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I enjoyed this very much. Inspiring and crucial. I keep sharing it!

Thank you! This video was beautiful!

….A true pilgrimage of devotion and enlightenment. This account of their journey passes the deep knowing that there is more, much more, to experience on the spiritual path. Thank you Jeff, Grace and Aviv for sharing this interview.

A brilliant opening up of language and the part it has to play in us 'joining the dots' in ourselves!.

Thank you Jeff and Grace for sharing with us this amazing journey to the source of Ganges, it was totally riveting and psycho-active to join you as a listener in your life transformative experiences, as you dived deeper and deeper in a coherent emergent field of connection, love and healing, in service to the greater whole. May this journey never end...

Thank you 🙏 ❤

This was an incredible experience & significant broadcast. An experience I'm very glad to have not needed to experience personally, at least not yet 🤷‍♀️ but I'm extremely grateful that David could share his experience & what could be gained & gleaned from it as well as tremendous gratitude that he can actually personally share this with us here in the land of the living, while we live. Carpe diem, truly.

thank you very much for the intelligence conversation. I am left with the Question .Can these idea penetrate into the mainstream of the leading powers of the human race today before the unrequest result of the economy and ego based thinking will ruin the ecology that we live in. and with the hope that some intelligence will find its way into the right people and will make a change.

Brilliant work !

The issue of Trust in a collective / community situation is a fascinating one. And the aspects of Assumed Trust. The Building of Trust. The Breaking of Trust. The Rebuilding of Trust. The Loss of Trust. And the implications all of these may bring.

Thank you for this thought provoking conversation. I find very insightful Layman's intuition about the need of the function and archetype of the "shamanic disruptor", or of the "artistic provocateurs" who challenge and skate on the edge of the conventional layers of reality, especially in spiritual endeavors; people who instigate inner frictions that can cause moral and developmental growth. I agree that these people need to have challenged the prevailing paradigms and status quo first in themselves, to have built within them the necessary inner anti-biotics and energetic circuitries. This reminds me of the second metamorphosis of the spirit, as framed by Friedrich Nietzche in his book "Thus Spoke Zarathustra", where the first metamorphosis is the camel (hero), the weight-bearing spirit, that kneels down and wants to be well laden by the heaviest tasks, whilst the second metamorphosis is the lion (anti-hero), who wants to capture freedom and be lord to its own desert. The lion who once loved "thou shalt' as its holiest thing, now finds illusion and caprice even in the holiest, to create freedom for itself and a sacred "No", to make space for the third metamorphosis of the spirit, the child, whose innocence and forgetfulness, give birth to the sacred "Yes" and to new beginnings. Another reference about the role of the "dissidents" can be found in the allegory of the cave, in Plato's Republic, where a person manages to break the chains of mental enslavement of seeing only the shadows of things, gets out of the cave, where they meet a different reality, which compels them to try to return back in the cave to free the other prisoners. This person is faced with a double challenge, which Plato called "the double blindness", the first being when he/she gets out of the cave and needs to get accustomed to the real light, and the second blindness being when they return back to the cave and its darkness to free others. It seems then that good regulation both inner and outer are essential, where the transformative dynamic of disruption, may be coupled and operate hand in hand with a warm, embracing and stabilizing inclusion and empowerment, which can be likened to a double helix dance between a paternal and maternal expression. Thank you Aviv and Layman for opening new pathways...

expansive pathways brought close in…

Additionally the highest summits are never achieved by chance, but through our participatory journey upwards, one arduous step after another.

The beauty of mountains is they all point skywards defying gravity’s relentless pull. Their symbolic nature symbolise our human ability to ascend above the turbulence, challenges and limitations as humans. They steadfastly persist through the elements and steadfastly point towards the cosmos. This informs us that we can with assistance maintain an upward trajectory in life.

So much here to be with and take in at depth. I find myself healed, in the sense of confirmed, that deep listening with respect for each life, is very much alive and evolving in very powerful, yet quiet ways. Thank you to the Loves and to Aviv..another extraordinary example of the beauty that awaits us all.

Such a special and rich event and video! Thank you!

New wisdom is emerging. Clear and profound.thank you.

Very useful insights on the value of movement and causative to search for more understanding.

I did it i unlocked the secret ❤

Can the soul leave us during life due to bad life choices/drugs etc?

This audio/video and writing of chapter 2 is really profoundly psycho-active and healing. Thank you for sourcing these revelatory insights about the Soul's separation from its three-fold orchestration and its natural flow and unique configuration of qualities and qualia, and the creation of an autonomous shadow or Ghost as a compensatory act. Tracing and deeply understanding what actually happens, is maybe part of the cure.

Very lively,opening and revealing conversation,that gives a great sense about the life of the soul.many thanks.

To Kyriaki! Πάρα πολύ βοηθητικό το μάθημα και κάθε ένα από αυτά.Ο κόσμος που θέλει να διατηρήσει την αγνότητα και την ανθρωπιά σ' αυτόν τον πλανήτη,να ζήσει την ζωή που του δόθηκε με όλες τις ποιότητες, καί την ευθύνη για την συνέχεια της ζωής,θα σας είναι ευγνώμων,κι εγώ μαζί τους. Ευχαριστώ που υπάρχετε,ας προσπαθήσουμε να αλλάξουμε όλα τα κακώς κείμενα που δεν ανήκουν! Καλή δύναμη!❤🎉 Χριστίνα.

Wow, thank you both. Maybe the most in-depth conversation on the subject i have heard. Deserves more views and more likes. I can't help but wish psychedelics were systematically used for research in all academic disciplines.

Wonderful to hear this story and how we can be in harmony with our soul and our bodies / systems. Thank you!

to David ,thank you for sharing your moving experience and the many lessons learnt. may you have a swift recovery and healing.

This is such a vital conversation. Great to see you David, with your enriching life flow. Thank you for sharing this experience

Dementia has caused her to forget how to swallow, verbalize, doesn"t know who we are.

Right now, i'm praying for my dying mother. I pray she has peace of mind,body and soul.

Bethlehem- Faith Ann

Very interesting. 🤍❤️💙💛💚 Patrick it was great to hear you. It felt like the truth was speaking through you.🌈

Dear friends, listening to each of you brings joy to me. Have been elsewhere in focus for a little time and just wanted to return to this gathering of soul searchers to listen to your wonderful examples of life experience. May time not be too long before we shall engage again on zoom to share this wisdom-and-freedom-on-the-move. Simply wonderful so listen to you on screen.. From Sus/Esmeralda

Hello David, it's so good that you're back.. Thank you very much for sharing.. An important reminder of how to live every day. Thanks also to Aviv ..for the process and the important work on the portal.

Thank you for sharing this moving close to departure life story and experience, and the residues of wisdom and healing it distilled in you!

I found the wording interesting that the teacher has to turn her/his revelation into a "product" to attract students. That's where I find corruption can seep in during this age of materialism, capitalism, and making spiritual teaching into a business with a bottom line. I have only been able to rectify this for myself by serving others by donation. And have big resistance in codifying anything or making a product of my awakening. I am inquiring into the Truth and a new paradigm of spiritual transmission/teaching that honors our mutuality and also the exchange that takes place in a spiritual/healing relationship. Thank you for this lucid and important presentation and conversation.

What to do when you realize multiple cases of sexual abuse by a guru but no one in the community believes it, or worse: believes it and yet considers it irrelevant because of the attachment to the guru? It seems not merely a matter of rejecting the golden shadow but of exposing a system of corruption. There are gradations of ‘fallen’ for gurus, but with actual abuse one wants to tear the whole organization down. How can we honor the obvious [but partial] attainment of the guru in cases like this? *referring in this case to followers of vishwananda and his organization bhakti marga.

Oh how I would love to hear more questions about beaches experiences being the divine feminine and the suffering of mothers. What does he say bout their as an experience that widened his knowledge oneness.?

Isn't it true that when we look at a toddler, we know it will be able to walk, we know it will be able to speak, to sing, to run. So we know there are multiple design possibilities open to us human beings...Which then gets very interesting, because we do feel some experiences have more meaning and significance for our life. Mayne, we share the ability of the birds and the bees as they know how to pollinate flowers? Maybe, in a similar way, with the companionship of our soul, we can respond to its nudges that help us to pollinate our soul content, for it to be able to make connections to Higher influences that offer a deeper spiritual content? Thanks for your gentle opening to an important contemplation.

Thank you for opening up this fresh approach to considering healing. It offered so many perspectives and insights. I have practiced healing when the opportunity and need has presented itself, over 37 years. It would seem to have so much to do with states of mind, mine and the person's. Also, whether we are open that which heals. Healing is natural to us, but clearly not always available to us. So, what in us keeps it at distance?

I trust my soul completely , 🙏 so thankful for my love and compassion soul 🧡 , always here for me .

A truly groundbreaking conversation! Why do we put our teachers on a pedestal with great admiration, only to then deny and dethrone them, often with cruelty? Why we identify with the teacher, instead of seeking to connect with the source of light that illuminated the teacher? This is the first time I heard such an accurate and detailed trace of all the subtle dimensions, traps and pathologies as well as the liberating and learning opportunities for both the teacher and the student in this archetypal relationship. Only when we are able to raise our awareness and self authorship in all relationships that have to do with power dynamics, will we be able to create equitable scaffolds for a more fair, good and beautiful world, a new renaissance of an illuminated togetherness.

The Five Spirits is the only book I have gotten as a physical book, an audiobook and a kindle book. I love it.

When did civilization begin? Years ago, anthropologist Margaret Mead was asked by a student what she considered to be the first sign of civilization in a culture. The student expected Mead to talk about fishhooks or clay pots or grinding stones. But no. Mead said that the first sign of civilization in an ancient culture was a femur (thighbone) that had been broken and then healed. Mead explained that in the animal kingdom, if you break your leg, you die. You cannot run from danger, get to the river for a drink or hunt for food. You are meat for prowling beasts. No animal survives a broken leg long enough for the bone to heal. A broken femur that has healed is evidence that someone has taken time to stay with the one who fell, has bound up the wound, has carried the person to safety and has tended the person through recovery. Helping someone else through difficulty is where civilization starts, Mead said." We are at our best when we serve others. Be civilized. - Ira Byock.””

Really enjoyed this uplifting and thought provoking conversation!

Bringing the Soul into direct and personal freedom to engage with it from within tovwithin . How did we ever lose this freedom ?

It feels that the constant denial of support for healing through ancient ways has pu civilization back 10,000 years

What a gem of a conversation! Healing permeates through and through...To be able to pause, to embrace one's flaws and pains, to turn something bad into gold for oneself and others, to respond in not the predictable way...Thank you to these very wise and kind healing practitioners and humans for the unique seeding of a better possible future they do and embody in the now!

Love this site! So refreshing!✨

Love that this is becoming such an important subject, as It effects everyone on or has been or yet to arrive here within Earth