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Hmmmm. Baby fundie voice.

More interesting info, my 2cents worth to support his awesome facts, natives could cover 200 miles in 2 days by runners. A horse cannot do this. You can see my point. Runners up and down the Inca hiway, could cover a couple of thousand miles in a matter of a few days. The horses were a drag to them. The mongols on the other hand could cover several thousand miles in a couple of weeks. From Peking to Poland in 2 weeks.

Hui shen in 400 ad gave a 800 page report to the Chinese emperor about the land of fushang , the Aztecs And reported seeing a few horses and wagons among the Aztecs. Since this awesome video, much more about horses has been discovered. The chroniclers said that on there way to Zuni , they noticed wolves lashed together with a wooden frame, hauling substantial loads .

Mazatlan, aztalan, tecnocticlan, atlan are ancient names of Aztec cities in Mexico,the chroniclers said they came from ‘’ Atlan’’ and place across the sea called Atlantis. Greek names on Aztec cities

Lately a lot has been said these’’ hand bags of the gods’’ every ancient ruler hand one, labans was brass.

In the summer of 1974, John and Evylynne brinkerhoff showed me 2 pipestone horse the size of your thumb and big toe. They were found on the Athabaskan Asian pit house ruins on woodruff butte Arizona. You can see the circular pits on google earth. A doctor in Scottsdale az bought the collection in the 90s. I bring to everyone’s attention to recover those horses. 100s of ppl as. Myself are eyewitness to these ancient prehistoric pipestone horses .

Unsurprisingly excellent presentation. The name Dan Peterson is synonym with thorough scholarship, trustworthiness, and high quality involvement in the cause of our Lord's restored truth.

To all you anti's in here, why are you in here? Do you not realize that you are fulfilling Joseph Smith's prophecy to the letter? Anyway just as a heads up, leaving the church right before the second coming is equivalent to jumping out of an airplane. You won't be able to get back in the plane.

Another fantastic video! Thank you!

I think maybe the most obvious reason the BoM creates this parallel is because after the Exodus the Israelites established judges with Joshua. Joshua and Alma as Sara pointed out are compared both being "young" Alma's name likely meaning "young." Alma becomes the first chief judge of the land. This transition of government to judgeship in the BoM likely needed some authority and precedent to validate the system!

Mosiah means "deliverance" but Joshua also comes from the Hebrew name Yehoshua, which means "God is deliverance" or "Yahweh is salvation"

Another fantastic video! Thank you

"...they can humiliate and pressure you with questions you don't have an answer to yet." This is why the CES letter works. It's not about the volume of questions asked, it's that when you start looking for answers you realize that even after decades in the church, nobody ever mentioned this stuff or prepared you to answer it. It's wasn't actively hidden away, but it was intentionally neglected in order to keep the membership from being exposed to it. You realize that the Church has asked everything of you, but has never been entirely upfront about its own history.

There are some good insights here, but there are some problems with the speaker’s arguments here. One is that he hinges his arguments about the origins of the Gadianton Robbers on specifically metal armor. Metal armor would have been extremely impractical in Mesoamerica because of the heat and humidity. Any tactical advantage gained by being able to resist hits would be quickly negated by soldiers succumbing to heatstroke. What we do know of ancient Mesoamerican armor fits much better with the description in the Book of Mormon: heavy quilted long shirts, breast plates and ark shields made from wood, bone, etc. and head plates (not helmets) that were made from wood, stone, or bone. (Note Mormon’s description of injuries from head plates being split in half-- something that isn’t as likely with a helmet.) His assertion that heavier taxes for the war caused political and economic instability is quite possible (taxes to fund England’s wars caused the American colonists to revolt), but it seems unlikely that metal armor would have been the cause and that it was Captain Moroni’s fault for using metal armor. (Also of note, this is the second time that I have seen a scholar who is also a veteran presenting at a FAIR event who seems to have a chip on his shoulder about Captain Moroni and his respected status in the Book of Mormon while being a military leader. The level of violence, cruelty and brutality that humans inflict on each in war is very real and I believe that the emotional wounds that LDS servicemen Bear from war are very real. But I think Captain Moroni probably understood those wounds as well as our servicemen. I do not believe Captain Moroni was somehow immune from being emotionally affected by warfare but that is a different discussion.) The speaker here points to one incident of rule of law among the robbers as proof that they conducted themselves for honorably than the Nephites, but this is a real stretch because we simply don’t have enough historical evidence about how all of these groups were conducting themselves. Consider pirates in the Golden Age of Piracy where each ship is run according to its own rules. Just because one captain required all his men to attend Sunday services (true story), doesn’t mean they all did. There are times when he seems to be admiring of the robbers and displays a bias towards them based on other historical figures, though again, the actual historical record on this time period in the Book of Mormon isn’t sufficient to make broad claims.Another important part of his argument hinges on the Nephites basically were prejudiced against the Gadianton Robbers and that that was their main problem with them. While there are definite examples of Nephites displaying prejudice in how they write about the Lsmanites, there does seem to be something more going on here. First of all, just because the Gadianton Robbers were an outside group and the Nephites spoke badly about them doesn’t mean the Gadianton Robbers weren’t doing bad things. The European explorers, for example, had prejudice towards the Aztecs, but the Aztecs were also participating in brutal and violent human sacrifices. The record is fairly limited on the details about the Gadianton Robbers, but Mormon specifically focused on not disclosing their rituals. He focused on this repeatedly. He clearly felt that there was something in the rituals they were doing- not just the fact that they were extra legal or outsiders- that was so dangerous that it should not be disclosed. Lastly, from a theological standpoint the caution against the Gadianton Robbers was spoken by prophets in an official capacity. Though we don’t know very much about the Gadianton Robbers, the fact that the Book of Mormon prophets repeatedly warned against them and felt that something about their rituals would become a problem for people far into the future, should indicate that they were not a threat to be taken lightly.

Almost all people in the bible were black unless you had leprosy

I have studied theology and Mormon doctrine for more than 60 years and I am amazed at the ignorance here! I am well aware that Joseph and others made inspired exceptions to this priesthood ban up until as late as 1935, but these were inspired exceptions such as Christ made to the Canaanite woman after initially REFUSING her. However, this ban was scriptural, it was stated and confirmed with explanations in an official first presidency official doctrinal statement, it was taught by so many prophets, and Joseph Smith made the following statement that people like you never mention! "The curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan, neither will it be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come."!!! See Moses 7:8 and 7:22, snd the first chapter of Abraham which speaks of the " RACE" that was denied the priesthood!!! THINK!!!!!!!

These idiots should not blame Brigham Young! This ban and racial curse stated with Cain, Moses 7:22, and was continued through Hams fourth son, Canaan, Moses 7:8 and Abraham chapter one!!! This is a statement that your type always ignores from Joseph Smith: "The curse is not yet taken off the sons of Canaan, neither wil it be until it is affected by as great a power as caused it to come." If there had not been a legitimate ban, there would have been no revelation to remove it!! THINK!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You're a devil and will receive your reward!

Amen

D&C 109: 22 And we ask thee, Holy Father, that thy servants may go forth from this house armed with thy power, and that thy name may be upon them, and thy glory be round about them, and thine angels have charge over them; 23 And from this place they may bear exceedingly great and glorious tidings, in truth, unto the ends of the earth, that they may know that this is thy work, and that thou hast put forth thy hand, to fulfil that which thou hast spoken by the mouths of the prophets, concerning the last days. 24 We ask thee, Holy Father, to establish the people that shall worship, and honorably hold a name and standing in this thy house, to all generations and for eternity; 25 That no weapon formed against them shall prosper; that he who diggeth a pit for them shall fall into the same himself; 26 That no combination of wickedness shall have power to rise up and prevail over thy people upon whom thy name shall be put in this house; 27 And if any people shall rise against this people, that thine anger be kindled against them; 28 And if they shall smite this people thou wilt smite them; thou wilt fight for thy people as thou didst in the day of battle, that they may be delivered from the hands of all their enemies. 29 We ask thee, Holy Father, to confound, and astonish, and to bring to shame and confusion, all those who have spread lying reports abroad, over the world, against thy servant or servants, if they will not repent, when the everlasting gospel shall be proclaimed in their ears; 30 And that all their works may be brought to naught, and be swept away by the hail, and by the judgments which thou wilt send upon them in thine anger, that there may be an end to lyings and slanders against thy people. 31 For thou knowest, O Lord, that thy servants have been innocent before thee in bearing record of thy name, for which they have suffered these things. 32 Therefore we plead before thee for a full and complete deliverance from under this yoke; 33 Break it off, O Lord; break it off from the necks of thy servants, by thy power, that we may rise up in the midst of this generation and do thy work. 34 O Jehovah, have mercy upon this people, and as all men sin, forgive the transgressions of thy people, and let them be blotted out forever.

When so many of the attacks are deliberately misleading, why should we take the CES letter seriously at all? We have a source that is proven time and again to be truthful, and we have another source that is proven to be dishonesty repeatedly. Is there a question which one we ought to believe or even take seriously? The CES letter has many more valid criticisms leveled against it than any church source. It is more densely packed with lies, half truths, and deception than almost any other publication in existence, yet we are expected to accept it at authoritative? It fails its own tests and is, therefore, nothing more than a poor joke, given in bad faith. Anyone promoting it should be likewise rejected as a purveyor of lies.

Compassion toward imperfect leaders... Awesome reflection

Stop your stupid lying you apistates and read Abraham chapter one where the seed of Canaan through Ham were of that "race" that was denied the priesthood, and how the were cursed with black skin (Moses 7:8), just as Moses 7:22 talks about the same curse on the seed of Cain, you dirty lying apistates!!!

Thanks Ben! This was great!

One of these days this group will get better recording equipment and more people will watch it.

Another fantastic video! Thank you!

The audio is very echoy and not fun to listen to 😢

The scriptures, just like 99.9% of the bible are fictional nonsense. Other than geographic locations and 3 possibly 4 people, it's all fake. Zero facts.

Wonderful lesson yet again!!!

Every Faith has detractors. Live and Let Live. 🙏♥️🙏

What if "Anti" was the name of the lamanite king, father of king Lamoni? It makes so much sense in my mind and heart

Another question is: what do they mean by steel? I thought these type of questions were a joke. Steel is steel, isnt it?

Who in the name of Davy Jones locker is making these sigma male edits of apologists??!! What is happening?? What's next? A brain rot skibidi toilet version of Jack Welch discussing the Chiasms in the Book of Mormon? Idk man maybe I'm just getting old.

Masonic Temples are satanic.

1:52 wow, where can we see the original manuscripts? I’d like to go into this more!

Thanks FAIR. Been following you for many years and attending your conferences since 2010, I think. Thanks for all you do.

Dr. Danial Peterson is without any doubt ( in my opinion ) is the most intelligent, teacher I have ever heard. I love this brother.

Why not refute the claims made at 42:00 is not hard to do. For one thing, Adam and Eve were 6000 years ago - that means there are dating problems with kennewick man and lineage data that are supposedly 8000 and 14000 years ago. I've also seen refutations of the supposed absence of X2a from the Middle East.

Thank you for putting this on CZcams! I grew up in Austria, and for 30 years I haven't heard about any conflict between my religious faith and science (I studied chemistry in Vienna). Only after moving to English-speaking countries (first South Africa, now New Zealand) did I encounter creationism. It spent the last 25 years fighting this fundamentalist thinking in religion. It seems to me that creationism is more prevalent now than a few decades ago (mainly "Intelligent Design", but also Young Earth, and even Flat Earth). Religious belief, on the other hand, is in decline. I guess it is similar in Europe now, but you also have to deal with the large influx of Muslim population, which is not a problem here. I belong to an organisation named New Zealand Christians in Science. We try to bridge this perceived gap between science and religion, but it is an uphill battle, creationists are much better funded.

So NO DNA EVEDIDENCE in Meso America is a better than DNA evidence from a questionable dating if the Kennewick Man? Basing your argument against Haplo Group X on the Kennewick Man is problematic. Carbon dating for KM range from 2100 years ago to 8400 years ago...literally all over the board. Referenced archeologists of course choose the earlier date to maintain their paradigm that KM was older than the modern Native Americans in an effort to not only maintain their narrative, but also control of the remains and discovery site. However, said scientists lost that battle in the court of law where KM, now called the Ancient One, was deemed to be a Native American. His remains were taken from the scientific community and returned to the local tribe for reburial. Should the earlier carbon datings be correct, he would have walked the North America about the time of Christ, which would not only challenge the ever waffling scientific community's paradigm, but also FAIR Mormon's. Tapir anyone?

When you slander Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins - you lost all your supporters. Hitchens and Harris typically use these two arguments and build on from there. It’s disingenuous to say they give little argument and instead relish in ridicule. This shows an alarming dishonesty. You need to apologize

You did not mention at all DNA studies of the mitrocondia DNA from the bones of the hopewell people. Why?

Another fantastic video! thank you!

Is there a possibility to test for this marker ?

4 months online and only 15 views. That is criminal if Gerritt Dirkmaat is speaking it should be at least double that!

North American Continent, not western hemisphere

The Nephites never went south of the Reo Grand River.

Joseph taught that the temples in South and Central America were not of the Law of Moses but we're Cambodian. Exodus 20 last 2 versus

On the Zions camp expedition, Joseph sent a letter to his wife saying they traveled the width of the Nephite nation, from Palmyra New York to Kansas City Missouri, it was his apostate brother, William who pushed the South America theory, not knowing that going that way, the nephite ship had to travel against the wind and waves all the way. TOTALLY IMPOSSIBLE for a ship propelled by sails and a rudder.

I recall hearing about this before from either Brant or another LDS scholar, and so it's nice to hear it in this short clip, for easy reference. It is little details like this in the Book of Mormon that, to me, really help to reinforce the Mesoamerican model. And there are lots of such little details such as this one. I also look forward someday to finding out exactly what type of animals comprised the 'flocks' mentioned in these verses. Many folks automatically assume 'sheep', but old world sheep as we know them were not present in the New World at this time, so it must have been some other animal, perhaps a type of deer. Native American horses, also mentioned in these verses, were likely used as pack animals rather than ridden, as they were smaller than the equus caballus, or old world horses later brought by the Spaniards. They were likely either equus conversidens or else equus mexicanus. Since we are just now reading about this as part of this week's Come Follow Me lesson, it is very pertinent. Thank you for sharing :)