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3 Mistakes Beginner Singers Make
There are 3 common mistakes beginner singers make: A breathy sound, a constricted sound, and a woofy sound. In this video, I demonstrate these 3 mistakes and show you how to fix them.
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Onset Exercises for Singers
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This video will help you train your onset in singing. Onset is vitally important to master because it sets up your voice for the rest of the phrase. Starting out on the right foot in singing can be difficult to master, yet it pays big dividends for your singing. Offset or release in singing is also discussed.
How to Sing High C
zhlédnutí 8KPřed měsícem
Learn how to sing an operatic high C5 with proper vocal technique. This video demonstrates how opera singers sing high C. It also gives you vocal exercises to help develop high C for tenors. Mechanics of the voice are discussed, as well as tips and tricks. www.joshualindsay.com
Vocal Exercises for Tenor
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Use this video to warm up your voice and work on your vocal technique to get you ready to sing. These exercises are ideal for variety of styles of singing, including: Classical, opera, musical theater, contemporary, etc. Check out my website: www.joshualindsay.com
How to teach voice lessons on Zoom
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This video shows you the technology you need to teach online voice lessons on Zoom.
Singing with Correct Posture
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Learn to sing with correct posture using the principles of the Alexander Technique. I demonstrate the affects of good and bad posture in singing. If you are looking for a voice teacher, you can contact me through my website: www.joshualindsay.com
Resonance in Singing with Spectrogram Analysis
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www.joshualindsay.com In this video, I show you how resonance in the voice works with a spectrogram. I discuss the fundamental frequency, overtones, and the singers formant. I also demonstrate efficient and inefficient vocal production and how it affects the resonance. www.joshualindsay.com
Joshua Lindsay Liederabend Recital 2019
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Joshua Lindsay Liederabend Recital 2019

Komentáře

  • @hendrikmispelon4936

    For my high c I usually use the so-called falsetto rinforsato. What is your opinion on this? My guess is that it helps to stretch the vocal folds. However, I do feel that in doing so my high c lacks a bit of roundness and connection to the notes below the high c.

  • @lukeleone615
    @lukeleone615 Před 2 dny

    Hi Josh, thanks for the great video! Question for you. How do you think about transitioning from a "head voice" to "full voice"? Is it a long evolutionary process or a subtle shift of technique? (I'll try to define my terms. By head voice, I mean a very light mix - maybe 90% falsetto in the sound, but not completely falsetto. An example might be Alfredo Kraus singing a high C quietly. By full voice, I mean a strong integration of chest into the sound.) Should I just keeping singing in a head voice and that will grow into full voice? Or do I need to change my vocal approach to fill out the sound? Thanks for your input!

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před dnem

      Hi Luke! Thank you for the great question! I think it is a good idea to do falsetto exercises in the upper register, up to high C5 and beyond. This would help with your positioning, i.e. the elongation of the vocal cords. Eventually, you will need to do an approximated falsetto, or a mix, or what the Italians would say voce di lontano. There is a bit more arytenoid action when singing an approximated falsetto. After that, you can try to fully adduct the vocal cords. Sometimes the arytenoid muscles are not strong enough to withstand that much pressure and then they break apart resulting in a "crack", but eventually those muscles will get stronger and cracking will become less frequent.

    • @lukeleone615
      @lukeleone615 Před dnem

      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 ok, very cool! Thank you for taking time to write your helpful response! I think I can do the "approximated falsetto" pretty easily, and I can go way higher than High C with that. But I struggle to integrate chest at around A or Bb. I feel a strong vocal shift there. I will keep working at it! One more question for you if you don't mind. Do you believe in the concept of "covering" through the passaggio, as endorsed by Pavarotti? I've heard pro and con from people I consider very good singers. On the con side, the argument is that a "cover" on the inside introduces constriction to the throat and contradicts an open throat position. However, on the pro side, people claim that it is impossible to arrive in the upper register without it. I'm curious what your thoughts are. Thank you.

  • @TheSeeking2know
    @TheSeeking2know Před 4 dny

    Cool suggestion. Doesn't this make one sound more classical though?

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před dnem

      This technique can be used for both classical and contemporary singing. The difference would be the opening in the back of the throat.

    • @TheSeeking2know
      @TheSeeking2know Před dnem

      @@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 How does one do this with singing in the mask? Open throat and lowered larynx gives a "hootier" (classical) sound.

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 4 dny

    🙏

  • @SurfingSerpent
    @SurfingSerpent Před 7 dny

    The stretching makes sense, because a tenor can often stretch to Eb5 or E5. As a baritone, a C5 is usually the stretch note, maybe C#5 if you’re lucky. That’s true for me, at least. I personally found great success using air resistance to create good vocal fold closure. I like to gradually close the space off as I walk up the 5 note scale, because the less that the air can move, the more the vocal folds are forced to contact on the edge if they want to vibrate (SOVT philosophy). Especially for baritones or basses, we REALLY need to double down on thinning our voice on the edge, which is much easier to do with increased air resistance at the lips. It forces us to thin out if we want to make sound. I like this exercise, which tops off using “w” from the word “wow” and the closed “b” sound for a short time (forcing maximum closure before opening back up): [Do] “uh” - [Re] “aw” - [Mi] “oh” - [Fa] “ooh” - [So] “w” - “b” - [So] “ba” - [Fa] - [Mi] - [Re] - [Do] …

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před dnem

      That is very observant! Yes the aperture of the vocal folds should remain closed when ascending into the upper register. The difficulty most young singers have is that their arytenoid muscles are not strong enough to maintain proper adduction and the vocal cords either break apart suddenly under pressure or the vocal cords gradually abduct and thus resulting in a loss of resonance and loss of core sound.

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 7 dny

    Thank you😊🙏

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 7 dny

    🙏

  • @innermostbeing
    @innermostbeing Před 8 dny

    Hi Joshua, At the outset,, I would like to thank you for this online lesson. It's a new learning to me. Although I enjoyed the content, a small suggestion is to break this into smaller pieces and also repeat each of them thrice so we could practice along with you. In the first two instances, you want to play and the third time you play the notes on the instrument then allow us to sign.

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 8 dny

    ❤Thanks

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 8 dny

    Thank you😊🙏

  • @user-rt6lr1rb3n
    @user-rt6lr1rb3n Před 8 dny

    Thank you very much❤!!!

  • @KevinLopolisa
    @KevinLopolisa Před 10 dny

    The ideal voice is easy to do... but to maintain that while entering the break is another story

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 9 dny

      Yes, the passaggio, or the break in the voice, is a very tricky thing to manage and can take years to master.

  • @SamuelM.-iz1un
    @SamuelM.-iz1un Před 10 dny

    What’s the difference between vocal exercise and vocal warm up?

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 10 dny

      That’s a very good question! Vocal warm-ups tend to get the vocal cords moving and primed for singing. Vocal exercises, on the other hand, our designed for building vocal technique. It’s like going to the gym for your voice.

  • @nick2007AD
    @nick2007AD Před 11 dny

    Where were you 25 years ago. I think you are great. You are really helping me hit that high C.

  • @himangshuballavbarman5906

    Opera C

  • @rextomkinson6226
    @rextomkinson6226 Před 12 dny

    I found myself counting the number of times he said 'ok'

  • @mathieurivest2348
    @mathieurivest2348 Před 12 dny

    This is what I was looking for. A baritone that reach c5 in full voice. czcams.com/video/RM4hwPadGB8/video.htmlsi=DTYc7OEHesRBOrvM

  • @tomasskoglund401
    @tomasskoglund401 Před 13 dny

    If the air comes first why not call it aspirate onset? If the vocalfolds are closed before the air is added why not call it a glottal onset (which does'nt have to be hard)? If the air and vocalfolds starts at the same time why not call it a simultaneous onset? All of these onsets is coordinated since the two parts in an onset/offset is the vocalfolds and the air.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 11 dny

      This is not my terminology. This is Richard Miller‘s terminology, who is a renowned vocal pedagogue in classical singing. He calls it a coordinated or balanced onset.

    • @tomasskoglund401
      @tomasskoglund401 Před 9 dny

      @@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Thank you for answering. So maybe the video should be called onset exercises for classical singers.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 9 dny

      Good suggestion! I'll keep that in mind! Keep on singing, @tomasskoglund401 !

  • @donnyt7799
    @donnyt7799 Před 13 dny

    Hope you keep doing these

  • @thelightseeker94
    @thelightseeker94 Před 13 dny

    interesting never seen it done that way.

  • @lenonfreire3235
    @lenonfreire3235 Před 13 dny

    These tips look really valuable! Gotta try them in the morning though 😅

  • @DavidNapoles-ee2xl
    @DavidNapoles-ee2xl Před 14 dny

    I'm a baritone and according to my professor I've hit C5 in certain occasions but it's hard, so far it's not a note I can constantly sing on

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 13 dny

      Wow, that’s impressive that you can sing C5 as a baritone! Yes, that’s quite a major feat. A lot of professional baritones can only go up to A5, at most. I had a voice teacher once who was a baritone who could sing C5 better than I could as a tenor. I was always jealous! Ha!

  • @Cidafulnus
    @Cidafulnus Před 14 dny

    Fantastic video... As a Barithone I watch this trying to go a lil bit higher

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 14 dny

      That's great! The same principles for stretching the range apply to all voice types, including baritones! Keep up the good work!

  • @TotalVoiceStudio
    @TotalVoiceStudio Před 15 dny

    Onsets are not necessarily correct or incorrect unless you’re talking Western classical music. In CCM singing, aspirated and glottal onsets have value depending on the emotional intent. Nice to see Richard Millers exercises being used. I remember him fondly and attended Oberlin summer school a couple of times. Your rhythms were incorrect- triplet you were articulating as short short long instead of three even durations. Similarly for the other rhythms

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 11 dny

      Yes, I guess everything can be subjective. The onsets that I demonstrate are indeed from western classical singing.

    • @muleface1066
      @muleface1066 Před 9 dny

      @@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Every sound can be useful in various kinds of singing, but glottal and breathy onsets cause more vocal strain than a coordinated onset. I think they may be useful for emphasis, but should be used sparingly.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 9 dny

      Very true. For teaching purposes, I sometimes have people do a glottal onset when they have a very breathy sound and vice versa: a breathy onset for those who have a really tight sound. These are just temporary corrective measures.

  • @nicochisha7927
    @nicochisha7927 Před 15 dny

    Singing an E above high C is beautiful if you are Juan D Florez 👌🏾

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 15 dny

      Yes, he has great high notes above high C, which is quite impressive. I have only heard one singer live perform a high F above high C and I was stunned how crazy high that was. I am a lower tenor and I have more of a dramatic quality to my voice, so the C sounds a bit different than Juan Diego Florez's.

  • @mbus2506
    @mbus2506 Před 15 dny

    Woow

  • @isivaasanaru5643
    @isivaasanaru5643 Před 15 dny

    I'm nailing that high C - literally! Sounds quite painful lol

  • @richardchubb3152
    @richardchubb3152 Před 16 dny

    Sorry, that doesn't sound so high.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 16 dny

      C5 is around the top of a typical tenor's range. Anything above this is usually in falsetto.

    • @nicochisha7927
      @nicochisha7927 Před 15 dny

      It doesn’t sound high because he is a trained singer. Trained singers have a lot of freedom in the higher range of the voice. Try singing the high C, but record yourself and then do a comparison.

    • @richardchubb3152
      @richardchubb3152 Před 15 dny

      @@nicochisha7927 ???? That makes no sense

    • @TonderaiChamunorwa-xq3iw
      @TonderaiChamunorwa-xq3iw Před 15 dny

      Wow

    • @gmfroma-2-z906
      @gmfroma-2-z906 Před 13 dny

      ​@@nicochisha7927True

  • @jakejudy5455
    @jakejudy5455 Před 16 dny

    1. John mayer lol. Hes my favorite artist

  • @SuperMax-uf8jz
    @SuperMax-uf8jz Před 16 dny

    Hi Joshua, I have a complex question if you don't mind! I'm a beginner, and I have, as of now, learned how to : 1) Control my larynx, and now I'm capable of hitting high notes without straining like before (not my highest notes in my range though) 2) Control my soft palate to stop the nasality 3) Do breath support (diaphragmatic breathing) 4) Get a feel of how my mix voice sounds and feels like (at least that what I think) 5) how to produce and relatively control my vibrato 6) how to Belt 7) I'm capable of singing classical with some pretty good vibrato as well. I guess because I'm good at controlling my larynx and I'm able to lower it well. Although I suffer at keeping it low or neutral at high notes and the highest parts of my range ( please bear in mind that I haven't mastered these concepts yet, but I would say I'm like, a 5/10 in all of them except my Mixed voice) - But I still have some things that I'm wondering about, because even tho I sound better than I did before, and I understand a lot more about how not only to sing the notes but also how they're produced and everything. I still don't sound as good as I wanna sound! I haven't done vocal exercises for long, by the way! And I also suffer from phlegm in my throat as well It's not like I sound horrible at the moment, because even I think I sound relatively good for a beginner, and I'm always super hard on myself and judge myself super hard! It's just that I don't sound as good as the artists that I like, I want the beauty from my voice to come out easily, to be able to sing beautifully at any time, effortlessly and at my own command. of course I know I need to practice a lot more, but I can't help thinking that there's something fundamentally wrong that I'm currently doing that's ruining my voice! So, giving everything I just said, what would you suggest for me to work on? Are there any other concepts plus the 7 I mentioned above that you think I should work on? Like to extend my range or learn other different techniques or something like that? Or is it just a case of me not practicing for long enough? So sorry for making this super long btw, I'm just so desperate for help😮‍💨 I hope you understand!

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 15 dny

      Thank you so much for your question! I will make a video on how to maintain a lower laryngeal position. Do you have a link to your singing? That would be the best way for me to analyze your voice and give you feedback.

    • @SuperMax-uf8jz
      @SuperMax-uf8jz Před 15 dny

      ​@@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 I can't post the link because CZcams keeps deleting my comment when I add the link for some reason, is there any way I can send it to you? Like your email address?

  • @lindaanderson8329
    @lindaanderson8329 Před 17 dny

    This is a demonstration, not a lesson.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 17 dny

      So true! A one-on-one lesson would be the most optimal teaching format. In this video, I demonstrate how I go about training my vocal cords through a series of vocal exercises. I also discuss the correct positioning of the vocal cords to sing high C5. In reality, to sing an operatic high C5, it can take years or even over a decade of training to master.

    • @lindaanderson8329
      @lindaanderson8329 Před 14 dny

      Then maybe you should not start out saying “I’m going to teach you how to sing a high C”! I understand it’s for the purposes of attracting viewers:)

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 14 dny

      Thanks for the suggestions, Linda! I'll keep that in mind.

    • @jorge.sanchez7909
      @jorge.sanchez7909 Před 14 dny

      ​@@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022así es. Además de ello, no todos los tenores lo pueden lograr; ya que también hay diferentes tipos de tenores ( ligero, lírico, lírico ligero; dramático, spinto). Un cordial saludo desde Argentina.

    • @ShillyBears1
      @ShillyBears1 Před 13 dny

      @@lindaanderson8329what are u going on about?

  • @gabrielthesingingpilot

    Subscribed :) always looking for great singing tutorials like this. Thank you and looking forward to seeing more

  • @RenewedMind101
    @RenewedMind101 Před 18 dny

    I can hit high C easily with mixed voice but to I can't do it with the Operatic Tone, I have tried but I think I need professional trainging for that.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 17 dny

      Head voice, or approximated falsetto, is way easier to sing than a full-voiced, fully adducted high C5. Voice lessons with a professional would help get you there.

  • @yw6349
    @yw6349 Před 19 dny

    Great content! Regarding lowering the larynx at 2:32, would you mind making a video explaining how to achieve that, especially when singing high notes? I find it most difficult to keep a lowered laryngeal position when the pitch gets higher.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 17 dny

      Yes, absolutely! I'l get on that for you! In the mean time, try doing a surprised inhalation. Feel your Adam's apple. Does it go down? Think to yourself "I just won a million dollars" and then breath in surprised. This should help lower the larynx. Yes, the higher you go in your register, the harder it is to keep your larynx down. It takes training and practice to maintain a lowered laryngeal position.

  • @henkmueller2550
    @henkmueller2550 Před 20 dny

    Great video, i am lyric tenor who gets c5 on power, like spinto. Youv start here right from the headvoice/voie

  • @henkmueller2550
    @henkmueller2550 Před 20 dny

    Great video, i am dark lyric tenor who gets c5 on power, like spinto. You start here right on top from the headvoice/voix mixte I suppose, falsetto i can start c5 but to reach it, from under. There is a difference in singing c5 in French opera Si rozanne bientôt n'arrive (manon) because the vowel or for che gelida on è which is much more squillo. So how to get that c with which you start here? Falsetto is to weak for my chords And what do you do to keep the larynx low??

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 17 dny

      It is a matter of training and strengthening the arytenoid muscles to maintain glottal closure. This will help prevent your vocal cords from flipping into falsetto. Do a surprised inhalation and feel your Adam's apple. Does it go down. Maintain that relaxed lowered laryngeal position while you sing.

  • @user-nw8jd3ge3x
    @user-nw8jd3ge3x Před 20 dny

    je pense avoir le meme type de voix que vous ,et j ai beaucoup de mal à passer en voix de tete . votre vidéo me montre le chemin ,merci

  • @anthonysava1769
    @anthonysava1769 Před 20 dny

    Great video. Very imfomative. I have been practicing how to sing Cara Mia by Jay Black. I was wondering your advice on how to better sing that song, especially the head notes. Thank you so much. Keep up the great videos!

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 17 dny

      I believe Jay Black has had some classical training. When he sings this high C5 in Cara Mia, is in approximated falsetto, not full voice. That's a great song!

    • @anthonysava1769
      @anthonysava1769 Před 17 dny

      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Thanks for the response. He was trained as a cantor, which is essentially the same as opera. That 4 octave voice with that classical appeal was truly special. It would be greatly appreciated if you could break the song down in a video. Hope all is well!

  • @sina.fsgaznagh
    @sina.fsgaznagh Před 22 dny

    ❣️❣️❣️

  • @swordsmanwil
    @swordsmanwil Před 23 dny

    This guy is amazing!

  • @renjimcardel9265
    @renjimcardel9265 Před 24 dny

    Great vid! May I ask if it is possible for a low tenor like me to reach that C5? My range is E2-G#4 i have been stuck at G#4 in a heady mix but my head voice can go up until C5

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 24 dny

      I am actually a low tenor as well, so it is definitely possible to sing high C5! It just might take longer for you than higher tenors. You are probably stuck there because of the passaggio. Having the right vocal technique will help facilitate going through the passaggio and up to high C5. Finding a voice teacher can help you do this.

  • @PushpHans745
    @PushpHans745 Před 25 dny

    Hi sir pls make vocal warmup for bass voices 🤌

  • @ibrahimismail5625
    @ibrahimismail5625 Před 26 dny

    bros voice is heaven

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 26 dny

      Thank you! That is very kind!

    • @xanadu1jw
      @xanadu1jw Před 8 dny

      Check out Dimash singing SOS on CZcams. He has 7 octaves. Not normal for mere humans.

    • @ibrahimismail5625
      @ibrahimismail5625 Před 8 dny

      @@xanadu1jw wtf is that💀💀💀💀 that shuts scary

    • @xanadu1jw
      @xanadu1jw Před 7 dny

      @@ibrahimismail5625 I don’t understand your question.

  • @misery3681
    @misery3681 Před 26 dny

    Does the Eh vowel on a C3 note have the F1 H3, even H4 as the most audible harmonic seen on the spike? I see that in my software

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 26 dny

      I would have to see your recording to determine that. If you have proper vocal adduction, you can have similar resonance on all vowels in the singer's formant range (CA. 2700Hz-3200Hz).

    • @misery3681
      @misery3681 Před 26 dny

      @@joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Thank you so much for the great answer. I am aiming to have F1 H2 on all of my notes, although I have read that for different vowels, there will be a slight difference shown in the spectogram.

  • @sina.fsgaznagh
    @sina.fsgaznagh Před 28 dny

    ❣️👌

  • @sina.fsgaznagh
    @sina.fsgaznagh Před 28 dny

    ❣️👏❣️👏❣️

  • @sebthi7890
    @sebthi7890 Před 28 dny

    "probably around F is the top" ...why do you show us a D? 😮

  • @MarcosRamos-km8et
    @MarcosRamos-km8et Před 29 dny

    Valeu professor

  • @alexanderkrivorotko1886
    @alexanderkrivorotko1886 Před měsícem

    What would be the equivalent of high C for baritone?

    • @king_noah_2692
      @king_noah_2692 Před měsícem

      Somewhere between F#4 and A4. Baritone is kind of a nebulous term that encapsulates everything between bass and tenor, so it definitely depends on your individual voice. Some of my friends who call themselves baritones can belt up to Bb4, and others have their highest at F#4. It depends.

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před měsícem

      Hi Alexander! Thanks for your question. It really depends on what type of baritone you are. (Bass-baritone, baritone, high baritone, baritenor, etc.) Bass-baritones can usually get up to F4 or F#4. Most professional baritones can sing G4. High baritones can sing Ab4 or A5. One of my voice teachers was a bass-baritone and he had a solid low F3 and he could sing high C5 better than any tenor. He was quite the anomaly, though.

    • @mathieurivest2348
      @mathieurivest2348 Před 29 dny

      Is opera different than rock? Cause in rock many baritones can hit C5 and higher.

    • @king_noah_2692
      @king_noah_2692 Před 29 dny

      @@mathieurivest2348 I think they’re talking about chest voice. If you are too, I’m confusd

    • @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022
      @joshualindsayvoicestudio6022 Před 29 dny

      Rock singers who are naturally baritones who sing high C typically sing it with reinforced falsetto or very strained adducted vocal cords.

  • @gregoryg6999
    @gregoryg6999 Před měsícem

    Is this Voce Vista Standard or Pro?