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I ALSO HAD A COPY OF 3.1 OMG MAN HOW FRUSTRATING

I would love another video. MUGEN based Sonic fighting games like Freedom Fighters, and all the one-button supers are pretty bizarre in their own right as well, but wow, **this** was bizarre.

I’m gonna plug and say: give Sonic The Fighters Blitz Hyper Edition a shot! It’s a pretty well made 2D Remake of Sonic the Fighters, and I’ve had a lot of fun with it! I believe it’s also still being worked on, but what is given is a really good experience!

the midi music in sonic battle LEN is honestly just kind of a cultural difference. the fangame/doujinsoft scene in japan has a lot more continuity from the 90s (when basically any downloadable game had to use midis to keep a reasonable filesize) to now, so a lot of longstanding creators are just still using midis (especially since a lot of them compose their own music and have made it an artform in their own right) and newer creators that got into the scene from playing existing doujinsoft will just go with the flow a lot of the time (especially since a lot of those established composers release their midis for free use - i don't recognize that time distortion theme but i wouldnt be shocked if its one of them)

I still think Smackdown is the best Sonic fighting game. Sure, the PR is bad but that can be ignored to an extent if you just wanna play the game with friends and the characters are not COMPLETELY unoriginal. Theres still plenty of moves that the fit the characters well and they're fun to play either way so at least for me - it's the best one we got

Thanks for mentioning us even though you were not happy with what we made. Online modes are not easy to make, especially for fighting games. Even capcom struggled with delay based netcode before rollback became the standard. At the time, we were 2 people learning gamedev in the midst of a global pandemic.

The *way* ArcForged asked for money was kinda scummy, but it makes sense because they have their own original IP's that they're making. I think one is called Head2Head. Using a Sonic Fan Game is gross, but I don't think asking for funding isn't inherently a bad thing. I also personally dont mind the character's having copied moves from other games. Chaos's Venom move still had to be animated from scratch and programmed in. If it gave us a roster as big as they gave, i don't mind.

Here's hoping someone manages to get a DRM-Less version of Sonic Gather Battle and we can enjoy that game again, without the risk of getting your IP Stolen and whatnot. Because damn, it was such a good, damn game.

Pearsec 🍐

Wait. No "Freedom Fighters", "Freedom Fighters 2" and "Sonic Freedom Fighters 2 Plus"?

Aren't we forgetting the de facto Sonic fighting game, ULTIMATE ROBOTNIK DUELS? I'm a Big Arm main myself, I tend to pivot towards grapplers. It has a bad matchup with the Egg Scorcher but luckily its players are rare.

I'm going to be honest I do not agree with you with the character movesets in Sonic Smackdown and TBH It really dosen't matter if games have online or not.

Have you tried downloading 3.1 from any sketchy links using a Virtual Machine?

Dong dong never die was also made in 2d fighter maker, also there was a pokemon fighting game made in it from (supposedly) old artists from the anime.

Uh... sonic: freedom fighters is a video game made in mugen 😐

I definitely agree that showdown is too similar to other fighting games , but it has slightly filled the void in my heart left by the lack of a MvC 4

I remember the fandom when I was younger absolutely hated Z, but I liked it, though in a different way than the original. If you look at it as a replacement for the original show then yeah, it's not perfect. But if you look at it as a magical girl show that's Powerpuff Girls themed? It understands the assignment. I also headcanon both Professors are separate people, but related, and this takes place either alongside or soon after the original. with Ken being the same age as the original PPG.

I mainly watch for Poochy/Peach. Such a cute little fella.

Ask and you shall receive! It's the final build I ever worked on some 10 years ago. czcams.com/video/yodjqFre_R8/video.html

Knowing so many people enjoyed my Unofficial SBLEN update is pretty inspiring. I'll definitely reupload the last version I worked on for all of you. I honestly hadn't realized the link died until very very recently.

Honestly I think the video is a smidge harsh on Smackdown. Not on the devs because they definitely deserve flack for their PR and I really hope this is a case of amateurs getting in over their heads and that they'll learn from it but on the game itself. Programming original movesets that would completely fit the characters is a lot to ask of a fangame team, especially considering from what I can tell, this was their first fully completed game. They likely were still learning the ropes of development and figured rather than being stuck spending hours and hours trying to figure out why a homing attack they're attempting to code is instead shooting someone off into the sky at mach 3 that porting movesets that at least fit the characters' personalities and vibe would probably be for the best. And really, this video kind of illustrates why a dedicated Sonic fighting game is so difficult to make and why we haven't seen even an official one since Sonic the Fighters. You'd need to implement a gameplay style that pays proper respect to the games with a feel that brings them to mind but can also work with traditional fighting game mechanics. Something like Dragon Ball works for fighters because really breaking it down, fighting games can be fast, frantic and flashy. You just dial it up a bit to embody Dragon Ball and implement dashing and Ki charging and you generally got it down. With Sonic? I don't know how you balance a homing attack while still having that same satisfying feel as the 3D games, how you make a boost attack work or even just implementing a flow. I mean maybe an arena fighter would be neat because then you could have slopes and springs but then there's the matter of how fast these guys can go, flight and gliding. Even Sonic Battle which got this mostly right struggled.

*Sonic Gather Battle is mentioned* A Noob Dissects: *meniacal laughter*

where tf is sonic smash flash

Any links for 3.1?

u mfs need timestamps!!!!!!!!!

How the hell do you get scared of a whole ass language?😂

Seeing as most of the comments are mentioning MUGEN games, I suggest you check out my MUGEN project Sonic Fighting Heroes: King of The Ring. The characters sprites are based off those from the Sonic Freedom Fighters MUGEN games, but completely repurposed into new characters. It'll be dropping by SAGE for the 2nd time this year, so be on the look out for it!

how has nobody tried to bypass the malware in SGB?

its called sonic battle mugen

Sonic gather battle looks like a cool game. Too bad the creator got salty over sprites they don’t even own.

I like that voice. SUBSCRIBE !!!

25:08 I don’t think allowing donations is bad. And from what I can remember with the Sonic Omens fiasco, Sega doesn’t mind fan projects getting support through patreon or whatever. As long as there aren’t anything locked away from you until you do donate.

Sad there's no coverage on Super Sonic Knockout. I remembered it from seeing the thumbnail, but good video regardless! It's also very lovely of you to preserve Lost Ending Neo. I truly think it had the potential to be outstanding.

Wasn't the last one the thing that got the creator sent to jail?

Does anyone remember a Sonic Fighting Fangame that was sprite based and worked kinda like a fast beat em up? It had really good sprite work too, you could even play as super Sonic as his own character and I think it primarily used Adventure Era music. Can’t remember its name.

you should checkout the sega vs capcom fangame, it has sonic as a playable character and it looks promising

To answer your question from 0:31, it's because making fighting games is HARD. There's so much you need to do to make it playable, and even more to make it actually feel good to play. When I initially saw Sonic Smackdown was an asset flip, I totally understood why they did that (even if my conclusion was 'well I can just play UMVC3'). Sonic Duel being a brawl modpack is fair. There's so much that goes into a single character. It's especially messed up because everyone who knows about gamedev will say to do art last but good animations are so integral to a fighting game feeling good to play.

at least, you didn't talk about that adult Sonic fangame that's technically a fighting game but way way WAY worse than you expect... ughhhh

Always thought sonic smackdown was a little too unpolished to take seriously as a “real” game. Big the cat reusing the fucking animal crossing villager’s idle animation from smash is WILD lol

MMZ ost bg music?? new sub, also insert "you missed fighters blitz" comment here haha (But fr its great!) edit: OH! also there's a veery new project called sonic chaos battle (IIRC), looks promising! but it's in a very early stage. as of now it's got 3 characters

Yeah something's wrong with Streak. I tried to suggest improvements to the game and he was like "@everyone NO SUGGESTIONS!!!!!!!!!!!", now we cant get updates of the game from other sites that're further than the Balan version??? If only the game had someone else to develop it. This guy is way too dickheaded. He doesnt even put out public updates anymore. Also it's just a thing on Itch that the site asks for a dono to download, but you can press "just take me to the download" at the top of the options

would you imagine my surprise when i see my brother in this video as the person who LITERALLY MADE 3.1 might ask him if he still has a copy of the game idk lmao

I swear this series should have gotten an anime arena fighter spin off just like ultimate ninja storm

oh i remember sonic gather battle so well. being an autistic kid online in the 2010s i had some odd interests, and 2 of them happened to be sonic and computer viruses. my virus fixation had already passed at that point, but i was extremely fixated on sonic, so you just know that sonic gather battle was something i absolutely ate up. i actually didn't know about it's full backstory till i watched this video, so thank you for including it here. i'd also like to mention some other tidbits of interesting info about it you didn't include, not too much, and very quickly: first off, the general search terms of "cheat" and "hack" weren't the only terms that would trigger the malware. there was one more, much broader term, being "mod". this meant that if you so much as had the game open while looking up a mod for a video game, or even something as general as a body mod, it would trigger the malware. also, another thing you didn't mention that i find really interesting is the fact the game was known to be vm aware. you couldn't run the game on a virtual machine, as the game would know, and instantly close itself. i believe someordinarygamers found a workaround to this in his video on sonic gather battle, but i had to have watched that video like 5 years ago at this point, so i wouldn't be able to remember if it was him or another youtuber who made a video about it. the solution i believe was to run it through something called a gaming vm, which i have never heard of up to and after that point, and so don't know anything about. so yeah, the whole thing is really interesting. unfortunately coverage of it isn't as vast as it is for viruses like wannacry, memz, or even gaming viruses such as rensenware, or creepy viruses such as msmajor. its super disappointing, because i bet there'd be more coverage on it and more people opening it up to see how it ticks if it just worked on vms.

Sonic Battle sucks. Sonic The Fighters is alright.

This was a great video, I'd love a part 2 (especially for some juicy Sonic Ultima coverage 👀)

Sonic Gather Battle was almost perfect, only thing holding it back was the creator and malware 😂

have anyone play sonic the fighters blitz ?

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