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She isn’t good against Lifestealer. That’s where I lost for the first time as VS Offlane.

the guy played 3 games and thinks he has the data to make assumptions. ridiculous

​@@andreikashpar4122 chill bruh, they are just saying they don't see how she's good.

Yo

Thanks, changed it lol

@@Docwell Great! Love your tierlists thanks for making dota a little bit easier for normal humans

I mean it was 7.35d for like a year wasn't it?

The win rate is 52% and around top 5 most picked mid. For context anything with decent pick retention above 54% is usually broken.

Ah sorry! Where do you get win rates from? I just look at dotabuff, maybe I have a different filter on or something but says ~47%

@@scottross5579 Dota2protracker is best because the rates on most places count too wide of a pool in the top bracket like it usually lumps everything from 4.5k and above where pro tracker is just high immortal.

Yes. But now his damage is just obnoxious on top of it. Like you can’t even come close to his middle shadowraze or you’re screwed

He’s not obsolete, he has crazy armor, range and damage output. This list is just basically cheese tier list, not actual power list.

@@vnshngpnt nah in my bracket the hero is just a grief pick nothing else

He cancel it ok 😅

Did you just say: "Im new to Dota. About 450 games".. hahah.. gaaame ooon!!

@@rvallekinlochwhat’s the problem?

​@@rvallekinlochAt that point, hes watching guides while playing. I wouldn't call him a new player anymore

​@@severity1069 I mean, I'm at 10k games. So relatively speaking.....

@@matthewedwards8549 You're a scary man

Like few tiers low

Weaver is good with insane DPS and harass, but if enemies are smart and adapt to silence/disable him, he dies really easily. Ursa takes an extra mile before you can kill him.

you can instant farm everything once you have aghs, just run around throwing 1 spirit lance per camp, the extra damage on the illusions makes 1 lance enough

@@fred53421 you can still do that with divergence

Finally somebody fuckin' said it. I've been spamming Spectre with Forsaken & I've lost only 3 games from my last 20. Don't know why people think she's bad. She lanes better now, nobody can fight her even at the laning stage & lvl 10 Health Regen talent helps her too.

@@toxicdota9290 i would still take the spec cdr for dagger at level 10 for chase and kill opportunities

y'all hilarious

wrong

I really don't think so. The winrate difference between each facet is like 11%. The other one looks horrible.

@@peterkirk8510 unfettered is just a situational pick and the other facet is generally better for sure. Btw dont trust statistics that much. They cannot truly reflect how good or bad the facet is, since it doesn't factor in how players use the skill.

@@truonggiangnguyen4660 if it’s a situational pick, people are picking it when they think it’s better for the situation and still losing far more than the other facet wins… Winrates factor in how people use the skill and more. You cannot explain away a winrate gap that large, it’s just bad. Ignoring when statistics clearly show something isn’t working is weird. You seem to be the type of person that wants to try to “break the meta” or do weird things that people don’t think work very well because you want to win in a way you think is unique, and, well, that generally results in you being wrong about it most of the time. A single person going against the meta that thousands have developed is often not correct. It’s fine you like the facet, but calling it underrated is just wrong. It’s bad. It turns lifestealer from a top 4 hero + facet combo to a bottom 20 hero + facet combo. Given that there’s 255 hero + facet combos, that’s pretty insane.

@@peterkirk8510 Please elaborate how winrates are calculated. Apart from calculating the ratio between wins and losses, do they really factor in other variables? (how the skill is used?, do players press the skill before or after they get stunned?, do players itemize correctly?). If so, then winrates are 100% correct and i can admit that i'm just dead wrong. If not, then these figures are purely insufficient to conclude that unfettered is a bad facet. Don't get me wrong, as rational people, we should always follow data, but interpreting data incorrectly or even conflating the meaning of such data with another wouldn't lead you to well-informed decisions. Lastly, ad hominem won't work. Looking forward to your response!

@@truonggiangnguyen4660 Because games are decided by how you use your abilities...? It's funny you say this because unfettered is *easier* to use than rage (you can cast it while disabled and it strong dispels you when it does. Rage requires you to pre-cast it, or cast it while they're attempting to cast their disable). Your point is self-defeating. And, no, when a facet has 44% winrate and the other has 55% winrate over hundreds of thousands of games, that is plenty to say that the one with 55% winrate is better lmao For the conclusion to be incorrect you have to be experiencing an unreal level of statistical deviation from the norm. Your questions about "do players itemize correctly" etc is a red herring, because *both* facets should have these issues.

Additionally, the splinter can target allies/creeps, so you don't have to miss 1 enemy creep when pushing lanes, but it also means if an ally is chasing an enemy ahead of you, you can splinter off your ally to slow them down, very useful to kill fleeing enemies