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13 reasons why is top 5 worst shows ever along with Velma, Wednesday, doctor who, etc.

Five years late and a bit long, but I don’t care. I’m gonna admit, I did not mind the first season of 13 Reasons Why when it first came out. And I say that as someone who was twelve going through an emo phase and was severely suicidal because of the trauma I had been through. I felt seen in this show at the time of its release (and sort of related to Hannah later on in the eighth grade when I went through similar experiences of slut shaming that Hannah went through that also caused me to attempt suicide myself, but I didn’t send out tapes or anything like that lmao). In fact, quite the opposite was done with me wanting to kill myself through watching Kate Walsh’s performance as Olivia Baker, because I saw my own mom in her, and knew I could not do what Hannah did to Olivia to my own mother. It was embarrassingly to the point where my friends and I got mad at our math teacher for informing us about our principal sending out emails on 13 Reasons Why’s negative impact that led to me sobbing about how the show understood me…yeah, not my finest or proudest moment that I like to talk about! That was that, second season was okay to me, and the third and fourth were guilty pleasures that annoyed the shit out of me. Never really had cared for Bojack Horseman, until a friend I had made in rehab at the time had annoyed me enough to watch it in 2022. I thought this show was just about some idiot who gets himself depressed after a failed Hollywood attempt, and that I’d be bored out of my mind. Instead, I unfortunately saw so much of myself in so many characters. Particularly both Bojack and Sarah Lynn. I had gotten clean after using substances for over a year after I had lost so many friends and the respect of teachers in the process, and could see the self-destruction through both characters, the narcissism and bad choices I made through Bojack, the unresolved trauma by needing attention through Sarah, and so many other things. The View From Halfway Down however, did something so incredible. I thought the scene where Olivia found Hannah was tear inducing enough for me to reconsider everything, but the scene where Bojack called Diane and asked where she was at broke me. I couldn’t stop sobbing for 20 minutes after that scene had played. In that moment after watching that scene, I realized I truly needed to stay sober and clean, or else I would end up with a similar fate as Bojack or Sarah Lynn. I realized I needed to become a better person, a better friend, and a better daughter. I realized I needed to be a completely different and sober person who was mentally healthy and stable, and all it took was that damn phone call. I have been two years clean since May 17th, 2022, and have changed my life for the absolute better, and I’m now thriving at college with a good 3.8 GPA for my freshman year. I still don’t mind the first season of 13 Reasons Why, as poorly aged as it is with its questionable message and morals. But does Bojack Horseman absolutely nail the message better and actually gives you a lesson that will stick with you for years to come? Absolutely. That show saved me in so many ways I can’t describe, and I cannot recommend it enough to anyone because of how accurate and gut wrenching it portrays the realistic side of addiction depression, self-destruction, and suicide. Genuinely one of the few shows to stick with me since watching it.

Is Bojack just American Monogatari?

view from halfway down does more to discourage suicide than the entirety of 13 reasons why

One is a cartoon and the other is live action. Medium sickeningly determines legitimacy.

Thanks for this❤

I like how a show with anthropomorphic animals displayed more human elements than 13 reasons why

Bojack horseman is the best show ever written

Great midterm report, you get a B+

6:00 "The main character Clay is as if the word "What" turned into a person". 😅🤣I have never thought of it that way before, but looking deeper, I can see how accurate the description is.

walt jr. seems angry

These videos shitting on 13 Reasons Why and praising Bojack Horseman give me a reasons to live.

the way that show that’s about an animated alcoholic man horse has better writing and representation of mental illness than a live action show about teenagers

I couldn't finish the first season of 13 reasons why, it was just so depressing. I've heard it gets worse as the seasons go on. I feel with Bojack everything he dose had consequences. Its 13 reasons there no consquese to anything that happens I stick with a talking horse.

I feel like 13 reasons why is more about trauma and how people deal with it rather than mental illness, would’ve adddd sm to Hanna’s character tho

a show about a retired sitcom actor who’s a talking horse did better at serious issues than a show about a suicide? what a world.

Hot take: "The view from half way down" is the single greatest episode in television history. Even better than every Breaking Bad episode

There's one difference between Bojack Horseman and 13 Reasons Why, Bojack is good and 13 Reasons Why is bad.

I think the biggest meaningful difference between BH and 13RW is how death is portrayed: 13RW portray it as if it was a malleable state, Hannah still "appear" to some people as if she was a ghost, as if she wasn't gone at all, and it lighten the actual impact her death should have on people. In BH, death is death, it's terrifying, especially in the poem from Secreteriat, it show he actually wanted to live at the last minute, when it was too late... when a character die, they STAY dead, they don't reappear until Bojack's hallucination/dream, wich makes their deaths impactful with actual consequences! And also, that terrifying dark door representing death? "There's no other side, this is it."? THAT'S how you don't glamorize death. When you're gone, you're gone, and there's no coming back.

He is a horse...

I actually like 13 reason why when i watched it, i didn't like season 2 but anyway whatchiing the first season kinda helped me and worsened my bad mental health of that period but yeah it put the same ideas on what to do for your suicide

I mean… when an animated show about an anthropomorphic horse is easier to relate to than a bunch of actual human kids in school, you gotta realize there’s something wrong with your show, it also goes to show that any stable person can relate to a well written character no matter what they look like

I never had any interest in 13 reasons why, so I dunno anything about it aside from what I've heard. Bojack on the other hand... That show was phenomenal. I started watching expecting it to be another dumb show to play in the background like Family Guy. It's the reason I waited til way after the show was concluded before I decided to watch it. Boy did I miss the fuckin mark with that one. If Breaking Bad/Better Call Saul didn't exist, Bojack would 100% be my favorite show. But it's a close second. This video made me wanna rewatch it now lol

Watch all 4 seasons of 13RW and it’ll fill in the gaps that you mentioned. BoJack is a much better show, but it’s tough when ur comparing a whole series to just one season of another show

Hannah Baker has the best ass. True story.

Lol

Bojack /shows/ how mental illness effects someone. It shows how characters are shaped by their history how their actions effect others. Only telling the bare minimum when they need to. 13 reason why tells and tells and tells in a way that makes it impossible to show how any of the events would actually effect a human being instead of the walking drama lumps they call characters

Ik love BH because it holds their characters accountable like with Herb not forgiving him or with Sarah Lynn

I believe this video was stolen

“The view from halfway down”

Why are y’all making being gay a personality trait? There are plenty of gay CZcamsrs that don’t feel the urge to make everything about being gay. Many don’t even speak of their sexuality because it’s not as important as the quality of their content

Also, Bojack horseman holds Bojack accountable for the horrible things he does to others due to his poor mental health, while 13 reasons why glorifies it and tried to make it look cool.

I've watched 13 reasons why 2 times and I think I didn't notice these obvious flawes because I don't have the mental health issues that any of the characters have. I could not actually relate to anything apart from extreme sadness but that's not very dangerous. I can't even begin to imagine what a suicidal person felt when watching the show.

I think Euphoria season 1 was better than TRW

When 13 reasons came out originally it made waves, Its not a good show and I think its gone completely off the rails but the first season started a conversation. Bojack on the other hand is AMAZING and so hard hitting and real in all the right ways

Hold on a minute you made me come in here three times some of the things you're saying make no sense dude BoJack Horseman does this BoJack Horseman also glamorizes it yeah it shows the negative the sides but and yeah obviously involve around one event but who are you here judging it like it's like it's a terrible show I think we'll take horses are terrible show really like and also why does it have to be such a serious topic I don't get you people and the way you think we should depict mental illness yeah I understand I haven't met I have a brother I schizophrenia and psychosis like I cannot believe this what do you know about mental illness are you do you have one I mean no offense if you do but I don't think you understand what the show is telling you okay yeah sure it glamorizes it but BoJack Horseman does the exact same thing as 13 Reasons Why does and my question is why am I getting into the debate with you when you were talking nonsense like I don't get you and that's good because your argument here isn't strong you're weak it's the fence list it's stupid so you're saying BoJack Horseman is a lot better than than I've seen a lot of people glamorize BoJack Horseman like it's this oh so wonderful show that could do no wrong and mentioned homosexuality and I know you're going to say oh we would lose Christian conservative well guess what well let me tell you this I don't like it I've watched it I don't like it I think it's stupid really I like the show but I don't glamorize it you people in there you glamorize BoJack Horseman like it it is this this all around good show that could do no wrong you know like it's going to do only bad they could do no bad when okay it glamorizes why mental health is bad and yeah we should do that at the same time we shouldn't hold certain shows to a higher standard just cuz BoJack Horseman is and look I'm not a big fan of the show but I like it and also I don't like it for us the patient's mental health I like it because it's entertainment that's all your valuing it as just in a way just cuz it's mental health and it's the picture of it now why is myself being taken so seriously today I think we should take mental health seriously I'm not saying that but I don't like how we hold certain shows to a high standard like they're just something we should just be be making a big deal out of and I know I'm making a big deal out of this but you know how come all you people on the internet make a big deal about this show like it's like we all make this show out to be one of the oh so best shows ever it's not the worst show is the best show and that's the and this is the problem with it you made it through glamorize this and you were doing what the media does to mental health you glamorize this show because it's such a good depiction Mental Health and yeah I don't think we should depict it as soon as comedic or and yeah 13 Reasons Why is only done for money obviously but I'm going to tell you this it's awful really BoJack Horseman I think it's awful really I don't get it it's probably because I don't have a mental illness but you know I don't get we don't talk about autism doesn't mean you people with autism doesn't mention people have a phobia of dogs only depicts serious mental illnesses you know I want to see something that has some that scared dogs we don't see that because no one understands that but we're willing to understand one thing but we won't understand we don't we do not want to understand another thing just why do we glorify this show BoJack Horseman we're glorifying it don't glorify this show like it's like it's the best show ever and the only best show and any other series like this and yeah you know yours are better the pigeons than BoJack Horseman right just saying I apologize if this is triggered you bye

Okay so I heard a lot of people saying why they don't like 13 Reasons Why but I'm good defended it a little bit here I don't like to show myself but I'm going to defend it a little bit so wait a second you're saying the characters are boring it's unrealistic well isn't that life like isn't that life in general unrealistic like I'm most people unrealistic with their goals and are most of the scenarios in the show unrealistic shocker that's life that's life you might think you're being realistic but you're not yes BoJack Horseman is inaccurate depiction but it's also somewhat ridiculous might be and I know and I'm going to get a lot of crap for saying this comment but I'm going to say this I didn't like BoJack Horseman that much I don't care if you say I'm an idiot and I don't know what I'm talking about I know I don't know what I'm talking about but I'm going to defend 13 Reasons Why you know why do you judge the show like it's a show made for you and you only like you make it sound like it should only be made for you and then you only why can't it be made for everyone else not could be misjudging you and I apologize if I am just I don't get your logic here you're saying it's unrealistic because the characters in realistic well yeah isn't that mental health in general aren't they unrealistic in what they believe in and what they do and no and and and and not be offensive not to be offensive by the way I stutter so I apologize I'm so here's the thing you're saying I say is for a sake of argument I decided that I didn't like what you watched and I critiqued it I critique what you like but I don't know I'm going to defend 13 Reasons Why a little bit here I like the show I'm not a big fan of it and okay and don't think I'm some big fan about that yeah well if not but I'm going to critique this a little bit so you don't like it because it's unrealistic I don't get why you think it's unrealistic you explain to me why because your argument here is that it's unrealistic and a lot of the characters are stupid now you didn't say that but that's what you're saying I mean yeah it's only glorified as mental illness but I mean don't we do in the media today but don't we do that in the media today we glorified depressions psychosis narcissism don't we glorify all that noise my Psychopaths on the internet and on the you know on in the media like American Psycho we were generally actually glorifying that actually like something back so what are you think about it this is no more different than BoJack Horseman like you're stating that BoJack Horseman is better than 13 Reasons Why and also milk toast come on dude no one said that word in years this come from a guy that that wears a suit really milk toast you're saying they're milk toast well you know what not to offend you but your milk tells I apologize for that bye

So I say it so what you're saying is that only people with mental illness can relate to Bojack Horseman can people that don't have mental illness relate with them can't lonely people like to Bojack Horseman I mean can't normal people late to Bojack Horseman like why is it only that mental people with mental health relate to the show I relate it and I don't have a very bad mental health if anything I have really good mental health just saying like I don't get your logic just because people with mental health relate to it doesn't mean normal people can't like how is it that you assume that only people with mental health related I assure people that don't have it can relate to it like tell me how do people with mental health relate to and my question is can that people that don't have mentals for late to it cuz a minute because I feel like you're singling out people with that don't happen to us yeah I know that's what the show's about mental health but can't people with out mental health relate to it like don't single out people like dude I'm lonely and I relate to it I relate to the show so yeah think about this bye

i mean 13RW helped me. i watched the show when i was having the worst time of my life. i see people sayin it makes you wanna kill urself but i felt the opposite. it kinda gave me hope in an indirect way. i'm really grateful to that show. it'll always be my favourite show. but i'm excited to check out bojack horseman!

Bojack Horseman shows all angles of depression, trauma and addiction. It doesn't glorify anything, or make it so he isn't at fault for anything and everyone loves and forgives him. He's an extremely flawed character that you're supposed to understand. You understand why he is the way he is, and you can feel bad for him, but you still understand the things he does are bad. It doesn't excuse his actions, it explains why he acts that way. It shows how much trauma can effect people, but that ultimately, you have control over the things you do and you have to take accountability. It never portrays anyone as the bad guy for not forgiving him, because it's understandable and fair. It's devastating to watch, but you understand everything and everyone. It makes sense and it's realistic.

you should upload again son

“Enunciate you idiot you sound like you have lockjaw” 😂 dw bro you don’t

13 reasons why needed the second season. It pushed Hannah down from the pedestal she was put on in the first season, and showed how the other characters also was struggeling and their side of the story. However the third season just proved how much of a shit show it really is, murder is finally OK as long as it's your friends who does it???

no upload in over 2 years, damn

"the main character Clay is if the word What turned into a person"💀🤚

I felt like 13rw fetishized suicide and mental health and was beating around the point but wasn't going too deep into it and addressing the root of the problem , Bojack does the same at first but they get into the core of problem and they portrayed what happens to someone in that state and how affects the people around you.

Wild. I just finished BoJack for the first time. It was amazing. Definitely feeling sad now that it's all wrapped. I find it fascinating how much you were able to speak about BoJacks subject matter with only two seasons at the time of recording this video. I wonder what you'd say about the series with the rest of the series all out.

my mom is a very not strict person in the slightest , and when 13 reasons why came out when i was in middle school it became (and still remains) the only show i am not allowed to watch. because my mother was afraid that it glamorized the idea of suicide so much that it would make me want to. and honestly that’s probably true. after the show came out i noticed a sudden and overwhelming influx of girls in my middle school talking about “omg im literally so depressed” and “im literally gonna kill myself after this class” and don’t get me wrong if that show got people to speak out about the way that they were feeling, that’s great! but i can’t help but assume that those girls just wanted to be like the main character of their favorite show. and the next year when everyone forgot about that show, all the girls who were “suicidal” seemed to all be conveniently “cured” when school started again. and that was so harmful for my (then assumed to be bipolar, now bpd) little middle school brain. and i couldn’t comprehend how everyone just got better out of nowhere and i couldn’t. if that show was made to help people feel less alone in their feelings, it did the exact opposite for me.

Were they marketing 13 Reasons Why as a mental health awareness show or as a drama?