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I did 😂

Yeah, trial by 7 I missed mainly because it isn’t really used at all. The only two that I could find was King Maegor I and Ser Duncan the Tall. Even then that’s 100 years apart and 100 years before the start of the books. Knighthood I guess is an order in a sense but it’s not really one. It’s just an oath to uphold the qualities of a knight.

Every video. These treasonous plots are getting out of hand

@HouseofLore27 if anything, there is not enough plotting.

Woooo

Yeah, someone else kindly pointed this out. I did pin a comment correcting it I think. Just a brain fog moment

@@HouseofLore27 ah, I didn't see that.

They follow the same laws as the rest of Westeros (except Dorne), and have done for centuries. The Kingsmoot was stopped before Aegon the Conqueror and comes back only once after Balon dies, but only because Aeron Damphair doesn’t deem any of the heirs in succession fit to rule.

I did aswell, I don’t know how I let that slip. What I meant to say is that Rogare tried to crown Maegor’s heir not daughter. I’m sorry for that, must of had brain fog when writing that part of the script

Thank you. You might be a treasonous Blackfyre supporter but I’ll allow it

Treason is this man's middle name.. However that being said I would trust nobody else on the battlefield more than bittersteel right here! I would honorably fight by his side any day!

@HouseofLore27 actually ever one else Is Treasonous😄

@@Lord_Taron_Texas Thank you I hope you are well

@@aegorbittersteel2154 stop doing pretty damn good just working on my old heavy metal band project... And hating the fact that we have a flash flood warning again and tornado warning here in Texas. How the rivers and creeks and lakes are so full already if it busts off and floods a couple more inches s***'s going to get real nautical real quick LOL

Thank you, I admit I’ve skipped over a lot of his reign and life because it’s simply too much for me to do in a week, but I hope that it is enough for people to have a better understanding of him

@@HouseofLore27 no you didn't you touched on points that other content creators do not... They usually go over the same three or four things you know the him traveling around the dismissal of the law of the right to the Lord's first night and then his wife visiting the notch watching him creating roads across the kingdoms and also him fighting a couple of trial by combat, those are usually the same few things they cover and they just glaze over them

Lol that makes you the opening act and me the headliner! Hopefully that makes you laugh at least

Nice one man, good to see your really adding something of value to the platform

Thought I’d add to what you said, the hierarchy obviously has more sub divisions which I didn’t explicitly say but did cover, by placing high lords above the minor nobility, which were lesser lords then landed knights. Also with the succession laws bit, I contemplated talking about the Iron Throne succession but there’s no actual evidence in the books that it is definite, yes the fact that no Queen has ruled and that they have been skipped over might point you towards that but that’s more of a social isssue, with attitudes towards women in world, not with the succession laws. If you can find and tell me if it does explicitly says so then by all means, I’ll be happy to be corrected. This video is a simplified version of the Hierarchy and Succession laws, but it still covers everything, except the small minor details, but thanks for your comment nonetheless.

@@HouseofLore27 I welcome the opportunity of being open to explore this matter of succession and also I am happy to confirm that can indeed find such a source which comes from the Wiki of Ice and Fire (I know opinions differ on its use but I learnt a lot of lore from it and you did say to find a source). So based on what I found, I’ll post a direct quote from the page and also will post the link for you to see the rest of it. The source says as follows: “The agnatic principle laid down in the Great Council of 101 AC was slightly modified after the Dance of the Dragons. Thereafter, women came after all men in the Targaryen succession, i.e., women could only succeed if the entire male line of House Targaryen became extinct.” The source has much more to say on the subject of succession to the Iron Throne where the place of females in succession has been debated but ultimately that was the conclusion it came to: awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Iron_Throne#Succession

@@truetory6231 I read this on the wiki aswell whilst doing research for the video, and the reason I left it out entirely lies in what’s said in the middle of the quote you pulled, the fact it’s a semi canon source. At the moment, there is no 100% definitive answer so I’d rather leave it out of the video than potentially misleading a viewer. There really just isn’t enough information on the topic, and for a fairly simple overview of succession, it serves its purpose well

⁠@@truetory6231I was actually under impression that the Great Council didn’t decide anything when picking Viserys, perhaps I’m misremembering here but Jaehaerys was very careful with his word phrasing during the great council. The lords’ job during the Great Council was specifically to *advise* the king on choosing his successor, not to pick it. Jaehaerys made it clear that it was his choice to pick not them, and they couldn’t say anything against it because well *dragons.* Rival claims of The Dance of Dragons hinged on the conflict between those 2 things that Jaehaerys established, whether a king’s right to choose his successor superseded the laws of agnostic primogeniture.

​@HouseofLore27 for Targaryens prefering male-only succession, you have the example of Viserys II who became king after his nephew Baelor died despite his niece Daena (Baelor's sister) still being alive and well. Aegon III was also legally Aegon II's heir not because he was Rhaenyra's son but because he was Daemon's, since all of Aegon II's sons died, despite his daughter Jaehaera still being alive. Daughters are last ditch heirs when all Targaryen men died or were dispossessed. Which is how Robert's claim to the throne can be justified (since his grandma was a Targaryen, and all of Aerys's descendants were killed/exiled). This is also why Tommen's heir is Myrcella and not the dispossessed Stannis (who should legally be Tommen's heir based on precedent). This is also why Stannis had no problem naming Renly his heir (should he bend the knee) instead of Shireen.

for sure theres space for granulation

@@alexTorres-cs7co I’d say the difference between a knight vs a peasant or a knight vs a lord is more than granulation.

@@Hamilton-bm4qj seems like you didnt understand what i mean, i agree with you theres space for more granulation/more specific categories in between those in the vid, now you get it? damn dude

Yeah, this is the system I explained. A lords son inherits, then his children in order, then his siblings in order. If they have children then of course it adds more to the line of succession

And of course this was ignored by Tywin but that is only because Robert died and Ned was usurped making it null and void, otherwise I'm pretty sure Robert needed to revert the order or Tywin would have to go to court by law to answer for the crimes of his banner man

The hands power depends on both the king in question and how much political authority and influence the hand has , technically yes Ned is more politically powerful then tywin but that's just in name in reality tywin is far more powerful then Ned hense why so many people are so worried about his decision to try and punish tywin for his crimes because tywin is such a powerful lord and has so much influence pissing him off us dangerous to say the least, this happened a lot even in the real world several times in the past noble lords were more powerful then British/English kings .

I’ve got a similar idea on my list already, but thanks anyway 👍

Well no not really. Aegon and Rhaenyra are half siblings. The conflict is because Rhaenyra was named heir before Aegon was born, but traditionally when a son is born they are made heir. Big succession dispute but not a Daughter > Brother one

@@HouseofLore27 in other words the custom gives aegon the throne over rhaenyra, shes an exception, with viserys decree naming her against custom

@@alexTorres-cs7co Yeah, there’s a bit more to it than that obviously but that’s the essence of it

@@HouseofLore27 Also The Green's won the Dance with Dragons. So even if Viserys I was operating under succession laws of a different culture or changed the succession laws after the Dance with Dragons Targaryen succession would've been standardized with the Westerosi succession laws (Cognatic primogeniture) after the war. Cognatic Primogeniture was also upheld in The Great Council where Viserys I was chosen to be king over Rhaena. Knowing this one could say that there was never a legal precedent of primogeniture under Targaryen rule.

@@powaaaahhhhh5323 Yeah, I agree with you. I mean the Greens didn’t really win the dance of dragons. Yeah they did short term, but long term, the throne followed Rhaenyras line. It’s all very confusing and until we’re definitely told by GRRM or in one of the books, we’ll never know the true succession laws for the iron throne

Well no. If jon is a Targaryen like in the show (not confirmed in the books) and is the son of Rhaegar then Jon has a better claim than Dany. The line of succession would be Rhaegar, Aegon, Jon, Rhaenys, Viserys then Daenerys. (That is if most didn’t die during Robert’s Rebellion). At the start of the books and show, the Targaryen succession, if Jon was a Targaryen would be (F)Aegon, if he is a Targ, then Jon, Viserys and finally Dany.

​@@HouseofLore27no the top person is correct it's not a matter of Jon being a Targaryen it's a matter of his legitimatecy not his blood if he's a bastard as he should still be both thematically and logically based on westaros rules then no Dany would be over Jon because she's a legitimate Targaryen while Jon is a basterd .

This was something I was going to include in the video but couldn’t quite get it the script right for it. It’s officially male preference primogeniture and a female could potentially inherit, but people don’t like it to happen. Hence why both Rhaenys and Rhaenyra never become Queen. Simple answer is it’s only been males so far

I mean yeah, the proper way I should have said is that the King has the ultimate power, as long as he can control the lords, which can be seen in some of the Kings. It’s quite a confusing little topic though, because it varies depending on when and who you ask (I’m talking in lore) who has the most power as it changes a lot. Also I feel like in general, The King is regarded as the ultimate power.

@@HouseofLore27 You didn’t phrase it incorrectly, what you said is absolutely correct, I was not delivering criticism because the King is definitely the ultimate power in theory. Especially with dragons. I didn’t mean to sound like that guy who nitpicks everything. I am sorry if I sounded like that. A lot of the dynamics with Lords is mostly for plot because otherwise there isn’t a series.

Definitely, the most peaceful land ever where every lord agrees with each other and they get along just fine

Honestly, these Blackfyre talks are treasonous at the least. All Hail Tommen Baratheon, true born son of Robert Baratheon and King of The Iron Throne. That “Targaryen” pretender is a traitor

​@@HouseofLore27 OUTRAGEOUS

@@aegorbittersteel2154 😅

Thanks, appreciate it. My views are very good for my first few longform and I keep on growing so

I guess they wouldn’t be Targaryen Loyalists if they didn’t think Robert was a usurper

Yeah, honestly the turning point in the end of the Targaryen Dynasty.

Yeah. Was hoping to get all the theories and then I got about half way through writing it and just thought yeah no, I’ll do the rest another video. A lot of it I have glossed over because if I could talk about everything, the videos would be so much longer and way to much for me to edit in a week

@@HouseofLore27 oh yeah I understand that but I'm just saying like in the books and everything it's just glossed over the fact that you're going into it more is pretty awesome

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I agree

Tywin had already gained a lot. The mad kings first few years were actually peaceful when Tywin was pretty much running the realm. I believe Tywin was originally going to take out the Targaryens but Aerys felt he had too much power. Because Tywin originally wanted Cersei to marry Rhaegar but Aerys said Cersei is not good enough for rhaegar and he also named Jaime to his kingsguard out of spite to rob Tywin of his heir

You never cease to amaze me on how you can link everything to the Treasonous Blackfyres

@HouseofLore27 TREASONOUS?!?!!! OUTRAGEOUS the real treason is not supporting House Blackfyre🗡 Great video by the way.

He's not wrong though 😂

You say that like Blackfyres didn't have their crazies. I'm sure Maelys the Monstrous would've been a great king amirite? Sure it's only one guy out of the ten blackfyres we're aware of but 1/10 is probably a good rough estimate of the crazies among the Targaryens aswell. Frankly, it's probably lower among the Targaryens than the Blackfyres purely because we know so many more Targaryens to water the numbers down.

@BlitzkriegFeuerFrei as far as we know none of them were crazy except for King Maelys and one would think if they were even a little it would be mentioned to discredit their Rebellions plus Targaryens after Daeron aren't having a particularly stable time.