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Can we agree explorers/instincts are absolute bombers for a 7 speed? They have that stability sweet spot where they turn with enough speed but always have that stability hanging on so they don’t burn over. They also beat into great late flip/turnover discs too that stay reliable a very long time. Too good.

this is 100% where I was going wrong, I'll have to try and be more conscious of that from now on!

i hit my first ace with a hades. i will always have love for it.

I use 1 finger like Marwede. What do you think of that? I can throw about 380 forehand.

I would call 163 gram disc as a lighter disc but not light weight. I would say 155g or under is light weight.

Weird flight out of the Hades. Mine flipped nicely day 1, & beat in to like a -4 disc pretty quickly. My Hades has no dome whatsoever, & very little visible bottom plate. I found another Hades at 1 point, that wasn't nearly as flippy though. That 1 was more of a ''throw me flat, & see my turn'' type of disc. My flippy Hades demands a good amount of hyzer, & is rather bipolar. Capable of the most perfect flip to flat flips, & loooooong turnovers. But it might roll on me, if i fuck up royally. Thrasher seemed more reliable.

Without even watching yet, it won't be more overstable than Warhorse.

Power for drives. Fan grip for up shots.

Imho innova wraith for most amateurs will be a better choice.

I know you did a series looking at how weight affects flight and found that (at least with the discs you used then) weight did not have an impact. But… this seems to indicate that lighter weight is more under stable and that’s what I’ve found with my discs. Wadda ya think?

dude I love pizza wtf are you telling me to NOT have pizza??? 🍕

Is that Buckhorn?

Not true

I've been told they're called Starlite halo plastic. Had the same thing with last years big jerm tour series halo boss. 150g

...only 163? I just got a lightweight one at only 146g!!! it's AMAZING!!! sooo much control with it, love it!!

I only throw Bergs at the 1-2 speed, so call me a savage, but power grip it is

Good God I love Wraiths.

savage here. Whats up y'all?

I got a star wraith the other day and it flies excellent but very over stable for me, do you recommend trying methods to break it in or should i try a new disc

Musket from Latitude 64 is my go to for straight shots with a disc like this. Slightly less glide

Power gripping bergs like there is no tomorrow

are they halo star or halo champion destroyer?

Finding my wife in bed with our gardener was the real game changer for me but I'll try the new Destroyer for sure.

For some reason people keep thinking that Opto Saints are roller flippy out of the box. Not even close imo.

Not a hand model 😂

Jeremy needs to do an "in the bag" for the 2024 season. Enquiring minds want to know.....

picked up two night strike 3's recently and worth the $$. Bought a back up just in case

Just lost my ice berg wave on Loyce Harpe on hole 10.. broke my heart watching my A1 day one soar into the lake

Split gripppp

Everyone's grip is different. What matters is that you can throw it comfortably without it ripping out early or late.

Question. Ive played twice now with 2 different discs. First time everything went left to right. 2nd time everything went right to left, or flipped upside down and died...wtf is that about? All overhand btw. Thanks

Dude couldn't hit the same line twice walking in a circle

Then nails are how he defeated the cocaine habit

Me personally i get alot more of a stable/ predictable flight with a power grip. I will do a modified fan grip for soft and touchey upshots though.

I HAVE BEEN THROWING THAT EXACT SAINT FOR YEARS---THE NICE PART IS IS I LOSE I CAN BUY ANOTHER THAT FLIES EXACTLY THE SAME

I bag four craves in different weights and plastics. 2 glow eclipse craves (165 & 173) and 2 neutron in the same weights. The light ones are flippier brand new. I split grip and hyzer flip regularly. The heavy ones take longer to beat in but will take more forehand torque than the light ones no matter how beat in they are.

Have you tried the Vanish from Axiom yet? It's numbers are similar to these I think and I love it for an early turn but reliable fade. Both a positive and a negative about the mold is that it's one of the more inconsistent among the MVP/Axiom lineup that I've tried. Obviously you'd like it to be the same every time but the silver lining is I've found that I can bag a few of them in different plastics for different levels of early turn. They all pretty reliably fade at the end though.

Do you have a reason as to why the mod fan grip is better? Sounds kind of like you say it isn't as good without any reasoning.

The first few runs of ESP Hades were awesome, had some dome and god good turn but reliable fade too. Now they’re either overstable or flippy as all hell with no happy medium

Z Avengers are really nice for tailwinds or turnovers.

How do you throw it so far with so little effort?

Funny I was just working on this today.

Sounds like a musket to me. Missed opportunity to showcase the musket.

lol retire from professional disc golf without ever being a professional disc golf player. He's as much a professional disc golf player as a regular golf youtuber is a professional golfer. He never came close to being able to make a living playing disc golf.

I would have thought the anax was a good comparable

My Hades was MUCH floppier than that a while back. Might be more usable now

excellent reviews, however, you having a big arm, should also slow it down a little for us mere mortals... this way we, have a better idea of what the discs can do with slower arms... that would be greatly appreciated..

My hades has a flight path like that

I really like that Saint. I do have a preference for more of an arced right curve which comes back around and ends up in front of you though.

I've been developing my form at a decent rate this past week. A good throw for me glides, then does this c shaped turn when it lands. So I end up getting a little extra distance from the roll. Though, more importantly it is more of a controlled roll. I even landed on the top of a hill and the disk still rolled back around instead of down the hill. The disk is called River Retro Fairway Driver which is a 7 7 -1 1 made by Latitude 64.