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Modern vs. Old School Signal Integrity w/ Donald Telian
**Modern vs. Old School Signal Integrity w/ Donald Telian**
Explore the fascinating evolution of signal integrity in PCB design with industry expert Donald Telian. In this episode of the Altium OnTrack podcast, Donald delves into the differences between modern and old school signal integrity, sharing invaluable insights from his illustrious career. Learn about IBIS modeling, high-speed design, and the critical advancements that have shaped the industry.
💡 Learn More About Donald:
- Website: siguys.com/
- LinkedIn: www.linkedin.com/in/donald-telian-siguys/
- Book: www.amazon.com/Signal-Integrity-Practice-Practical-Engineers/dp/B09NWL171T
- Class: electronicsmasterclass.regfox.com/signal-integrity-in-practice
- Articles: www.signalintegrityjournal.com/authors/4-donald-telian
- Gen5 (25+ Gbps) Design: siguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/02/DesCon23_PAPER_Track7_PCIeGen5SignalIntegrityImplemenation_Telian.pdf
-Gen4 (10+ Gbps) Design : siguys.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/01/2014_DesignCon_MovingToHigherDataRates_paper.pdf
💡 Donald's CZcams Classes:
- 3-min intro: czcams.com/video/AwkJo-yBWo0/video.html
- 29-min detail: czcams.com/video/YoOwy7y0Lto/video.html
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The Altium Academy is an online experience created to bring modern education to PCB Designers and Engineers all across the world. Here you can access a vast library of free training and educational content covering everything from basic design to advanced principles and step-by-step walkthroughs. Join industry legends as they share their career knowledge, review real-life design projects, or learn how to leverage one of Altium's leading design tools. No matter your level of experience, the Altium Academy can help you become a better Designer and Engineer!
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0:00 Intro
1:16 Donald's Background
4:21 Industry Speed Evolution
5:25 New School Vs. Old School Signal Integrity
9:45 Who Handles Signal Integrity?
13:42 The Two Sides of SI
17:21 Bandwidth Requirement Challenges
21:24 IBIS Modeling Overview
25:59 Model Quality
32:46 Donald's Experience with Teaching Classes
39:12 Donald Wants Class Suggestions!
43:00 5K Run?
46:00 Wrapping Up
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Komentáře

  • @caspersflorian
    @caspersflorian Před dnem

    22:26.4?

  • @AltiumAcademy
    @AltiumAcademy Před 2 dny

    👉 Want to learn how to make these libraries? Check it out here: czcams.com/video/bOi45nshqP8/video.html

  • @HackeraS60
    @HackeraS60 Před 2 dny

    🔥🔥🔥

  • @spruce1000
    @spruce1000 Před 2 dny

    So Altium can generate IPC-2581 but not view the output? Great😅 #halfbaked

  • @victor-oh
    @victor-oh Před 2 dny

    Looks like a cool way to place a diode?

  • @mfbaba1467
    @mfbaba1467 Před 3 dny

    Dear zack, a 250 to 900 v input and 24, 18 V and 12 V multi output flyback gas been designed for powering up a pwm unit followed by auxiliary power needs. Switching frequency is 80 KhZ. For these extreme step down conversion ratio some times the switch is getting damaged, though it is equipped with RCD-R snubber. Any suggestion from your side to troubleshoot this concern.

  • @scottpelletier1370
    @scottpelletier1370 Před 3 dny

    Is the default 2500 value for polygon island removal a good?

  • @patrickrostami
    @patrickrostami Před 4 dny

    hi @Zachariah-Peterson i see in some designs that they make a chassis using 1KV or higher capacitor with 1MΩ resistor connected to the main ground is that correct way for that?

  • @OMNI_INFINITY
    @OMNI_INFINITY Před 4 dny

    Reminds of the type of people that were more common in silicon valley about. a calendar decade ago...before mba and india locusts downgraded the historical bright-eyed giddy engineers scene there.

    • @AlbertRei3424
      @AlbertRei3424 Před 3 dny

      Can't you compete with indians? Then go back studying. Why do they prefer hiring indians? There is a reason.

  • @alexanderquilty5705

    I believe the last pads at the end are a style of Net Ties.

  • @jagadishk4513
    @jagadishk4513 Před 5 dny

    They are called solder bridges, not stylistic 😅

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 4 dny

      I've never seen a solder bridge created like that. I've always done it as two semi-circles, I guess that's just my stylistic choice.

    • @jagadishk4513
      @jagadishk4513 Před 4 dny

      @@Zachariah-Peterson I have seen it only in KiCad, never seen them in altium

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 4 dny

      @@jagadishk4513 In Altium you have to make it custom with the copper drawing tools, but it's easy to make, we did a video on it awhile ago

    • @minozemstan
      @minozemstan Před 3 dny

      @@Zachariah-Peterson STM uses them on their dev boards.

  • @hacksolot2
    @hacksolot2 Před 5 dny

    the peculiar pads for that "component" are jumper pads, with the triangle shape designating a normally open pad

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 4 dny

      I've always done that kind of jumper as semi-circles rather than triangles, that way the edges align with the straight edge of the bottom lead on the component package. In my opinion a triangle shape makes no sense.

    • @aniketandraskar
      @aniketandraskar Před 4 dny

      ​​@@Zachariah-PetersonI believe they went for stylistic points on that device also serving as a solder jumper, I do that too sometimes when the design allows, I like seeing them on my PCBs lol.

  • @saeedkizzy
    @saeedkizzy Před 5 dny

    "Fill and cap feature on Altium" very good tips thanks

  • @saintkashi
    @saintkashi Před 5 dny

    audio volume is very low

  • @yusufsecilmis-jv3zt

    Thank you Altium Academy :)

  • @AltiumAcademy
    @AltiumAcademy Před 5 dny

    Want your design reviewed by Zach? Reach out to him on LinkedIn with your design and production files for a chance to be featured on our channel: www.linkedin.com/in/zachariah-peterson/

  • @yuriidemchyna3527
    @yuriidemchyna3527 Před 6 dny

    Ferrite filters are used for noise reduction in signal lines, because they can cancel out common noise which is impossible for all of the above mentioned. In some cases you don't need to filter out DC spikes and I was wondering how you will apply a filter which will attenuate a signal by 3 times. Then you will have 1.3 volts instead of 5. What was the point of those simulations?

  • @ghlscitel6714
    @ghlscitel6714 Před 6 dny

    Is there no NEC antenna simulation out there which can help designing the inverted F antenna?

  • @RedbeardtheEngineer

    Awesome video, Thank you.

  • @vlad_kach_
    @vlad_kach_ Před 6 dny

    High speed signal propagation - advanced black magic

  • @TheRevenant-pn2xi
    @TheRevenant-pn2xi Před 6 dny

    Altium should support KiCAD's built-in schematics and footprint libraries. They are literally perfect and is such a time saver. The standard libraries that used to come with altium is now only available when you activating and linking a 365 Workspace, which just makes me wanna cuss!

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 5 dny

      Have you tried the Manufacturer Part Search panel?

    • @TheRevenant-pn2xi
      @TheRevenant-pn2xi Před 5 dny

      @@Zachariah-Peterson yes I have. While it's a great feature, the parts imported are not consistent in style, its not straightforward reusing them in other projects, and it's sometimes difficult to find derivatives of a component (say an 8 pin header instead of 7). KiCAD's way of solving this is decoupling schematics and footprints. You've got your beautiful symbols, then your footprints as a standalone. You want a pin connector with a different pitch? An SMD passive in 0603 instead? A BNC coax instead of SMA? Your custom made IC symbol is basically a QFN-16? Just choose the appropriate footprint. These are all stuff which you can re-model in altium, but it's just great that its built-in already. Altium has an equivalent "Footprint Wizard" which is awesome. But you still have to do it yourself kinda and I'd love if KiCAD footprint and schematic libraries are importable into Altium. Please Zach, send this request to the altium dev team! 😄

  • @phillip4833
    @phillip4833 Před 6 dny

    Why can I not simply move items from the part search into my library and edit the existing files Altium provides. Why must I down load or use the cloud system to do what I believe to be a simple application

  • @fadielnel
    @fadielnel Před 6 dny

    Hi Zach, Thanks for the nice video. Just a question, if I may...let us assume an additional signal GND is needed on the secondary side, how do you deal with this? Do you use the same Y-rated CAP to connect it to earth, or do you use a net tie between itself and the secondary GND which is already connected to earth via a Y-rated CAP? Thanks for your insights!

  • @cheersgreetings1970

    thanks very much, is there a way to get some net list?

  • @alexanderquilty5705

    What style symbols do you adhere to? I have decided to use the IPC Land Pattern standards but I can't find anything about Symbols except for IEEE-315/ANSI.

  • @Dukel192
    @Dukel192 Před 7 dny

    Hi Zack, when talking about calculating the propagation constant. Just to clarify, you are talking about the rise/fall time frequency right, not a clock or signal frequency? The frequency would be about 0.35/Tr?

  • @andykan9281
    @andykan9281 Před 7 dny

    I am using Altium 22. After I clicked 'commit' showed at 1:47, I saw an SVN error "is not a working copy". I also tried to create a new test project and repeated the steps, however it did not work. May I know how can I solve it?

    • @andykan9281
      @andykan9281 Před 7 dny

      Update: I was adding the project to a repository under the local Google drive directory made offline and it failed. I successfully added the project to a real local C:/ directory. I am still seeking methods to work with Google drive.

  • @chrisbradley3224
    @chrisbradley3224 Před 7 dny

    Very interesting and pertinent. Well worth the listen. Not a lot of embedded or edge discussion out there.

  • @Microcontroller-Desing

    Greetings from Mexico, city of Acapulco... I'm just learning to use ALTIUM and I see that it is a magnificent program. Soon he will be an expert like you.

  • @AltiumAcademy
    @AltiumAcademy Před 7 dny

    👉 Want to learn how to make these libraries? Check it out here: czcams.com/video/bOi45nshqP8/video.html

  • @ricardostocker2012
    @ricardostocker2012 Před 7 dny

    Conclusion Implementing logarithmic and optimized calculations on edge devices with limited resources can significantly improve efficiency and performance. By following these strategies, you can develop robust and efficient solutions that make the most of limited hardware capabilities.

  • @deangreenhough3479
    @deangreenhough3479 Před 8 dny

    I’m only half way through the video. But had to comment to say this is well worth a watch. Great interview, well done gentlemen. ✅

  • @alirezarostamifard6404

    Afrojack talking style😅

  • @eric3skywalker913
    @eric3skywalker913 Před 9 dny

    I have a PCB dxf with hundreds of holes and can't get to convert it , any suggestions for a boardshape that includes many holes?

  • @esijal
    @esijal Před 9 dny

    Excellent presentation 🙏🙏

  • @jimmyji8339
    @jimmyji8339 Před 9 dny

    for that ADC example, even with a GHz Sample rate ADC, it would still be able to capture low frequency products. So anyway we need to split AGND and DGND right?

  • @AltiumAcademy
    @AltiumAcademy Před 9 dny

    👉 Want to watch the full convo? Check it out here (Releasing 06/11/24 at 8am PST): czcams.com/video/1tgnLa7GkFk/video.html

  • @samratroy1487
    @samratroy1487 Před 10 dny

    I was using a ferrite bead pi circuit filter for a converter but was getting some issues with conductive emissions, so increased the capacitance and replaced the ferrite bead with inductor but still getting noise around 500kHz. Anyone any suggestions?

  • @schmitzbeats6102
    @schmitzbeats6102 Před 11 dny

    I think the parameters of the "model" of that bead is flawed. Isn't the parallel resistor a tad small and your parallel capacitance a tad high?! Looking at the LTSpice Model parameters for parts that have an inductance in the 150nH range (Würth 742792097) gives me 35 ohms and 800f as in FEMPTO farads. Nowhere near 1.5n... Also you are unlikely encounter a scenario where there is no additional capacitance like 100n decoupling near the load or somewhere towards the power source.

  • @davidridgway4504
    @davidridgway4504 Před 11 dny

    I just watched your video on not using ferritin beads. No comments on using those in this design?

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 11 dny

      When we filmed I'm sure I went on a rant about it but we only have 1 minute on these, sometimes remarks do not make it into these videos.

  • @87Spectr
    @87Spectr Před 11 dny

    Thanks for video! 1. Inductor has parasitic capacity, capacitor has parasitic inductance. You draw only equivalent scheme of FB... Is this not important? 2. LC-filter will be effective in high frequency when his cut off freq = 100kHz, and DC 2..3A ? it means that inductor and caps are big sizes, big parasitic.

  • @batuhanyavasoglu5795
    @batuhanyavasoglu5795 Před 11 dny

    Anyone knows a video that shows how to make things for the en of the project

  • @nir76
    @nir76 Před 11 dny

    Why use 10Ohm series resistor in a power filter? In the last example drawing 1A it will drop 10V...how does this make any sense?

  • @Fisch4678
    @Fisch4678 Před 11 dny

    Thank you for the nice video :) I agree that the damping of an LC filter is generally better than that of a ferrite bead filter. But a real-world inductor will also have some parasitic capacitance, which will dominate at frequencies above the self-resonance-frequency (SRF). So the AC transfer characteristic of a real-world LC filter will also be messed up at high frequencies... just like the ferrite bead. Furthermore, a real-world capacitor will also have some parasitic inductance, which will further degrade the filter's performance at high frequencies in each of the three designs. I sometimes add a ferrite bead pi-filter on the output of a DC/DC converter to provide some damping for high-frequency noise (frequencies at which the regular LC filter of the converter doesn't work due to the parasitics). All the ferrite beads I've come across have a specified bandwidth of 100MHz, not 10MHz. My intuition always was, that an inductor with a similar SRF must necessarily have a very low inductance, which results in an increased cut-off frequency of the filter compared to the ferrite bead. Thus, if I can trade off the worse damping for a lower cut-off frequency, the ferrite will do better. Your video really made me think about my past design choices and I will definitely do some more simulations in the future :)

  • @Rubacava_
    @Rubacava_ Před 12 dny

    You also have to account for series resistance and the load current. Ferrite is basically an inductor + resistor. It doens't have that resonance but you can only power so much with it. It is usually cheaper and smaller too so it still has its uses.

  • @FriedemannSchmidt-te9kq

    Can you please carry out a simulation with higher capacitor values, with at least 10µF?

  • @sjwpcbdesign
    @sjwpcbdesign Před 12 dny

    So, the big question is this, why continue to manufacturer ferrite beads if they provide no benefit according to simulations. What actual use case does a ferrite bead serve?

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 11 dny

      Well in a way they do provide a benefit in a very specific situation, which I outlined in another video. That specific situation is when you need to limit high frequency noise in a very specific band from reaching a load when that load only operates at DC. Not a lot of loads will operate like this however.

    • @sjwpcbdesign
      @sjwpcbdesign Před 11 dny

      @@Zachariah-Peterson So basically they can be equivalent to a notch filter except they prepackage for a specific frequency based on bead parameters. Other than being a single SMD would it not be better just to create a notch with a few discrete components and be done with it. Just stop producing the beads and let people produce the notch in a traditional manner. This would then make clear what to do in DC systems.

  • @rfrisbee1
    @rfrisbee1 Před 12 dny

    The main difference between a ferrite bead and an inductor when used as a filter is that the ferrite bead, if chosen correctly, will convert the noise energy into heat, whereas an inductor will just cause it to slosh around until some other lossy element(s) in the circuit convert it to heat. The complicated part in the above is the "if chosen correctly". The noise energy must fall within the lossy frequency range of the bead and the bead must be modelled at the DC current it is going to run at, as the parameters change with current! As for datasheets, well we can't even get manufacturers to stop recommending parallel 10nF + 1uF (or similar) surface mount capacitors for IC decoupling, when using a single 1uF ceramic surface mount capacitor would be better (cost, size, performance) in the vast majority of cases. Good luck getting them to stop recommending the use of ferrite beads on power rails to ICs!

  • @TheDutchGuyOnYT
    @TheDutchGuyOnYT Před 12 dny

    Can somebody put a ferrite between Altium and the stupid idea to cancel perpetual maintenance? I’m very angry.

    • @TheDigital19
      @TheDigital19 Před 11 dny

      in a few years when they have lost a ton of customers they hopefully realize that this was their biggest mistake in history

  • @ChrisMayfield51291
    @ChrisMayfield51291 Před 12 dny

    your analysis ignores the fact that the damped LC circuit has a considerable loss at lower frequencies and lower loads due to the series resistance. you're attempting to power the load with 5V, but only 1.67V is making it to the load (in the 5ohm case) due to most of the voltage being dropped across the 10 ohm resistor. I would say the ferrite bead is still a better alternative in the examples provided as the 5V DC actually makes it fully to the load and removing the series resistance on the LC circuit re-introduces the resonant peaking.

    • @Zachariah-Peterson
      @Zachariah-Peterson Před 11 dny

      Well you're pointing out that at this bead resistance value it's similar to having high intentionally placed series resistance, kind of like the damping placement that Steve Sandler mentions in one of his posts (I showed it in another video). The difference is the band in which you notice that resistance, does it need to happen in DC or in AC near a specific frequency? I think this explains why once you dampen the bead and you replace it with an equivalent pi filter, there is little impact due to the fact you have intentionally placed damping resistance.