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Nehru blundered by proclaiming in public that the Indian cabinet would decide about the future of cabinet mission plan of 3 federating units as agreed upon by jinnah. That was the end of keeping India as a federation short of a partition plan that emerged later

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If Dara Shikoh would've ascended to the throne instead of Aurangzeb history might have been different.

The British rule was achieved through division of religion by using Muslim and Hindus turning on each other from ordinary citizens and rulers for instance tippu sultan was fighting war on three front one led by British the other led by Muslim rulers and third front led by Hindu rulers at the end British achieved their objective by corruption?

Might be good to get a degree beyond WhatsAppU. 🤡

You will obviously have much more audience if you choose to speak Urdu.

Not just arrogance. Mogul encounter with Thomas Roe exposed stupidity that had been the hallmark of their rule. Worse, there are parallels between the Mogul rule and the military and civilian rules of Pakistan. The word DUFFER sums it up. Englishmen loathed dealing with the primitive Moguls. Nice discussion and insightful observations.

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Just like the Mughals didn't adopt the new technology of the printing press , In 1970s India , computers were banned in Indian Banks because it was feared that would lead to unemployment . That made banking transactions very slow and also impeded the economic growth . That changed after 1991 liberalisation and India is now the Fifth largest economy .

Wtf is south asia, its Indian subcontinent

Enjoyed the lecture

Biased to the core.

India is diabetic because of famines brought about by British...

Will the real players in the East India Company be identified, instead of terming them 'British'? Weren't the directors of EIC, banking families of a specific ethnicity? Didnt these people steal the gold looted from hindu temples by Tipu Sultan & establish the Bank of England & the Fed in America? Weren't these banksters lenders to the British Crown as well, thus controlling the colonial occupation by the EIC & the British Crown? Attributing the colonial occupation, genoicide n plunder of India to the 'British' is inaccurate n misleading. Pls idenity the real colonisers.

Important points underscored

The Hostile Natives was a British term which described the natives whom they encountered were overwhelmingly still very tribalistic and resorted to conflict by default. This is from them observing how often these tribes went to war against one another and often the natives courted the British for their military support be it in the form of firepower or weapons such as rifles. The anti British sentiments often came much much later.

If you had spoken it in Urdu it would have reached more people but maybe it was due to security reasons.

I dont think it is the mughal arrogance but instead the people who became important for their proximity to the Mughal rulers. The mughals were from central asia however their subjects were still from local population whether they had taken up Islam or stuck to their ancient traditions they were still the same. Infact the advent of Mughals into South Asia had caused the mughals to loose their central asian characteristics and become indianised, while that might appear a positive development politically and from the point of local people it was not destined to provide positive results for the Mughals themselves. This phenomenon of central asian and caucasian people coming down to South Asia and ultimately loosing out has probably repeated since time immemorial. From recorded history: 1. The indo europeans to the aryans to the aryanic people of south asia and possibly also the mongolian people. 2. The central asian kushans and hunas to the rajputs of south asia. 3. The persians 4. The turko mongolic Mughals. 5. The british. In retrospect the british probably had acted wisely by leaving the place when they lost power. After all things are not turning out positive inside their own places from mass immigration from south either.

Well one civilization/society which has more advanced Technology always defeats and colonises other which has lesser adhvance tech. These advancement of Tech comes from Progress of Society itslef in terms of its values ethics and morality like egalitarianism status of women and rationality. India faced numerous Invasion in ancient time from North west But all those who entered india couldn't won much more than some areas of North west that also temperorily. Those invaders got Mixed into indian population bcoz india. Society was more advanced in terms of Ethics and Tech than the invaders. Indian society started to stagnate , rot started after fall of very Long reign of Gupta Empire in 600 AD . In same time Rome also fell . Both fell to the Huns of Central Asia. As rome declined so was the Trade of india. Exports decline and import of gold became zero. That led to DEURBANISATION of india . Cities declined as there was no trade or work left for craftsman artisans traders etc . PPL run towards villages (happen during COVID too) . Ruralisation of india happened. Though the villages became self sufficient in India . With all this Caste system turned into Jaati system which became rigid , condition of women Declined already during Gupta era . Now every village had PPL of various jaatis to provide all the services inside the village itself. Mobility of PPL totally stopped. After Gupta's There was No strong Empire emerged in North which could move india ahead. North India was fragmented politically. This decline in societal values also led to stagnation of Technology for india. During same time in Arab Moslems emerged under Mohammad who reformed the Arabian society according to values of those days. This was renaissance of Arab who passed this Islamic zeal to many tribes around them. Mongol and Turks were creating havoc in Central Asia also got this Islamic zeal .due to constant wars whole Central Asia moved quite ahead in war technology. Finally invasions started in India and the stagnant rotten Indian civilization of 10th ce was defeated by over Zealous Turks Afghans and Mongols. Persia was also defeated and converted to islam . Though they ended this Arab colonisation unde safvids by evovling Shia islam which had all the Ancient Persian values and culture. Finally under Mughals specially Akbar the great india started to develop new Composite culture . Hindus society which was totally backward due to its superstitions caste system was Forced to change by Mughals. What did Mughals did wrong , well they also started to Look inwards kept fighting wars to expand and they never able to move beyong Deccan. NW always remain a thron for Mughals sometimes Afghans sometimes uzbeks kept raiding and attacking . Massive amount of Treasury was lost to these wars . Indian population masses which were lower and OBC hindus always remain in threat of battles , religious opression both by Hindu upper caste zamindar and Moslem ruling nobles and zamindars. Basically during whole Mughal era Masses didn't achieved any Peace so that any progress can be made. Mughaliya elite themsleves remained in forever Enjoyment of Massive Harams , sharab kebab etc other thing which they did was to extract taxes and fight wars. But these Elites also built personal KARKHANAS which use to produce high quality stuff means for Ashrafiya class but also exported . It earned huge Gold for india. But where the gold went. Well it ended up in the personal coffers I'd these Mughaliya elite. Inequality in India must have been extreme, never found ever in history. As India was so Rich but masses were facing famines as Peter Mundy tells during construction of tajmahal. So all this New Rot in the society introduced by Mughals led to decline of their tresury . We know How auragnzeb time number of mansabdars was Unbearable and taxes wasn't enuf to run the empire and be anyway kept fighting war. Only thing he did was to gather worthless Ulemas and pay them lavishly to create fatwa e alamgiri , again a worhtless book 🙄. He spent huge sum there. That's why after his fall Mughals instantly declined. British didn't replaced Mughals but they replaced fragmented indian political scene where Marathas dominated . And Brits was far far ahead of india due to rennaissance in Europe. Why hindus Started to dominate under Brits , well it wasn't hindus but the upper caste Hindus who served as small zamindar , scribe etc under Mughals. They realised their ancestoral mistake and with help of british and Missionaries started to reform hinduism. They adopted many Judeo Christian values into hinduism. Gandhi was a Christian in Hindu image itself. Today hindus after crossing a threshold of reforms will keep rising. Indian Moslems lot of whose ancestors were lower caste Hindu and adopte islam for benifits will loose overall. Until reforms happen and Pakistan and Indian Moslems adopt values of rennaissance in Europe they will remain a stagnant society and nation

This is very informatic, analytical, and unbiased. As an Egyptian, I wish all the disscution between both Pakistani and indians would be in this manner....

can you use better Mic or edit your sound better?

My forefathers were never under Mughal rule. We left Kashmir 1,000 years ago, moved to Southern India upon invitation of the Tamil Kings and then to Kerala 300 years ago by invitation from the Nair chiefs. Mughal history is unrelatable to me.

Mughals themselves were also colonisers of Bharat.

Pakistan can never ever unite as it contains different ethnicities, culture which are more superlative factor than religion. In reality no one demanded of asked for PAKISTAN, only a creation by British keeping Jinnah on front to protect Biritish inerests

What was the stand of Jinnah on the Khilafat movement ?

11:13 " religion , culture , language , art , music and so on makes a minority a separate entity " But Punjabis , irrespective of religion have different language , culture , art and music from Bengalis , again irrespective of their religion . A Punjabi Muslim Hindu or Sikh would grow up with Bhangra dance or folk story of Heer Ranjha which a Bengali Muslim or Hindu would be unfamiliar with . Bengalis , irrespective of religion , grow up with Rabindra Sangeet which Punjabis would be unfamiliar with . Similarly , a Kashmiri Muslim and Hindu would grow up with Kahwah and all it's cultural significance while a Malayali Muslim and Hindu would be unfamiliar with it despite being a Tea growing region . We can go on about Sindhis and Biharis , about the Pashtuns and the Tamils , how the Hindus and Muslims in these regions are more similar to each other than their co-religionists in other regions . A country founded by dividing society won't become a functional society

Could somebody answer: How a religious fanatic military general drunk on outdated murderous Jihadi ideology of Islam transform the Muslims of Jinnah’s Pakistan? Millions of Muslims happily courted black beard. Millions of women happily covered their faces and became faceless. Renouncing the modern industrial world and yet contributing nothing in return. No industrial sector. No export. A bankrupt economy. “Hell is empty and all the devils are here.”

This theory of Dr. Jallal has been debunked. Asad Rahims article in Dawn is one such place. Please learn to go where reason takes you.

Why was India 's Independence Preponed from 1948 to 1947 ? Why did Mountbatten suddenly declare that the Partition of India would take place with inexplicable haste on August 15, 1947, almost a year ahead of schedule? ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,, ,

Jinnah was british agent , propogating british interest and letting its own priple die in violence for british interest.

It's a black hole 🕳 like Somalia and few other countries no future

We need to educate our youth to understand the sociopolitical and politicisation of bureaucracy and acquaintance equals to powerful institutes. Poor men are lost 😭💔 and no one bothering to overcome the poverty by empower in Agriculture water reservoir etc. Everything is mismatched and top positions are missing power. No one asks their leadership to fulfill the demand of the national 😢. They want to destroy our society and specifically our army. May Almighty Allah help us all to come over the poverty and become tolerant prosperous national soon In-shah-Allah

Nice work

you are lying what soharwardi done in calcutta you should also tell it

From day one, Pakistan embarked upon an authoritarian government. Jinnah used his powers as Governor General dismissed the elected Congress government in KP & installed a tyrannical Muslim league government led by a sinister CM Qayyum Khan a Congress turn coat who carried a witch hunt against a non violent khudai Khidmatgar workers killing & torturing them to join Muslim league under orders of George Cunningham the British governor So much for independence! From one disaster to another it has been lurching with the cruthes of USA that has used its establishment to further its strategic interests in this region...its hardly surprising that an imperial project of partition went wrong..

" the British had questioned the wisdom of carving out a state that would have to pay the same amount for defence with far less economic resources " This was a practical and realistic question that was ignored by the founders of pakistan for which the coming generations would have to pay.

Excellent content! Well done.

Mixing Religion and Politics is Suicidal for Democracy Is it any wonder pakistan never has seen Democracy?

I think this is a simplistic narrative about the partition plan & uncompromising attitude of jinnah vs the Congress..

It is interesting that While most Pakistanis do knot know the denial of Right of Return to refugees from Pakistans, they would support it for regugees in Palistine today

If theargument of Jinnah et al was that world had seen the excesses of Capitalism and Communism (2 Cs) and so there was need for Islam to show a new way; then the counter argument would be that World had also seen the excesses of Isamic way (that proverbially lasted for 37 years) much before (so kinda seen and forgotten) the two Cs. With benefit of hindsight and global Islamic experience, it ultimately seems to boil down to the failure of Islam to have the kind of reformation that all major ancient religions have had and move on with changing times (and inter-related Globe) that have progressed towards Secularism and Democracy. N.B. In prely Indian context do not forget the personal rivalry between Jinnah (a senior on Indian scene) and Gandhi (a new kid on the block arriving from Soth Africa).

Interesting however its skewed in favour of jinnah

Actually Jinnah Sb respectfully played well but unfortunately fixed in the end. He had to accept and prosperous opportunists were 😢 in majority so despite being honest and hardworking he could not manage the game and Congress being very close to British took maximum benefit.

Though I don't agree, unfortunately our society is full of nepotism and fraudulent people at all levels. I am of the view that the feudal system becomes intolerant. Jinnah Sb was not accepted by top positions who wanted to get power gradually Ayub Khan took benefits and then Zia uplifted even retired people and Musharraf Sb respectfully removed political scenarios. All political leaders were punished unfortunately we all forgot that we will die. May Almighty Allah help Pakistan 😢😢😢😢

Please read" India Wins Freedom" for what is correct. INC had accepted the Cabinet Mission Plan. Nehru backed out later.

2:44 " the 1937 elections destroyed the foundations upon which Jinnah had built his strategy " Oh Bhai , that was the verdict of the PEOPLE , the PUBLIC who cast their votes in favour of their preferred candidates . Respect the will of the AWAM instead of using negative words like " destroyed " 2:55 again you are using negative words like " FULL BRUNT " for a democratically elected government ? Is it any wonder you don't have Democracy in your country because when the party opposite to your beliefs wins the election , you can't accept it as the Wish of the people ? Sir , your anathema towards the Democratic process is clearly showing

I hope my comments don't get deleted but this video shows how why there is no Democracy in pakistan . Because the founding party of pakistan were finding out ways to circumvent the Democratic process .

7:31 but if you want to be recognised as equal to the Congress , then get the mandate of the people , get their votes , win elections . Muslims are not voting for the Muslim league in the Muslim majority provinces so you should focus on that rather than have Delusions about your self importance

3:45 but that is how Coalition Politics works : in return for my support , you will grant me something in return . at 2:36 you mention Jinnah was aiming for forming coalition with the Congress . Wouldn't He have demanded similar things in return for support ? Just because the shoe is on the other foot , it becomes immoral ?

1:25 " how divided the Muslims of Bengal were " They are " divided " because they didn't vote for your preferred party ?? RIP common sense