- 8
- 84 259
Bert Krages
United States
Registrace 22. 11. 2016
The Willamette Wake Boat Problem, Episode 2: The Wake Boats Strike Back
The longstanding claim by the wakesurfing community that education can negate the need for regulation belies the experience on the Newberg Pool portion of the Willamette River in Oregon. After years of effort at education and a wake energy study, the Oregon Legislature enacted reasonable restrictions on towed watersports in 2022 for this environmentally-vulnerable part of the river. Rather than wakesurf on nearby water bodies or use boats that may lawfully tow, the reaction of wake boat dealers and many owners has been to scoff at the requirements of SB 1589, at times circumventing its provisions and blatantly displaying violations on social media.
0:00 Introduction.
0:18 Senate Bill 1589.
0:56 The ban on wakesurfing.
1:20 The limit on boat weights
1:49 Violations of the weight limit.
2:39 The ban on using wake enhancing devices.
3:11 Wake boat dealers violating the law.
4:09 Knowledge of the requirements.
4:27 Vandalism.
4:58 Nearby water bodies where wakesurfing is lawful.
5:40 Boats that may lawfully tow on the Newberg Pool.
6:28 Conclusion.
0:00 Introduction.
0:18 Senate Bill 1589.
0:56 The ban on wakesurfing.
1:20 The limit on boat weights
1:49 Violations of the weight limit.
2:39 The ban on using wake enhancing devices.
3:11 Wake boat dealers violating the law.
4:09 Knowledge of the requirements.
4:27 Vandalism.
4:58 Nearby water bodies where wakesurfing is lawful.
5:40 Boats that may lawfully tow on the Newberg Pool.
6:28 Conclusion.
zhlédnutí: 5 479
Video
The Multiple Wake Boat Problem
zhlédnutí 7KPřed rokem
Recent and ongoing research regarding wake boats is providing useful quantitative information regarding important parameters such as wave energy. Nonetheless, it is important to be mindful that this research involves the effects of single wake boats. Because it is common to have several wake boats engaged in wake sports at a time, additional allowances for the increased energy inputs should be ...
Understanding Paddling and the Willamette River
zhlédnutí 886Před rokem
Paddling has become the most popular form of boating on the Willamette River. This video shows the history that made widespread paddling possible and provides an overview of the parts of the river, the requirements for paddlers, and basic safety. A good source of information about how to access the river and suggested trips can be found on the Willamette River Water Trail website. willamettewat...
200 Feet Is Not Responsible-Wakesurfing's Big Lie
zhlédnutí 28KPřed 2 lety
In response to complaints across the country about the damage caused by wake boats, the wakesurfing industry has resorted to misinformation in an attempt to dissuade state and local governments from imposing the kind of restrictions that are necessary to protect vulnerable water bodies and their shorelines, bottom habitats, and surrounding property. The cornerstone of the wakesurfing industry’s...
"Oregon Families for Boating" Is Not About Families
zhlédnutí 2,2KPřed 2 lety
Oregon Families for Boating is a political action committee formed by two wake boat dealers to combat legislation needed to protect the Willamette River from the environmental, property, and recreational resource damage caused by wakesurfing. Despite its name and pretenses, it represents a minuscule fraction of Oregon boaters. Although Oregon Families for Boating made massive expenditures on lo...
Wake Boats Wreck the Willamette
zhlédnutí 17KPřed 3 lety
Here is a brief description of the problems that wake boats have caused on the Willamette River. For a fuller exposition on the problems that wakesurfing and other wake sports cause when done inappropriately or on water bodies unsuited to such activities, see the videos on my CZcams channel.
The Willamette Wake Boat Problem
zhlédnutí 15KPřed 3 lety
Although complaints about the damage caused by wake boats have arisen across the country, the Willamette River in Oregon has been hit especially hard. Some limits have recently been placed on wakesurfing, wakeboarding, and tubing, but they do not directly address the concerns that wake sports are injuring and killing species of salmon and steelhead listed under the Endangered Species Act and di...
Welcome to the Willamette Ocean - How Wakesurfing Is Ruining the River
zhlédnutí 9KPřed 3 lety
This video was made in 2020 at a time when the large steep wakes generated by boats engaged in wakesurfing, wakeboarding, and tubing on the Willamette River were harming the environment, damaging shoreline property, and making other forms of recreational boating unpleasant, and at times hazardous. The goal of the video was to show the problems created by these boats and to bring needed attentio...
This guy has obviously never tried to wakesurf😂 it’s fun as crap guys they make the same size waves as a thunderstorm
This guy has obviously never tried to wakesurf😂 it’s fun as crap guys
Wakes Kill Lakes, Rivers too.
It's all about money. Shouldn't have even been able to make them.
“Get off my lawn kid!” You sound like a grumpy old man. Go complain about people watering their lawns or not picking up after their dogs. Boat waves in such a major waterway are NOT a big deal.
Bass boats with mercury 300s destroy the lake bank in my town just as much as a wake/ ski biat so..... Just tell everyone to not boat.....
Almost all those boats are below 5500 pounds. Not all those boats have a wedge just the Malibu products.
All the wake boats depicted have combined dry weight/ballast capacity exceeding 5500 pounds.
This is an incredible faulty "study". Didn't study regular boating or speed boating....? And the sale of Pavati Boat, is not the reason an Entire Indusrty is "Lying" Very Biased narration, not even qualified to be called a report. The boating entertainment has been happening for decades. This same argument was happening when wake boarding from a tower started. It's change... That's what people don't like.
hes not even on willamette lake goofy ass shut up
bro just wants clout 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
bros in yappington city 💀💀💀💀💀
stop hating and go out side and get a fucking life you idiot
what is blud yapping on about with his goofy old ass talking shit about wake boats 💀💀💀💀💀🤡🤡🤡☠
What a joke this is actually quite funny when your drinking!!
Wakes Kill Lakes
SHUT UP I DONT CARE WAKE BOATS DO NOTHING BITCH
get in a elder home your way to old
clout chaser
and you just want views
we do not care i dont care wake boats are cool you are a hater get off boy
If you own a wake boat, you’re gay
What happened to guys actually wake boarding doing bad ass tricks. Must take a lot of skill. Only thing I see now is people just basically standing there surfing. Boring.
These kids should get off the water and loot Walgreens like normal Oregon teens!
omg shut up
we dont care
Thank you for the Buyer’s Guide! The G23 with 2850# ballast sounds best!
Fuck Wake boats. For real. One of those things sunk my little fishing boat a month and a half ago and injured my friend. They didn't even stop and render help.
Annnd it’s gone
This is a joke. Let's be honest, it's not about protecting the lake from erosion or the environment. What's disgusting is that they're saying the wake boat owners are the rich a$$holes, when the reality of this legislation is that the homeowners are upset that their older docks and boat houses require what they deem as premature maintenance due to larger waves than the on-the-water structures were designed to withstand. The people with million-dollar properties are upset that they have to spend a few thousand to maintain their docks and boathouses, and like all people who own property on a body of water, they feel entitled to dictate how the water is used.
This is a joke. Let's be honest, it's not about protecting the lake from erosion or the environment. What's disgusting is that they're saying the wake boat owners are the rich a$$holes, when the reality of this legislation is that the homeowners are upset that their 20-year-old docks and boat houses require what they deem as premature maintenance due to larger waves than the on-the-water structures were designed to withstand. The people with million-dollar houses are upset that they have to spend a few thousand to maintain their docks and boathouses, and like all people who own homes on a body of water, they feel entitled to dictate how the water is used.
Wakes Kill Lakes
Boo hoo cry bout it
I used to live on the water and I'll agree that the energy travels quite a distance from the boats. But its a public trust. It's there for everyone. I think the buttercups just need to suck it up and they stay on smaller lakes for their recreation and homes. They chose to live on the water and wave action has always been there. If you don't like it, move.
I live on a 130 acre inland lake. Wake boats are destroying water quality. Secchi disc reading have gone from 19' to 11' in one month. Water is so turbid the fish can't find each other to breed. Swimming by middle summer is like swimming in the secondary digesters at your local wastewater treatment plant. Wakes Kill Lakes.
Ban them ASAP
7:45 “…generally blare the loudest music.” Ok Bert, your generalizations are proving your point as a joke.
This guy is a PUTZ. He’s likely subconsciously jealous that he cannot do something cool like wake surfing. Just kidding, I can understand his perspective. Although it is highly anal and overly exaggerating the “negative impacts.” I live near a real ocean though. Maybe this accounts for his lack of perspective on “waves.”
0:25 Ooohhh the big bad evil clip of waves making their impact!!
Around 2010 river frontage land owners on the Clarence River, Seelands, located in NSW Australia, noticed accelerating undercutting of riverbanks and loss of reed cover after the first purpose built wake boats arrived from America. This area had been a popular water-skiing and bass fishing area since the 1950's, with little impact on the environment. Following the 2013 floods, the undercut and unprotected river banks slumped resulting in massive land loss in areas heavily frequented by wake-boats. The wakeboating industry, local ski resort and Grafton City Council vigouriosly rejected requests from land owners and recreational boaters to ban wake boating from sensitive areas and relocate their activities to hard-walled reaches of the river. To placate the wakeboating lobby, Grafton City Council partly commissioned the NSW University Water Research Laboratory to do a scientific study on the effects man made wakes have on the Clarence River riverbanks. The study concluded that wake-boated should be immediately banned in erosion sensitive reaches of the river, identified as being unsuitable for deliberate wake making activities and only allowed wake-boats to opperate where the riverbanks had natural hard walls or man made reinforcing structures. After countless delaying tactics by the wake-boating lobby and Grafton City Council, NSW Boating Council funds of more than $5m were allocated to undertake reinforcing and remedial riverbank works ... and "No Slow Tow" zones were introduced in the most erosion sensitive reaches of the river. This allowed conventional watersking, recreational fishing and general boating activities to contiue unrestricted, but made deliberate slow tow wake boarding and wake surfing activities prohibited. The Clarence River has since endured many floods, including the record breaking 2022 events and I'm happy to report the riverbank reinforcing and "No Slow Tow" zoning have been a success in limiting deliberate wake making riverbank erosion.
Doesn't surprise me, you get enough of these boats out there it becomes chaos.
I can only imagine how he feels about mountain bikers or rock climbing. Sierra Club member much?
Those activities aren't even remotely the same as these massive wake boats, quit the nonsense.
Wake boats are the worst water craft design ever !! Lake shore line is being destroyed on a historic scale…
😂 poor baby
Bunch of pus*ies, go to a tree hugger lake that doesn’t allow boats on it if you don’t like it
That's BS! This became a problem because there are too many of them now, it's just non stop these days and it's becoming a hazard. It's like anything, people always find a way to F a good thing up.
Typical Democrat If o don’t like it or have it nobody should
This is far from objective. “Shame study is insulting. You need to explain what is wrong with the calculations.. You cherry picking studies and taking things out of context. There are many peer reviewed studies that examine wind drive waves and wakes which conclude boats are a trivial part of shore erosion. The St Anythoy’s Fall study also has significant errors and was funded by anti wake boat advocates. All power craft (ski boats, fiberglass deck boats with 10 people on board and even PWC) have the potential to do damage. The constrictive interference of waves from people tubing are just as large as wake boats. There is no excuse for poor behavior but it is not limited to wake boats.
If you would like to read an independent review of the scientific literature regarding the effects of wake sports, the Michigan Department of Natural Studies published its report in 2023. See tinyurl.com/5yu2tw6j. One could easily produce a video lasting 30 minutes or more pointing out the serious flaws with the industry-funded computer modeling project, but such a video would not likely be all that interesting to most people. Furthermore, the field studies documenting the real-world effects of wake sports are far more compelling. The St. Anthony Falls study was crowd funded and the Willamette River study was funded by the Oregon Legislature.
@@bertkrages3999 I have a PhD in Chem Eng, am on the faculty of UW- Madison and was elected to the US National Academy of Engineering. I am highly competent in fluid mechanics. I have read all the various papers include the best work out of Australia which has been going on over 30 years. I agree the computation study has issues as does the St Anthony Falls study. The various DNR agencies in MI, etc are not experts in fluid mechanics. Wave height is inadequate to describe potential shore erosion. Wave power and total wave energy over time are required. All but one study show boat wakes contribute less than 5% of the wave energy hitting a shore following multi year studies. Even the one study from Canada that found 63% acknowledged their 5 months study was not consistent with studies conducted over years.
@@BillBanholzer-my6mx Do you mind sharing a roll-up of the relevant studies, getting ready to have this exact argument.
@@jasonshafferman7311 Hi Jason. The best data comes from McFarlane in Australia. They have been looking at wakes for 30 years. It is true wake boats produce large wakes at the boat but they have comprehensive data that shows at 200-300 feet the wave energy (which is what counts in errosion) is significantly attenuated. Two good references are: Zabawa C, Ostrom C. 1980. Final report on the role of boat wakes in shore erosion in Anne Arundel County, Maryland. Maryland: Tidewater Administration, Maryland Department of Natural Resources. They studies 5 sites over 2 years and wake energy from boats ~5-10% of wind, except when boats were < 200 feet from shore and then only 20% . The other relevant reference is 15 Knutson PL, Allen HH, Webb JW. 1990. Guidelines for vegetative erosion control on wave-impacted coastal dredged material sites. Technical Report D 90-13. Vicksburg (MS): Army Engineer Waterway Experiment Station, Environmental Laboratory. Which found "“wind-generated waves were 10 times more frequent than were boat-generated waves. Boat waves are probably responsible for less than 5 percent of the wave energy impacting this site”. St Anthony Falls lab in MN, is often cited by those arguing against wake boats despite the fact their wave energy calculations are 2-8 X those others calculate for the same size waves. That lab did another study about wind and state "“Shoreline Erosion is driven mainly by wind-generated wave energy” I hope this helps. I have a rebutal to all the nonsense that is out there with more detail but it is too lengthy to post as a comment. I don't know how to get it you.
@@bertkrages3999 I have read MI DNR study. They cite seriously flawed studies. For example, their first two cited references from WEC calculate wave energies that are 40 X off. They have values of 17,621 ft-lb/ft. at 100 feet. That is ridiculous. McFarlane and others show it is <450 ft-lb/ft. Similarly, the St Anthony Falls study you reference finds wave heights similar to others but also calculates wave energies that are 2-8 X too high. An independent review needs to be more than a survey of the literate. It requires technical competence in fluid/wave mechanics to allow someone to critically analyze and sort the data, not just regurgitate the paper's statements The industry-funded study I believe you are referring to is Coty Fay published in the Journal of Water Resource and Protection, 2022, 14, 238-272. You need to explain the technical errors, not just say it is wrong because it is industry funded. That same argument would suggest the St. Anthony Falls study is implicitly biased since the crowdfunding was from anti-wake boaters. That is not a technical argument. The Coty Fay study is a numerical simulation that has limitations but is useful for examining features near the boat, like prop wash. The work by McFarlane and Cox at the Australian Maritime College is not industry-funded and has decades of experiments to substantiate their models. They were the reviewers for the Marr et. al St Anythony Falls MN study. I am not arguing that Wake Boats don't have the potential for damage. But so does any heavy boat. Any 20-23-foot boat with a lot of people in it will generate a big wake. Wake is set by length, displament and speed. McFarlane included a fishing boat that created wake energies right in the middle of the wake boats. My argument is that there is plenty of data to show that if a wake boat is 200-300 feet from shore, the wake is not causing shore erosion. Large waves attenuate quickly. Responsible captains should not be operating closer than 200-300 feet from shore or any other boat. Regarding safety, again, operator error is the key. In WI, in the 10+ years Wake boats have been around, there are no reported citations or incidents of Wake boats, but there are dozens of incident reports /yr for PWCs, fishing, and other pleasure boats. Finally, on AIS, that is a real issue for ALL watercraft. The residual water in a wake boat is 0.01%. It is less than that retained in a stern drive.
We need more wakeboarders less surfers
I need those stickers
Fuck that river
Industries only fund research defending themselves when they know that they have a problem.
What about big cruisers? This is just hate on wakeboats.
Totally different scenarios and wakeboats are producing much larger wakes then cruisers and they do so by going in circles and remaining in the same area non stop where cruisers just pass through on occasion.
What if the same energy was directed at the homeless boats who aren’t licensed and pollute the river every day?
What Bert Krages doesn’t tell you is that he was principal involved in writing this legislation and getting it pass-through in the 11th hour. What also fails to mention is that he stalks boaters in the Newburgh pool tubing, wakeboarding and wake surfing. He takes photos and lobbies to state to find them for the activities. The video above has many of his videos he’s taken from the shoreline or in his kayak. Keep in mind he is a private citizen with no law enforcement training. Amazing
Being intelligent legally disqualifies someone from being a police officer. You overestimate their "training". www.ojp.gov/ncjrs/virtual-library/abstracts/jordan-v-city-new-london-policing-hiring-and-iq-when-all-answers
That's a perfectly lawful thing to do when boaters are violating posted no wake zones.
This feels like a targeted accusation of Wake boats, its not the boats as much, I know many GOOD wake boat owners who operate consciously about others, but I also no A-holes that think they own the lake, and they created just as much conflict before owning a wake boat with a ski-natique..
What I am saying is it doesnt take a wake boat to be an A-hole
It's not about any one wakeboat owner, it's the fact there are simply too many these days. Everything was fine for many years, but when you go from 10 to 20 to 30 to 50 of these things out there, it just becomes a hazard.