Dear Mr. Gifford, Could you please spend less money on putting up signs about how much it will cost us to park in your lot, and a little more money on proper signage for the trails?
I have done it going up. I think you can see it in my "Outside Loop" video. It was great! A little river running down and everything. I also agree that the 2 stroke would be better. I just don't have space in the garage for one.
Love your and Bounder's vids. Some very technical sections in this vid. I have a mtb background and know nothing about dirt bikes. I'm curious, with all the fork travel of dirt bikes I figured they'd just eat up roots. Do you think that is limited by front wheel diameter? mtb's have gone to 29" from 26" and that has helped with that. This in no way is an assessment of your riding, I'm just curious generically about diffs between mtbs and dirt bikes. Certainly device weight probably also plays a role in technical riding.
Tire diameter definately plays a part in obsticle clearance. Most road motorcycles have a 17 or 19" fron wheel. Dirt bikes and Adventure bikes have the 21" front for that very purpose. From there the suspension and rider skill come into play. Bounder and I are by no stretch "expert" riders. We just don't know any better. The lighter the dirtbike the easier it is to manipulate through the terrain. Your MTB takes a whole lot more effort to go uphill where as we have the engine to do that. Downhill you'd have a much better time than we would especially on the more technical. We simply prefer the dirtbikes due to our physical limitations and we can see more in a given day.
@@Gamet36 Interesting, thanks. BTW, I am very jealous of the distances you guys are able to do. I've wondered if having an mtb background would make picking up dirt biking easier or whole new learning process, which is why I was curious.
@@vashon100 It'd be intimidating at first. Once you bond with the bike though......there's nothing like it. Body position would transfer over easy. The hand/foot coordination might take a bit to get down.
@@Gamet36 I did ride a honda 1974 450 sl (the one with up pipes, I think the cl was down pipes) back in my college days for 3 yrs commuting, no off road. Been a loooong time ago.
@@vashon100 safe to say that bikes have changed a bit since then. More power, crisper handling, and less weight. I'd recommend going to the local dealer and see if you can putter around the lot for a bit. If there's a smile on your face then you'll know.
Personally, I would never buy a 4-stroke because a dictatorship called the EPA forced them on the industry and they are too expensive. So I will stick with the freedom of a 2-stroke and a $150.00 top end rebuild,---while morally rejecting communism. :) You guys can do what ever communism wants you to do. Not me. If we don't understand that, well, enjoy the near future that you did not reject.
Good video. How is your suspension on your WR450? I have a 2024 WR450 and set the sag but the suspension seems very stiff. I ride mostly dual tracks and logging roads up in far NE Wisconsin. I even opened up the compression clickers 6 clicks and still quite stiff.
I opened them all the way when I first got it. Once I rode it a bit I started adding clicks to my liking. I think right now I'm maybe 6 clicks compression (from full open) and maybe 3 clicks for rebound. that's the beauty of the WR. You can have it stiff or pretty soft. It's a great bike. Tire pressure also makes a big difference.
We did a loop from Karner Flat camp ground. Where 947 and 941 intersect, there is no official camp ground , parking lot, or staging area. But that is common around there. Just camp where there is space I guess.
I got a crf450r and it just fell into my lap. It was a broken bike sitting in someones yard that they needed gone. It took some work to get it running again. But it glides along and reminds so much of my Honda 100 I had as a kid. It was even red too. Putted along just like it with the same feels. Just more power like I am ready for these days. It has a working front brake too. I never needed one as a kid because I never went that fast that the rear couldn't stop me quick. It was nice on hills while it was there.
@@Gamet36 Needs a fan or to pour some water on the rads after putting around so you don't blow a hose like I did. I should have richened the AF and took for a run before putting it up. I thought the engine blew. But it was just the top hose that runs between the rads.
28:25 "Aw Nuts", hey that's the same thing general McAuliffe said when the Germans told him to surrender. We are officially naming that particular root "Ron's battle at Bastogne".
What a beautiful place to ride... I sure miss WA geography.
The 450 sounds like it’s Snarling lol
12:09 I wonder how many times search and rescue have to look for lost people at Gifford? Probably a full time job.
10:31 It's a shame we have to use two different mapping programs to figure out what the bad signage should have told us at a glance..
5:29 Yup, that the place I bent my shifter...
Dear Mr. Gifford, Could you please spend less money on putting up signs about how much it will cost us to park in your lot, and a little more money on proper signage for the trails?
2fiddy?
450
I don't have a DR 650 yet!! Is the carb kit worth the hassle especially if it doesn't give you any horse power gains?? I'm just asking
@Edward-pf3lo YES. YES it is.
I think Bounder would love an Xtrainer from Beta.
The two guys at the end both had Betas. One was the Xtrainer and they let him sit on it. He said it was still too tall. :(
If you were going up that, it looks like a good place for a gummy rear and a soft mousse.
I went up it a few months ago on Tusk T-45's. It did ok. But yes the gummy would be better. Bounder is running the IRC V33S. That does quite nicely.
Dealer says "we've not heard of it". Haha!
Of coarse they did.
That looks like fun
What Kenda tires are you using and how do you like them on the WR
Kenda K760. A pretty solid tire. No complaints. For the price....can't beat it.
8:15 holy smokes, where did all that grey hair come from?
6:41 wow, that spot was brutal...
Toughest sanctioned trail at Walker 😉
This is a true statement.
I’d love to see you do Marty’s Mania
Ask and ye shall receive. It's posted now.
That trail would be much harder going up. The Wr450 did pretty well I think a two stroke would be better on trails like that.
I have done it going up. I think you can see it in my "Outside Loop" video. It was great! A little river running down and everything. I also agree that the 2 stroke would be better. I just don't have space in the garage for one.
11:47 Finally a place where my shorter wheel base is an advantage. I can actually make that turn.
8:20 You don't have to be insane to ride this trail, but it helps.
What you riding
@@GUTPILE 2022 wr450f.
Bill has come so far. It is an amazing journey!
Agreed!
18:44 OUCH!! High center hell. Just multiply that by 10 and your riding my bike!
13:02 Don't look to the left!!
8:10 thanks for warning me about that big rock, I avoided it.
7:53 Hey, I stalled it in the same two places. Must be a trail feature that automatically kills the engine.
0:56 Yep, I think I need more body armor. Maybe a couple layers of bubble wrap around me?
Nice. I pulled up a walker valley map and could see (and follow) your route starting about 1/2 way through vid.
12:15 What would you estimate was your miles per hour in that section. ha! LOL just kidding. Great efforts though.
Love your and Bounder's vids. Some very technical sections in this vid. I have a mtb background and know nothing about dirt bikes. I'm curious, with all the fork travel of dirt bikes I figured they'd just eat up roots. Do you think that is limited by front wheel diameter? mtb's have gone to 29" from 26" and that has helped with that. This in no way is an assessment of your riding, I'm just curious generically about diffs between mtbs and dirt bikes. Certainly device weight probably also plays a role in technical riding.
Tire diameter definately plays a part in obsticle clearance. Most road motorcycles have a 17 or 19" fron wheel. Dirt bikes and Adventure bikes have the 21" front for that very purpose. From there the suspension and rider skill come into play. Bounder and I are by no stretch "expert" riders. We just don't know any better. The lighter the dirtbike the easier it is to manipulate through the terrain. Your MTB takes a whole lot more effort to go uphill where as we have the engine to do that. Downhill you'd have a much better time than we would especially on the more technical. We simply prefer the dirtbikes due to our physical limitations and we can see more in a given day.
@@Gamet36 Interesting, thanks. BTW, I am very jealous of the distances you guys are able to do. I've wondered if having an mtb background would make picking up dirt biking easier or whole new learning process, which is why I was curious.
@@vashon100 It'd be intimidating at first. Once you bond with the bike though......there's nothing like it. Body position would transfer over easy. The hand/foot coordination might take a bit to get down.
@@Gamet36 I did ride a honda 1974 450 sl (the one with up pipes, I think the cl was down pipes) back in my college days for 3 yrs commuting, no off road. Been a loooong time ago.
@@vashon100 safe to say that bikes have changed a bit since then. More power, crisper handling, and less weight. I'd recommend going to the local dealer and see if you can putter around the lot for a bit. If there's a smile on your face then you'll know.
Good vid and commentary. Can you clarify, do you like that trail? Ha! LOL
Personally, I would never buy a 4-stroke because a dictatorship called the EPA forced them on the industry and they are too expensive. So I will stick with the freedom of a 2-stroke and a $150.00 top end rebuild,---while morally rejecting communism. :) You guys can do what ever communism wants you to do. Not me. If we don't understand that, well, enjoy the near future that you did not reject.
hello, did you park in kanner right? what passes you guys use? is discover pass okay? or do i need different one?
@Haroold127 just the discovey pass. Don't hold me to that though.
Good video. How is your suspension on your WR450? I have a 2024 WR450 and set the sag but the suspension seems very stiff. I ride mostly dual tracks and logging roads up in far NE Wisconsin. I even opened up the compression clickers 6 clicks and still quite stiff.
I opened them all the way when I first got it. Once I rode it a bit I started adding clicks to my liking. I think right now I'm maybe 6 clicks compression (from full open) and maybe 3 clicks for rebound. that's the beauty of the WR. You can have it stiff or pretty soft. It's a great bike. Tire pressure also makes a big difference.
Where you finish, what campground is that? Where 947 meets 941?
We did a loop from Karner Flat camp ground. Where 947 and 941 intersect, there is no official camp ground , parking lot, or staging area. But that is common around there. Just camp where there is space I guess.
I am going to have to come down and ride that trail. Thank you for posting it.
@@soilsmanadv6673 you are very welcome. It was a blast making it.
I like this trail. Maybe this summer I will head down, camp and ride it. What is the upper elevation of the trail?
941 is pretty flat the entire length. No more than 200 ft change. the trails that spur off of it on the other hand.......
I got a crf450r and it just fell into my lap. It was a broken bike sitting in someones yard that they needed gone. It took some work to get it running again. But it glides along and reminds so much of my Honda 100 I had as a kid. It was even red too. Putted along just like it with the same feels. Just more power like I am ready for these days. It has a working front brake too. I never needed one as a kid because I never went that fast that the rear couldn't stop me quick. It was nice on hills while it was there.
That's what I'm talkin about! Nothing wrong with these machines.
@@Gamet36 Needs a fan or to pour some water on the rads after putting around so you don't blow a hose like I did. I should have richened the AF and took for a run before putting it up. I thought the engine blew. But it was just the top hose that runs between the rads.
30:45 So what about that tree made you decide to stop? Pass your wisdom on to me.. My wrists still hurt 4 days later.
I was on the wrong line. Had to reset.
30:45 Hey, there were handlebar marks on that tree BEFORE I hit it. I was just following the crowd!!
Yes you were buddy.
29:08 So I bet you didn't even notice the cliff on the left side?
Which one?
28:25 "Aw Nuts", hey that's the same thing general McAuliffe said when the Germans told him to surrender. We are officially naming that particular root "Ron's battle at Bastogne".
I like it
23:31 Hey, that's the tree that knocked me off the trail!!!
20:07 Wow, that was a pretty awesome humph!!!
36:34 I'm a bad influence on you. I never heard a "yea ha" out of you before you started riding with me.
34:14 Ha - I was short LONG before I was old. Anyway, Thanks for the rest!!
28:00 So that's how I caught up to you
21:50 Look at me not taking the easy route, of course we will do the MOST DIFFICULT trail, of course that was my attitude before I hit 5 trees...
16:15 that was an awesome stream
12:29 oh no, I insist you continue to worry about me!! No slacking of partners is allowed.