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Me after i watch a dunning-kruger video: I now know all about the dunning kruger effect and how to avoid it! ... *wait a minute*

They should rename it Mount Trump.

No one who uses the term has bothered to read the research paper which coined it. In effect, it describes those who use the term.

Well it seems that they are trying to find how we are unaware of our own blind spots in our knowledge. When faced with those uncertainty we either assume that we are right way too much or we assume we are wrong way too much. Man this is what happens in share market predictions a lot. I think this study is trying to find how we handle the uncertainty of knowledge. What I wanted to see is how people's perception of knowledge in the face of uncertainty is actually affecting in a long course of time. Do they gradually increase their knowledge or skill or does their knowledge or skill reduce at large.

Only thing i can confidently say after this video is that..right now I can't trace where you are at .I dunno if you are at the confident incompetent level or not confident mediocre level or modestly confident expert level...all because I dunno how deep this effect actually is and how deep you actually know..

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If you plot the difference between perceived ability and actual performance on a graph, it resembles the Stupid Mountain Curve. Thus, the origin of the Stupid Mountain Curve can indeed be traced back to the Dunning-Kruger Effect.

Very very interesting 🤔

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Bro in the false consensus

I believe the Mount stupid curve is not representative of individual's 'overconfidence' in relation to one another, I think it's a representation of an individual's learning process. Whenever you try learning a skill, you "go through" the curve. The mount stupid curve and the 'overconfidence' graph from 'Overconfidence among beginners' (shown at 6:00) must have been conflated at some point because they represent the same phenomenon albeit in a different context: "Ignorant people don't know how ignorant they are until they learn it"

I’ve used the Dunning-Kruger effect on my field of expertise, but I’ve modified the graphic to better illustrate my point as it pertains to authoritarian propaganda. I have a video about it by clicking on my avatar.

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Bottom line. Be the one who does his best, but doesnt think hes the best, superior to all others who he thinks they dont know much. Because guy#2 is obnoxious and he makes a FOOL of himself. Because he thinks he is the best. No one likes those guys And the irony is: You will never convince him that he is not the smartest, most successful, etc. Not only does he insult and offend, hes proud of it!😅😅

Interesting on the difference between "poor performers" and "beginners". Never heard it divided like that but something in the poor per.. seems to speak to its results. And (as a former psych researcher) how have I never known about that graph connected with it before? It doesn't visually present anything to me that couldn't be better without it, lol.

3:10 the testicles

5:18 - wrong. It is about stupid people. Intelligent people are intelligent enough to know that they most probably know very little. 5:25 - wrong. The diagram shows the progress of one person during the learning process while you are talking about totally different topic.

If the self-assessments were about how they performed relative to the others, then their error does not necessarily reflect overconfidence. It is possible that they felt the test was very difficult and thought that most people would have done as badly as they did.

Not sure if you found out but that graph is the human emotional response to change. A simplified version you could say.

There's more irony to consider. The fact that many great achievements were from people too uneducated to know that they shouldn't even try what they big fat achieved anyway. Yeah! Such instances are rare, but they happen.

Yes, you certainly found something hilariously ironic !

I know this video is 2 years old but I'd just like to point out that the curve does actually reflect the data shown at 3:45 if you map the magnitudes of perceived confidence over an axis. You will get the "mount stupid" curve by plotting that and estimating it using at least a 3rd degree polynomial, less squished though... I'm not sure what the actual origin of the curve is, but it likely came to be by some pop science magazine or professor somewhere who did the exact same thing (or hey, maybe D/K actually did plot it themselves and presented it somewhere outside of the paper) Eitherway, the Dunning-Kruger curve is still correctly fitted to the findings of the Dunning-Kruger paper, so we might as well still call it the Dunning-Kruger curve as far as I can tell.

f#ck around vs find out graph

It seems quite certain most comments here come from people who have philosophy education, but not raising children to the finish education. The Dunning Kruger effect is point on. At approximately age 12 or 13, this whipper snapper thinks he's got the tiger by the tail. He is enjoyinghis life on someone elses dime because he can'tget a job. He is reaching the peak of Mt Stupid. He can make all his own decisions. By 16 he can continue to make all his 'own' decisions while driving someone elses car, enjoying someone elses insurance, namely his parent's. Because it would be cruel and inhuman to get a job to support himself. Hopefully you got that. By 17, why there is nothing stopping him from making more money than his parents and leaving home and start making babies (this may start earlier in some cases). By 21, when he is broke, in debt, pierced, tattooed, his brain is skewed from either drugs or alcohol that he needed to consume in order achieve a higher level on Mt Stupid. He now has babies somewhere that do not have a stable mom, or dad for that matter, they now want their parents to let them live with them in order to fix their life. Oh, but they are now climbing a new Mt Stupid. He still doesn't want to work, because he is worth more thatn he will get paid. And now that the grandparents are raising his children in a safe place, why does it matter? He now needs a disability check because he suffers depression. The Dunning Kruger effect was just a simple way if explaining this long, drawn out, often repeated, seen everywhere, sad story. Tell me I am wrong.

You missed the biggest factor: regression to the mean. If someone has zero confidence then, if there's any error, they can only overestimate their skill. And the converse is also true. Therefore this graph is characteristic of any assessment of a low thing to a high thing where there are errors in assessment.

Alright, you can still construct the mount stupid curve if you define confidence as the difference between the perceived score and the average true score. X axis remains the same, the true score

I’ve seen ai training follow this curve too.

Rats, I just realized I submitted my final English 10 Essay on the effects of Ignorance is Bliss in 1984, referencing mount stupid, and ironically showcasing my own lack of research

I don't really think there's a lot of people that misinterpret the graph like that, to be quite honest, but eh

I strongly believe there are 2 mount stupids in the curve.

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What a lovely video. I'm glad you're back! Keep it up!

Yeats (1920): The best lack all conviction, while the worst are full of passionate intensity. Russell (1933): The fundamental cause of the trouble is that in the modern world the stupid are cocksure while the intelligent are full of doubt. Bukowski (1989): But the problem is that bad writers tend to have the self-confidence, while the good ones tend to have self-doubt.

I knew about the "original graphs" because I worked with the original paper for my presentation in class several years back, but still I also explain the effect with the "wrong" curve to INTEODUCE the effect to new people because of easier imagining what the effect REPRECENTS: to know you are stupid, you actually have to know something and this CORRALETES with people's confidence. Because this combination people can remember better than if I pull up an (english) paper from what non-science-interessted, non-english-spealking people don't know how to make use of it.🫶

This is what i always said You can be stupid and arrogance, or be smart and arrogance "Smart people never said themself is smart" is such quote made by stupid people to make themself feel superior . "I know im stupid, so i must be better than that stupid that saying themself smart"

Studying the performance on an exam doesn't take into account abilities that take +20 years to perfect.... i'd take this into account

The issue is comparing it to your peers. A toddler has a very high percentile of their language ability. Most people don’t speak their language. A bottom percentile Harvard surgeon is still pretty good

Learn more about the topic according to whom the educated cocksuckers who were paid to write the wrong things into Books or the idiots that are claiming to be educated that still can’t interpret the fucking information in front of them?? This is bullshit just like the Mandela effect made bullshit by non-intelligent people .

If words like stupid and incompetent and below average didn't carry such mocked negativity, maybe people would be willing to self-assess more accurately? Try putting yourself well below average and enjoy the decades of depression and intimidation and despair that comes with it.

Isn't it still the case that dumber people are more likely to overestimate their skills? If I had to take a test in the subject I had no to little idea about and I know I pretty much guessed the answers, and then I was asked how confident I was in my result, I like to think I'd admit I had no clue. I'd say that incompetence with extreme confidence is somewhat a sign of someone who's not exactly smart in most cases, no?

No one cares about the study. the graph represents a simple fact about sphere of knowledge and ignorance. it's easy to remember and is seemingly correct. the study itself isn't much close to reality than this, I would even say it's right off the stupid mount. the subject of knowledge is reality not a reference starter study.

Uh how people love to throw this dunning kruger effect around as arguments :)

why is my brain more active than my speech, everything comes out Stupid not to mention with a southern accent so...there goes my dunning-kruger effect

How do you make a video about the dunning krueger effect without knowing whether or not you were experiencing the dunning kreuger effect when you made it???

I wish I had been able to go to college. I think there is a correlation between ignorance and fear. I would love to test it.

5:25 The difference between perceived performance and real performance gets bigger as you go lower down the performance axis. So it actually does imply that more incompetent people are more confident

I still barely know anything about the dunning-kruger effect