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I agree. I would actually like mine to work on all three of my Sony Cameras - ZV-1, ZV-E10, and ZV-E1

I use general purpose paper towels. Of course clean cotton would be best. I have also use white cotton patches used to clean a Shotgun barrel, on my higher-end CPU's, which are amazingly cheap.

To be completely honest, I am not 100% sure. I would tend to think it is at risk to some degree, however that also depends on the motherboard. Have you looked to see if there is a BIOS update available?

I downloaded the bios update from the Asus webpage when I got it last week, but I haven't checked since. Edit: just checked through the MyAsus app, bios is up to date

@@PE4Doers I updated it last week when i recieved it from the asus webpage. Either way, I just checked through the MyAsus app and it says everything is up to date

@@PE4Doers it is up to date

@@Matopototo Then you should be OK for now. Just make sure You check again in about a month to see if an improved fix is ready.

All core load is not what's damaging the CPUs, is single core loads, also oxidation is not playing part in it that problem was at the start of production of 13th gen more than a year ago and was fixed at that time, the reason for the damage on the CPU is the voltage, and you'll see the highest voltage request from the CPU when is in single core loads that's when the 14900k will boost to 6.0ghz and it needs 1.50v+ to get there, the importance of that is because the P core, E cores and ring all three get their voltage from the same input so when that P core is boosting to 6.0ghz and drawing 1.50v+ the E cores and the ring are also getting those 1.50v+ , the P & E cores can take the voltage but the ring gets fried rather quick, the CPUs that BZ checked where used for Minecraft servers, which is a very high SINGLE CORE load, 14900k only last 3 months under those conditions at stock settings, the replacements the server provider where then underclocked to 5.7 (so they would draw less than 1.50v) and now they last 6-7 months with less overall fail CPUs, in summary voltages over 1.45v are damaging the ring , so unless they cap the max voltage to at least 1.45v the ring will get damaged and the CPU will degrade.

I am not comfortable in general for playing with those voltages. If a mistake takes place it could be unrecoverable for the silicon. With the value, and the replacement effort, as high as it it, I would rather lose some of the performance 'for now.'

@@PE4Doers that's the thing if your CPU is requesting 1.45v+ on single core load is already degrading the ring, limiting the voltage is the only fix.

@@ivantsipr I agree, and am very hopeful that updated microcode scheduled to be released by the end of the month alleviates this issue with some improvement in performance over this interim step.

I am sure of that. There was some significant financial loss from this event. If mine starts to fail I may join them in that action.

That is a way to go, of course. I am wondering what you mean by 'I had the chance to keep your loyalty. I am not partial to Intel or AMD. If you look through my videos I have built PCs with both.

Definitely do not use the metal washers. I would suggest some paper or plastic stickers (nothing metallic - if you could test with a multi-meter that would be best).

@@PE4Doersthank you sir! Another question, if I can get the adhesive insulator off the old motherboard would it be okay to reuse it even if it doesn’t stick to well anymore?

@@yorha2j525 If you don't tear it, then add a little non-conductive glue and it should work fine. It is only meant to be an insulator. Just make sure you don't use a tool that could damage any nearby lands when you take it off the previous motherboard..

Thank you Sir 🙂 I truly appreciate this nice comment.

I'm very glad to hear that it works for you ON now. Thanks to the nice comment.

You are very welcome. Thank you for watching and adding this nice comment.

I would say that is as close to accurate as I could imagine - for now.

Ummmm.... Do you and your brother normally get along? I would rather look on Ebay and get one that was never used (since another cooling solution was used from the start). I have two in my basement storage that were never taken out of the box, so I may have my son or daughter put them up on Ebay.

I am leaning your way - just to be safe. I cannot easily replace mine at this point however.

@@PE4Doers Me neither and mine works fine - but I am checking the settings and making sure everything is OK. I wonder if total system power draw has decreased since making the recommended changes.

@@John-td9cp I would say the power power has gone down, but that is something I did not want to risk testing before the BIOS upgrade.

@@PE4Doers Yeah just curious as I know what my total system power use was from the wall before the changes so I'll see what the difference is now.

@@John-td9cp I had that same curiosity, but not willing to risk crossing the degradation thresh-hold to prove it. I looked at some of my previous low-impact testing on the CPU, compared them to what I had previously, and deduced the 5 to 10% performance loss from that information.

To be completely safe, I would say that the 13600kf needs the Fix, even though it is less likely to be affected. All 13th and 14th Gen CPUs are on the same basic substrate architecture, so I would NOT take the chance skipping that firmmware/microcode update.

@@PE4Doers I installed the updated version of the BIOS, shouldn't I have updated the BIOS?

That's great. I was leaning that as I did the research on the problem, however I'm extremely conservative on things like this, so I am keeping the activity on my at the minimum until the next firmware/microcode update is released and installed.

13400 and 13600k is fine. 13700 and 13900 however are not

Sounds like a win. During the overclocking did you alter the CPU voltage?

To be safe I would, since it depends a lot on the motherboard, under/over volting and heat.

Mainly for CPUs based on Raptor Lake, and the high-end CPUs are the ones prone to have the issue over time used.

@@teknativo That is exactly my interpretation of it

@@PE4Doers and potentially more details to come in the upcoming weeks. Do you speak Spanish? My recommendation right now to not push the CPU (OC, attempt for it to fail, tests/benchmarks) and configure some workarounds like reducing the Core ratio of all the PCores, and to wait for mid September so we will have BIOS update or at least one that has been revised multiple times. But if the CPU is one of the ones with the oxidation issue, then it will need RMA. I have a 13900ks by the way, still I believe I am still lucky since I have not experienced any issues with it, still, I have the latest BIOS update and with all P Cores at 56 with a 360mm AIO. Really good recommendations for your audience David ;)

Good point, but also applies to electronic equipment in general.

It was not specifically on the list of highly vulnerable CPU's, however I would make sure to update the BIOS as soon as possible, then again in a couple of months if another revision is released.

@@PE4Doers Thanks sir is my cooler sufficient ak620 deepcool. I'm afraid if my cpu will get fried toasted

The name should make no difference. I tend to avoid using BIOS FlashBack when doing an update, unless the existing BIOS is corrupted, since it introduces other hardware on the motherboard that may not have been tested as thoroughly (recently), and can be a little confusing on its operation based on pressing buttons for a certain amount of time and looking at only lights. I forget which video on that topic I watch about 4-years ago, but the video creator ran into some issues after using that feature.

That’s only when you use the flashback button only. If you do rename it will fail if you do it the traditional way by going into the BIOS.

@@JayzBeerz That may be right. I thought I once renamed it to something else and it still worked with the BIOS Tool, but I honestly don't remember if I used it that way or not. I do know it checks if the file is meant for a specific motherboard, but I thought it was checking internal file header block for that information. That is something I may try on one of my older motherboards that I no longer use.

@@JayzBeerz on my Asus motherboard I used the BIOS renamer, went into the BIOS and used the easy flash 3 option and the BIOS did not fail and worked perfectly. So maybe it's a different motherboard where the flashback button only works with the renamer, but the standard way of updating the BIOS worked just fine with the renamer. Thanks for the help though!.

@@gcurtis9453 cool enjoy

I would say a 14600kf is also affected based upon the research I did, but I also know others that have said it is not. You have a tough decision when budget is a factor. Sorry.

Get an AM5 r7 or r9 instead.

I too like to live dangerously

Very good. Let us know if you apply the next BIOS release from MSI which is supposed to include the new CPU firmware.

Thanks for the information. I did not realize their were issues with the Intel limits on some ASUS BIOS versions.

I have same problem with new bios on asus. So Im back on 1201. On 1402 i had problem with temps. Started having more then 60 degrees in games when on 1201 I have 50. And clock speeds started to change all around. I don't know why. Didn't check the voltage on 1402. But on 1201 voltage is stable around 1.2 - 1.4 at tops

I did not see any of those portable CPUs listed, however, if available for your device, I would recommend any BIOS related updates are applied when released. That will be heavily dependent on the manufacturer of you unit however.

It more than likely is since it's also a raptor lake chip and ALL raptor lake chips are impacted, including laptop ones... I'd look around a bit more about this if I were you

I am in full agreement with you on that. Unfortunately the executives will now be pushing the engineers and developers to get some done as quickly as possible. Having been one of those at the end of the spear, that effort tends to be counter to creating an optimal solution.

There's been talk that Intel engineers says they're ring bus supplying power inside the cpu is stretched thin and can't take overvolting. That's on top of the oxidation issues and microcode and motherboards overvolting

@@BoraHorzaGobuchul I was under the impression that the Arizona plant was the location of bad chips. It sucks, I just built my dream PC in March too with my 13900k I got in Feb. I really hope they give more answers would hate to buy another CPU (that is clear from the radar).

WOW, you are obviously an experimental computer engineer. Early on in my career I loved to delve deep into the power/speed performance variables, but eventually decided to settle into desiring stability over performance. The key think I learned when I was more like you was that their is 'always' a cost, since changing one electrical parameter usually affect more than one other. The faster the clock, the rounder the edges of the square wave become, and hence the more difficult it becomes for the logic to determine ones and zeros being passed between the gates. Finally, heat has always been and always will be the enemy of silicon longevity.

My question as a fellow MSI Laptop owner, ( recently bought a new 14th gen Raider18, Couldn't manage the titan18 with courier limitations) I haven't even opened the box yet. My main inquiry, is the 14th gen Intel 14k chip in theses laptops the main "Raptor Lake" culprit with the oxidation & overvolting issue? & Secondly, as I haven't even opened it yet, what would you recommend? ( I'm hoping MSI USA releases AMD versions of the Raider18 so when I hopefully can return this 1, untouched, I can eventually get any kind of refund or reimbursement...to then choose something else...or just get the AMD MSI...) I'm open for advice & suggestions

​@@zechssiguro7476there have been reports of laptop chips failing too and since the i9 14900hx series features the same die as the desktop, it is certain that they are also affected. If I were you, I'd return the laptop and get an amd equivalent now or wait for zen 5 laptops

Id send the chip in for rma cuz intel is replacing damaged cpus...

@@danipubg4946 I thinks that's best, I'll have to get creative to get any reimbursement, MSI might not even have an Amazon style 30days etc...but I'm def going back AMD, my original MSI is still AMD.

According to my research the 11th Gen Intel CPUs have not been affected by this problem, so I think you are OK. A lot of it seems related to cooling and CPU voltages modification (many of it done by the Motherboards behind the scenes. I use both Intel and AMD, and have seen issues with both lines over the years, so something like this is bound to happen regardless of the one you pick since they are always playing right at the edge since they keep outdoing the other - especially with their highest performing units.

This issue is still there in the microcode currently. All this update did was add limits to reduce the likelihood of an issue, but it definitely isn't the final fix. When they release the updated microcode (supposedly in the late August firmware update), we need to get that installed as soon as possible. Then continue to keep an eye out for any other problems.

I agree. At this point we can only do what we have power to do, and hope their permanent damage. To your point, we also have to be mindful that the silicon has been stressed enough that the affects of a failure may only be delayed. Unfortunately, I think it will be a 'long road' trying to get an RMA accepted unless we have at least minimal evidence that damage may have taken place, unless Intel does a full recall of all the chips.

It is my understanding that everyone should just update the BIOS, then ensure that the Intel Limit are enabled (which should be by default now). Any Overclocking for modification of the limits - even under-volting - will put the chip at further risk until the new Microcode is loaded later this year.

It will not be enough but it should slow any damage that is happening. There are already testers that show the most recent microcode is still sending much too high voltage requests, sometimes 1.6V or higher. For reference anything over 1.4V is considered potentially dangerous.

@@asdf_asdf948 I sincerely hope they notice that and make the appropriate corrections. I have invested a LOT in my new Content Creator Workstation, and I need it to perform for me at a level I can count on.

Thanks Jason

Thanks Tony, much appreciated.

Good idea. Just remember to update it again once the new Firmware with the fix to the microcode is released. Then be mindful of the system reliability going forward. If you get a Blue Screen, make sure to save a copy of crash dump.

@@PE4Doers After updating it, I set the BIOS to defaults with F5, then enabled XMP for my DDR5 memory. I'll be watching and logging any crashes, and awaiting the August update.

@@obriennyc Great 🙂 That is what I am doing as well.

I did not hear that, but am not surprised. Having worked for several organizations, I have seen first hand how Executives immediately resort to denial. In some cases, a couple of the right heads role, which I hope will be the case for the benefit of their customers.

@@PE4Doers Yeah.

Kathrin, I fully understand what you are saying and I believe your additional information may help many more people than my video alone. I will Pin your comment so that everyone can see your remarks at the top of the list. Thanks you, as always :)

​@@PE4Doersvery informative video! I have a few short inquires. #1) is the laptop version of the Intel Core i9-14900HX a "RaptorLake" chip & 1 of the main 1's affected by this oxidation&overvoltage till death issue? & #2) If I happen to own 1 of these laptops but haven't even opened it yet, if YES, ..what's the smartest way to proceed, towards getting a refund, or AMD alternative ( bough an MSI Raider18HX a few mths ago) unopened was waiting in unbiased independent through reviews, that never came... Would greatly appreciate any advice!

@@zechssiguro7476 The 13th gen i9 laptop was affected so it’s supposed that the 14th is too. I also bought one with the 14900hx cpu + 4090, asus scar 2024. Such a shame, I’m worried it dies a few months after warranty goes, it was not cheap at all

@@zechssiguro7476 1) I would say it is highly possible that is. Hopefully, the company that supports your portable system can come up with both an interim and long-term BIOS/microcode update quickly. 2) If it were me, I would try and return it and wait out what's this all leads to. Whether you get a refund, or not, and go for an AMD equivalent depends on how much you need that system in the short/medium term.

@@PE4Doers that's the plan! ...it's just that I also paid too damn much for an 4080 version, windows 11 is gonna try total "Recall" everybody & then windows 12 is also gona come soon next yr...& Of course aim to be EVEN more intrusive than win11,...along with trying to wait & see if Intel does this, or MSI does that....which most likely they won't.(Refund..I pray so!) But MSI are bringing the same model in AMD versions( now in Original Taiwan & China)...I just have to wait for them to be available in the US. . . . 6 of 1....half a dozen of somebody's mother.....sigh.

You are welcome. Do you have one of these Intel CPU chips?

@@PE4Doers I have a 12th GEN Core i7-12700k so I don't think so.

@@ronm6585 I believe you are good. It's doesn't seem to affect the 12th gen, although I will still update my 12-900K - just in case.

I really hope my wording was misleading in the Video, but you are quite right - once the silicon in the chip has been degraded it cannot be repaired. The Chip will start to have strange error and probably completely fail at some near time. I made this video just give those who have not had damage 'yet', a way to limit or prevent it from degrading (never guaranteed of course), until the real fix is released. For example, in my specific case, I did not use the chip much at all except to initially test, and I did not run any severe stress testing on it at all. There may be others like me with the same situation.

I have 13900 k for 8 months and don't have issue. It must be something with hardware of part of intel cpu. Becouse I have old bios and mine cpu is around 1.2 to 1.4 voltage in every scenario. Cinebench or unreal engine 5 and never had any stability issue. So really don't know why some of cpu drow more power.

I'm not 100% sure what you are asking, but if you want to connect multiple Fans to the App (even from other manufacturers, if they use the same App), if you would like to.

That sounds very good indeed. I am just about to move on to the next step of placing the completed motherboard into the case, however I'm going to interrupt do that to update the BIOS to version 2402 (which I will create a video on of course). I am doing that to limit the issue recently found between the 13th and 14th gen Intel CPUs and certain higher-end motherboards (like ours). It seem that the default settings used by the motherboards (and not limited by the motherboards) is leading to increased CPU failures and reduced life due to improper voltages, higher clock speeds, and severely high power draw generating excessive heat. Stay tuned.

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WOW, that was a great deal as long as it fully works. The HDMI output is excellent.

@@PE4Doers Yep it works great so do you connect the HDMI to graphics card and remove the type C cable right ?

@@scyzorpl That is correct. Good luck.

@@PE4Doers Thank You and i've notice i didn't sub well now i will thank you for responding

@@scyzorpl Thank you Sir

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I agree. Thanks for the comment.

Thank you as well for the comment.

It has some nice additions (like the quad-band if you use mostly Wireless), however I like the PWM fan and the larger number of 1gig ports built into the AX89X. By the way, I am currently using the AX89X. A friend of mind asked me to do a review of his AXE16000, so it is running at his place right now.

You are welcome. Thank you again for the gracious comment 🙂

Thank you for the nice comment.

Thanks Jay, your comment is very much appreciated.

The single PWM CPU Fan connector on the Artic AIO controls the PWM Pump the small PWM Fan on the pump assembly (that cools down the heat-sinks for the 12-vold power stages), and all the Fans on the radiator. Since all are PWM devices, you need to connect that single 4-pin PWM Fan connector to the CPU Fan header. There is no separate 3-pin Pump connector. If you want to however, you could separate the Fan connectors from the radiator, connect them to the CPU Fan and CPU Option connectors (put two of the fans on a splitter connected to the Option header) and the pump/power-stage fan to the Pump Header on the motherboard, however that is Not recommended by Artic since the pump and that small fan will not be controlled as PWM.

@@PE4Doers thank you for your reply!

Well, there is a Windows App you can run from your desktop computer that is available on the Reolink Website. The current version/file is "reolink_setup_8.16.8_0.exe". Once you have downloaded it, you will need to log into it using the Admin account you created at installation, then in the menu on the left pick the NVR gear (to the right of NVR), then Network, then Advanced. The second entry should be 'Enable UID', which you need to click turning it Blue with the dot to the right.

I would suggest to ask a friend with a laptop if they don't mind downloading the client and you can enable it there and then delete the client from the laptop afterwards. I wish Reolink would just make the "Enable UID" button available on the smartphone app but it doesn't seem likely.

@@jeffjeffjeff2 A great idea 🙂