it is driven by a toothed belt driving a toothed pulley off starter motor, that 1 way sprag bearing fails easily and sometimes locks up causing the motor to suddenly lose rpm during flight. If you have an air redrive starter system, take it off and throw it in the junkpile

  • @hokehinson5987
    @hokehinson5987 Před 2 lety

    Hard chromed pulley sheeves would be a great after market item to prevent belt degradation due to rust on sheeves.

  • @bikemancody2752
    @bikemancody2752 Před 2 lety

    The last 2 Redrives I have rebuilt, I used NTN Bearings. Super high quality. Check them out. Japanese made.

  • @TrikeOps
    @TrikeOps Před 2 lety

    Beautiful bird! Nicely done 👍.

  • @simplyfocus9937
    @simplyfocus9937 Před 2 lety

    How can I get one

  • @arsyadtech
    @arsyadtech Před 2 lety

    Great machine and good job