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TEMU Is TRASH (and so was their Response to Our Exposé)
With gamified shopping and low low prices, TEMU has quickly become the biggest ultra-fast fashion powerhouse. But it's not just fast fashion, it's every product you can think of. Literally!
So how unsustainable and unethical is TEMU? Why do people keep shopping their cheap throwaways? And what can we actually do about it?
We go deep into the major issues with this business, how they responded with blatant greenwashing to the article we published on SJ about their practices and what our response was.
00:00 Intro
01:02 What is TEMU?
02:30 How Cheap Are TEMU Products?
03:50 How TEMU Gets You to Buy Buy Buy
05:18 Who is Behind TEMU
06:38 Is TEMU a SCAM?
08:45 TEMU's Response to our Exposé
10:25 TEMU's Sustainability
13:25 TEMU's Ethics
14:35 The Undeniable Appeal of TEMU
16:10 Outro
Resources:
www.sustainablejungle.com/sustainable-fashion/is-temu-fast-fashion
www.cnn.com/2023/04/02/tech/china-pinduoduo-malware-cybersecurity-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html
www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/tech/temu-shopping-app-us-popularity-intl-hnk/index.html
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-27/pinduoduo-app-malware-detailed-by-cybersecurity-researchers?sref=IIP4JEyu
www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/tech/china-google-pinduoduo-malware-app-intl-hk/index.html
www.wired.com/story/temu-is-losing-millions-of-dollars-to-send-you-cheap-socks/
www.fashiondive.com/news/temu-shein-temporary-restraining-order/689882/
www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2023-04/Issue_Brief-Shein_Temu_and_Chinese_E-Commerce.pdf
www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/25/pinduoduo-us-labor-practices-worker-conditions
apnews.com/article/temu-shein-forced-labor-china-de7b5398c76fda58404abc6ec5684972#
www.theinformation.com/articles/u-s-lawmakers-demand-temu-shipment-ban-over-forced-labor-concerns
So how unsustainable and unethical is TEMU? Why do people keep shopping their cheap throwaways? And what can we actually do about it?
We go deep into the major issues with this business, how they responded with blatant greenwashing to the article we published on SJ about their practices and what our response was.
00:00 Intro
01:02 What is TEMU?
02:30 How Cheap Are TEMU Products?
03:50 How TEMU Gets You to Buy Buy Buy
05:18 Who is Behind TEMU
06:38 Is TEMU a SCAM?
08:45 TEMU's Response to our Exposé
10:25 TEMU's Sustainability
13:25 TEMU's Ethics
14:35 The Undeniable Appeal of TEMU
16:10 Outro
Resources:
www.sustainablejungle.com/sustainable-fashion/is-temu-fast-fashion
www.cnn.com/2023/04/02/tech/china-pinduoduo-malware-cybersecurity-analysis-intl-hnk/index.html
www.cnn.com/2023/02/16/tech/temu-shopping-app-us-popularity-intl-hnk/index.html
www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2023-03-27/pinduoduo-app-malware-detailed-by-cybersecurity-researchers?sref=IIP4JEyu
www.cnn.com/2023/03/21/tech/china-google-pinduoduo-malware-app-intl-hk/index.html
www.wired.com/story/temu-is-losing-millions-of-dollars-to-send-you-cheap-socks/
www.fashiondive.com/news/temu-shein-temporary-restraining-order/689882/
www.uscc.gov/sites/default/files/2023-04/Issue_Brief-Shein_Temu_and_Chinese_E-Commerce.pdf
www.theguardian.com/technology/2022/aug/25/pinduoduo-us-labor-practices-worker-conditions
apnews.com/article/temu-shein-forced-labor-china-de7b5398c76fda58404abc6ec5684972#
www.theinformation.com/articles/u-s-lawmakers-demand-temu-shipment-ban-over-forced-labor-concerns
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Does it concern you that Starbucks cups lids can plastic containers all their food comes in etc seems to be as much garbage as temu and the Dollar tree? Genuine question I'm honestly asking cuz I don't know the answer to it but I feel like if I ask stuff people will attack me so I hope I don't get attacked for asking this
the ads are still in my mind, this annoying I'm shopping like a billionaire song aaaa
So no to stailess steel and aluminum pans thst last forever, but yes to non stick pans that will only last 2yrs? đ€Ą
Buy Cheap, buy twice. Actually, buy 10 times. #Idiocracy
Reusable toilet paper đmight as well use wipes n reuse them
Ive bought a few times but the quality alone has stopped me. Rough fabrics, cheap plastics...and I know it's all full of chemicals. And Im not necessarily a "green head". The ironic part, is many of the clothes and shoes are knockoffs of Amazon and Sheinđ”âđ« That speaks volumes!! Like how are u duping the dupers
All these tech companies are focused on collecting data and making money by selling it to anyone willing to pay. So if the buzz is "China has your data!" itâs already too late to start worrying about that. Data breaches occur all the time, and even if your information hasnât been stolen and sold by some tech company, itâs usually not too difficult to find on the dark web. Recently, there were some significant data leaks from hackers targeting National Public Data, numerous medical billing companies, and health insurance firms. Essentially everyone in the US ended up with their Social Security numbers, addresses, phone numbers, and health records exposed. Digital privacy is essentially a myth.
It isnât shameful to have shopped at forever21 or primark. Everyone should shop at the best possible place they can afford. When I was at college, the only place I could afford was Primark and I shopped twice a year for some clothes. I couldnât really afford the clothes from Primark either to be honest. Sustainable was what I made it, I am sure thereâs still T-shirts knocking about in a box somewhere from my college years. I wore the clothes until they were falling apart and even then they became pyjamas instead of thrown out. The difference also was i shopped in store and only what I needed. Temu encourages shopping for every random thing ever and clothes etc have tested positive for lead and arsenic. I have noticed these days that the quality on a lot of clothes from Primark has changed with the prices going up - in good and bad ways. The basics are no longer as good of quality, but the more fashionable clothes have improved. I still buy their pyjamas. Otherwise, I just choose brands based on fit, quality of materials and construction, fashion longevity (aka classic styles) and of course sustainability practices. I can afford to now.
The irony! I click on the video and the ad is temu! Lolđ first tome watcher as well!
If care about the Environment, a Fair Living Wage, you believe in SUSTAINABILITY then you would NEVER shop online. The same people who shop online while flexing their wealth also shop in Walmart which is Canada's and The United States of America's largest legal slave labour employer. I have unsubscribed to anyone pushing Shien, Temu under no circumstances should anyone who claims to care about Human Rights or the Environment ever promote these services.
There's no such thing as ethical commerce with China. I have to say that this video was actually surprisingly uplifting in a way, it was nice to hear different ways that people can avoid relying on these dangerous and environmentally unsound businesses, and kind of reassuring to hear that governments are actually trying to take action against them finally.
It's kind of amazing how basically every e-commerce business in China is exactly the same: platform that relies heavily on a massive blitz of false advertising, sells cheap knockoff products that use stolen IP, hazardous materials, and slave labor, and embeds malware/spyware in their app and website. That basically describes Temu/Pinduoduo, Alibaba/Aliexpress, Shein, Wish, Tiktok, and now its infected Amazon, Etsy, and eBay as well. Every one of them makes another argument for decoupling.
Slow down lady
Temu takes advantage of an old shipping discount for developing countries which makes shipping small items affordable. so they don't pay normal shipping costs. and they use slaves, or basically slaves to keeo manufacturing costs down. They are still operating below cost to get market share, though.
I've never shopped at Temu, but one of my employees is seriously hooked on it. What for me is more disappointing is the vast number of dropshippers who have taken over Etsy. It used to be a great place to get handmade gifts for loved ones, but it's hard to find anything handmade anymore.
I know! As I mention in the video, I run a small upcycled handmade-to-order business on Etsy and the platform is becoming so riddled with dropshippers that us actual small artisans are really suffering for it. And now with Etsy's new algorithm change starting next month, it's only going to penalize small shops and reward big dropshippers even more. So sad and disappointing.
This was a prine example of andertisers shoving something at me untill i activly hated it.
I have never liked them. I have gone on there once or twice, never got the app. I dislike the flashy-flashy stuff on their site. I have to say though, their marketing approach is quite good. They use the principle of variable reinforcement which is the same thing that makes gambling so addictive. My husband gave them a go once, but I haven't and won't.
I buy craft stuff from Temu and itâs awesome. Absolutely brilliant, inexpensive, and they have so much variety. As someone on a low income theyâre an amazing find.
I am in the middle of cleaning out my oldest sisterâs house. She died suddenly at age 72. She lived in a 560 square foot home. Another huge thing to ask yourself is, âdo I really want to force my family to wade through all this cheap crap when Iâm gone?â I loved my sister to bits, but I am not so crazy about her 40 wool felt berets, her four sets of china, her seven 2-quart pots (WHY???), and her innumerable gew gaws and knick knacks, all stuffed into this tiny space. Every time I take another carload to the thrift store, I realize that eventually this all winds up in the bottom of the ocean . . . đąđąđą No better inspiration to stop buying shit than the experience of cleaning out a deceased loved oneâs home.
are you able to do a garage sale inetead? less likely to just get thrown away( the way donation stores do). also if there is anything useful you can donate to local causes that give to families/struggling individuals.
So the reason why these products are cheap in Temu, is because Temu force the sellers to sell below the cost of making the products as Temu tries to appeal to customers. The sellers of course can't keep up with the extremely low profit margins that could kill their businesses...so the quality of products are forced to be lowered hence broken items or items that will break easily. And it gets worse from there, as Temu punish sellers for any returned item with a higher debt amount (about 5 times + 1000 yuan) compared to the price Temu sets these items. You would think that missing parts are the fault of Temu sellers, but all the required parts are usually packaged in a box by sellers which Temu separates the parts and categorized according to their system. Any return because of missing parts are also charged onto the sellers. Items not sold within the time limit, every item gets a 500 yuan fine to sellers. After 7 days the items are destroyed without sellers' consent. As for what percentage Temu gets from sellers...this is actually unknown as Temu sets the prices and sellers don't see the final amount of sold items and final transaction amount.
So it's basically Amazon's even more evil twin?
That's pretty much our take on the matter!
a few weeks ago, the Temu app randomly downloaded on my phone without me giving permission or anything. I uninstalled it right away, but given that it installed randomly, and also knowing how shady the company is, I'm terrified some spyware or something is left on there....
As a fellow sustainability content creator, i love supporting other channels! Itâs good to see more and more brands that have conscious packaging and ingredients being given time in the limelight. If anyone is interested, i review sustainable beauty on my youtube channel and i would love to have you check it out â€
People have weird objections to Temu, especially Americans. Itâs just Amazon with one less middleman⊠and this chick judging things as being tacky and ick with her wilting vase of flowersđ€·đ»ââïž whatever
Seems pretty reasonable to have objections to forced labour though.
@@BecPlumbe do you worry as much about the working conditions of the people who make the stuff you buy in Walmart or nordies or off Amazon? Or pretty much anywhere else. Same thing, same places. Amazon even exploits their American workers, American workers on the whole have awful conditions and benefits
â@@karenl8837 Calling out Temu doesn't make Amazon the good guys here. If Louis Rossmann is right, Amazon also sells cheap junk that doesn't work properly (he tested fuses and crimp connectors).
Not to mention, China has a big market for selling dupe items. So you can't really trust if the items are the real thing
A few FYI's--a lot of the sellers on Temu are selling the exact same products on Amazon. The price difference is due to Amazon having highly inflated charges to sellers. AND to make it worse, Walmart is actually selling through Temu. Someone I know bought a coffee table through Temu and it ended up being drop shipped from Walmart! Perhaps the better way to look at all of this is just to QUIT BUYING THINGS YOU DON'T NEED PERIOD!
A great summary! That's awful though. I had no idea Walmart and Temu were working together now :/
@sustainablejungle neither did we! She out of the blue got the tracking information by a text from Walmart and sure enough, when it arrived, it was one of their private label furniture pieces! đ€Šââïž
Walmart does a lot of fulfillment for chinese brands that sell on their site
â@munaali840 that too. But this was an item purchased on Temu. So they are all scratching each other's backs so to speak.
@@flohough1870 basically if a Chinese brand sells on walmart with walmart fulfilment walmart will also deliver to sales from other stores eg Temu, Amazon, Tiktok shop. Amazon is offering similar services to chinese sellers
I used to buy from temu pretty often. I quit buying from them because I realized how wasteful it is. So much plastic, and the products are poorly packaged and end up getting to you broken, warped, the wrong size, etc. I was throwing out so many things because they are hoping that we'll say "oh well it was only a dollar I'll buy a new one" and into the landfill it goes. I've gotten some nice things from temu here and there that I still use, but I don't plan to ever shop there again.
Thanks so much for sharing your experiences with them! I think that's probably a great way to sum up the platform: Yes, you might get some useful and even nice things from it, but that number is probably going to pale compared to the amount of junk you get.
I love temu! Iâm sick of uppity white KARENS making fear mongering videos trashing them.
Agreed on the temptation. I'm pretty much good with avoiding cheap polyester clothing, because it just makes me sweat and feel icky. Also would never buy stuff like a knockoff Stanley cup, as there's no guarantee it would be safe to use, and also I don't see any point in the Stanley cup mania. However I decorate my planner with stickers and washi, and both Wish and Temu offer like 100 stickers for very little money. They have nice designs - probably stolen - so I've deffinitely been tempted. I also assume stickers wouldn't be such a huge health hazard, as you handle them fairly briefly. What stopped me from ordering were the shipping costs on Wish, and then I started to also think how overwhelming it would be with a huge load of stickers, but how many of them I'd really be using? So I figured buying locally from small businesses and artists can give me exactly what I want to use, and despite being able to purchase less stickers, there's a chance a lot in the bunch of 100 would go to waste anyway, or I'd need to sell them, which is always a hassle.
I'm also a crafter so those were the things that tempted me, too! Their price on embroidery hoops (my main hobby) is insane but like you, I just had to tell myself that I have plenty of hoops to last me for at least another year of projects. And at the rate I use them, I can easily afford to buy better, more ethically sourced ones when I do need more. Thanks so much for sharing your thoughts!
very good video. And one of the fewest which concentrates on something else besides temu app and its dangers. I mean, there are people who never shop from their phone, and on pc they cant harm you, only environment. But this is the first time I hear about force labor.
Hi mate. Iâm trying to find a better alternative to heat shrink wrap to pack plant based disposable plates. I do not want to use plastic shrink film. Would you please recommend what would be a better eco-friendly alternative? Is bioplastic like PLA the only option we have available at the moment?
Many products on Amazon are also made in China, and take weeks to arrive and I have noticed the same items on Temu. Should we avoid these listings as well, or is it safe to purchase from them? I have a concern that Temu may be collecting our personal information, as I was restricted on Instagram for nearly a month after expressing this concern in a comment on a Temu advertisement on Insta.
In my opinion, yes, avoid Amazon as well. Buy as few cheap garbage as possible.
This video must be for people that donât understand nuance, because I just kept saying duh every time he stated something
Were should i re sell things?
We have a whole video on our 5 favorite resale sites. You can access it here: czcams.com/video/f3PuaoXa4sg/video.html
Great information here, with a Temu ad ironically underneath. Also, your speaking speed here is perfectly normal and, if anything, on the slow side (and great cadence for listening).
Thank you so much for that! (And UGH to the Temu ad- I wish CZcams gave creators license to control what kinds of ads they show on their videos...)
Itâs interesting, the appeal is limited for me because Iâve seen the low quality that comes from sites like this- is it a good deal if it ends up being garbage? On top of that, it really freaks me out that theyâre selling things with batteries in them - lithium ion battery fires are really serious and a super big hazard.
Agreed it's definitely not a good deal if it ends up being garbage, but I think there are differences here depending on what you're shopping for. Some products are just inherently less prone to breaking and have more longevity. For instance, poorly made clothing won't stand up to more than a couple of wear, but say, a mug, would still likely be comparable in durability as a more expensive one just by nature of the materials. So in some respects, I get the appear for items like that but agreed, there is absolutely zero inventive to buy things like fashion and electronics that you know just aren't going to last more than a year at best. Again, not me suggesting we buy these things from Temu! Just understanding the appeal for some types of things.
There's so much danger in these knockoff products that it's terrifying. I genuinely doubt there's anything they sell that's lead-free, as you said those lithium batteries are a fire waiting to happen, most of the cheap electronics have power adapters that will catch fire or cause dangerous shocks.
Interesting video! Subscribed đ Also, to add to the sins of Temu, they listed something as knitted when it's pretty clear it's crochet... đSorry, I couldn't help myself.
Worst part about that is that while we have figured out how to automate knitting, crochet is always done by hand. Someone was paid basically nothing to handmake that
@@regiergal Yes! when you add the material and the details and time needed to make this, and you pay $6.18 for it, they're probably getting paid less than $1 to make it.
Hahaha I don't knit or crochet, but as a fiber artist of other sorts (I hand embroider) I appreciate you pointing out the distinction đ
@@sustainablejungle I love embroidery too! I call myself multicraftual. I hope you didn't take it as criticism, it just jumped out at me because the two crafts are always being mixed up! And I suspect I have pedantic tendencies... đ
Good content, but you really need to do something about your setup. What kind of table is this and why is so high? Are you sitting on a child's chair or why are you so low? That is weirding me out and I spend so much time trying to figure out if you're sitting on a low sofa peeking over a dining table, that it's hard to follow the content. Oh, and please, don't talk so fast. Give people a chance to process ....
Hi there, thanks for your thoughts and tips. I actually live in a tiny house, so I am quite literally limited to these two pieces of furniture (you're 100% correct that this my sofa and my kitchen table) because I have no others in my house. Perhaps I'll put a pillow under me next time!
you can change the speed in the settings and put it on 0,75 or 0,5.
great video.
Thank you so much!
Why do people on CZcams channels talk so fast?
Apologies! Believe it or not, this is me making marked effort to slow myself down and I've made tons of progress since I first started. I'm a very fast talker naturally and being in front of a camera always tends to make people a little nervous which is why it's so common among CZcamsrs. I'll keep trying to improve in this respect!
you can adjust the speed of the video in settings and put it on 0,75 or even 0,5.
@@sustainablejungle i personally think your talking speed is absolutely fine and your research is great. (Funny enough I watched this video as I watch almost all videos on youtube on 1,5 speed and it wasnt too fast for me )
And here I am , speeding up the video x2 cuz I am a fast talker myself and sheâs going a bit slow for me đ
Hahaha I fully appreciate this comment because I'm the type of person who listens to audiobooks and podcasts on at least 1.5 speed so I feel you!
Itâs just capitalism in action.
You look tiny next to that huge flower display in the foreground.
It really makes me angry when parents buy childrens toys from there. They have no idea what is in those toys and whether they're safe. It's negligence
Great point! It's one thing if people are assuming the risks and buying things for themselves, but children have no say nor the self awareness to second guess the safety of their toys.
Yea. I wouldn't be surprised if lots of things have lead or other substances in then.
So true!
â@@8honeybunnie8The German channel Igor's Lab bought some things some time ago. Nothing for children as far as I remember, but I think one part contained arsenic.
Pet toys/supplies too, they sell so many things that will literally kill your pets if you use them.
i got a temu ad on this video đ
What an awful kind of irony :/ If only we could control what ads CZcams shows on our videos!
Me too!
At least it wastes their money to advertise here!
I mean, the app permissions ALONE should be a deterrent, it can access ALL your info and you have to agree to those permissions to download it. Gross.
So scary. That's why I refused to download the app even for research purposes for this video. Desktop on a secure browser only for me!
I went to TEMU once. I didn't like the garbage-y splash page. I have never been back. I do not engage in "app" downloading to buy things . . . or, anything really. I am typing from my desktop. If I can't use my desktop I am really-really not interested. Something that you mentioned near the beginning troubles me, though. I would guess that you live in a city? Where I live, Amazon is the place to buy almost everything we need including some foods. There is nothing nearby. I buy produce, meat and dairy at the grocers. Everything else must be purchased via AMZ. So, unless you are buying my groceries, please lay off with the "sustainable" jargon.
Actually, it is quite the opposite. I live in the middle of nowhere in Wyoming, 4 hours away from any kind of city. I'm not trying to shame people for buying from Amazon (I do it for select things, because like you, I simply can't find them locally). Amazon has unfortunately become almost a necessity for many folks. I was mostly making the comparison to Amazon because most people are aware of how terrible they are from an ethical and sustainability standpoint, even if we still need to rely on them for specific things. Sustainability isn't about being perfect. It's about being better in ways we can. For me, that means I unfortuantely have to buy things from Amazon, but I just try to make an effort to do so only when it is truly a necessity and not purely a matter of convenience. So sorry if it seems like I was judging folks for shopping there!
I googled under sink organizer because I needed one, got an ad for one on Temu for âŹ35, looked good and was just what I was looking for so added it to my cart. Then I clicked on to a few other things to look around and I guess because they thought I had moved on I got a spin to win and was confused, clicked spin and got a 97% off coupon??? I was like uhh ok thanks I guess, went to pay for the item which was now about a euro only to be told they have a âŹ10 minimum spend, so I then had to find 2 small kitchen gadgets I didnât need to bring it up to >âŹ10. I found this hilarious because I was happy to pay âŹ35 for the item originally and now I spent only a third of the amount and ended up with two shitty things I didnât need (the under sink organizer was actually good quality and still use it)
I think what you said about acknowledging that we want that garbage, even though we know it's garbage, made with probably slave labor, is a healthy thing to do. Funnily enough, it's easier to create lasting change without guilt and shame.
We so agree and that's such an important sentiment! Our motto when it comes to all things sustainable living is "progress over perfection". Ultimately, we're all human and imperfect, and if try to be perfect, it's so much easier to get discouraged and quit trying to be better altogether.
informative and entertaining video. underrated subscribed.
Welcome! We're so happy to have you here!
Its so true! Temu is spam trash. It reminds me of the older sites that basically seemed like the same thing like Wish and Dealdash. And they got people to download their app so much by spreading "rewards" for downloading the app. Also this video seems like it should have at least 100x the number of views it has.
Yeah, Thought it looked fishy!
"Shop like a millionaire." Just by the design of their app alone, it says a lot about it. You can buy some cheap things where quality is not important but when it is, better look elsewhere.