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Warfare Research Series (Episode 3): Lamellar Revisited
Episode 3 link: czcams.com/video/RKqJdmwa1wo/video.html
In our third installment of the Warfare Research Series, we rematch the Chinese lamellar armor we tested in our inaugural episode. The armor panel, provided by Caesar Zhang of Cathay Armory, consists of laced-together, one millimeter steel plates (two millimeters in overlapping sections). Lamellar offers a unique combination of protection and mobility and was widely used in Asia and beyond. The armor proved to be exceedingly tough in our first test, and thus it has been both a frequent request--and a personal quest for the both of us--to have another go at it. If you haven't already, we encourage you to watch our first outing versus the armor for context: czcams.com/video/8JCWqsZoNtA/video.html.
This time around, we are generating greater kinetic energy and momentum, and sporting significant arrow upgrades: three types of hand-crafted, replica Ming-era arrowheads researched by antique arms scholar and trader Peter Dekker, forged by arrowsmith John Lamb, and fletched by master fletcher John Potter.
How will the results differ?
TABLE OF CONTENTS
00:00 Intro and Background
02:27 Hardness test of metals
04:03 Equipment
05:01 Tests
13:33 Analysis and Final Thoughts
17:07 Ackowledgments
NOTE: Detailed on-video measurements of the bows and arrows we are using in this episode (poundage, arrow mass, chronographing, etc.) can be found here: Blake (czcams.com/video/dxm2t5Hq3B0/video.htmlm24s) and Justin (czcams.com/video/dxm2t5Hq3B0/video.htmlm44s).
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[Warfare Research Series EXTRA] Long-form Interivew: Caesar Zhang
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In this long-form interview with armor provider Caesar Zhang from our 2nd episode, "Ming Arrows vs Chinese Brigandine," we discuss the origins of brigandine armor in China, the differences in construction across dynasties, brigandine in other cultures, the relevance of the accompanying cloth patterns, how brigandine compares to other types of Chinese armor, such as lamellar, and more. CZcams li...
[Warfare Research Series EXTRA] Long-form Interview: Peter Dekker and John Lamb
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What are the benefits of tanged vs socketed arrowheads? How did Viking tangs compare to Chinese tangs? Which shape arrowhead got famously lodged in a Chinese general's jaw? How crucial is arrowhead composition when it comes to piercing armor? We ask the experts in this Warfare Research Series extra (czcams.com/video/lXKJYJwrmAM/video.html), a long-form version of our interview with Peter Dekker...
First practice w/ 143# (99.7% body weight)
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First practice shooting a 143#@28.25" bow (99.7% of my body weight) with Ming-Chinese thumb draw technique (Gao Ying). czcams.com/video/iC2v_akhsAg/video.html Bow: 143#@28.25" Tiron (55" model) by Misko Rovcanin Practice arrow: 1855 grains by Albertus Wartono Thumb ring: Vermil Lantern Why? Because we want to answer "What is possible?" with carefully selected technique. It is absolutely unneces...
Early practice with 138# (96% body weight)
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I demonstrate shooting a 138#@28.25" bow (96% of my body weight) with Ming-Chinese thumb draw technique (Gao Ying). czcams.com/video/KU5D_ZKeRwU/video.html 138#@28.25" Tiron (55" model) by Misko Rovcanin. Practice arrow (1855 grains) by Albertus Wartono. Why? Because we want to answer "What is possible?" with carefully selected technique. It is absolutely unnecessary for most archers to shoot t...
How to estimate if a thumb ring will fit before buying it (caliper preset & squeeze method)
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How to estimate if a thumb ring will fit before buying it (caliper preset & squeeze method)
Ambidextrous thumb ring practice with 131# bow
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Just a snapshot of current training progress from the last month.
[Warfare Research Series EXTRA] How do our results apply to horn bows?
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After our episode on "Ming Arrows vs Chinese Brigandine", people asked: "How do your results apply to horn bows?" And so we are taking a first pass at answering that question (link to this video: czcams.com/video/8_WLqQhZBMY/video.html). We introduce a methodology for comparing the expected outputs of horn bows and modern-material Asiatic bows side by side. The answer? With current data, we bel...
Warfare Research Series (Episode 2): Ming Arrows vs Chinese Brigandine
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Episode 2 of the Warfare Research Series features Justin Ma and Blake Cole using thumb draw with 110# Asiatic war bows (by Misko Rovcanin of MR Bows) to shoot carefully recreated Ming-era war arrows against Chinese brigandine armor. This episode takes a documentary approach to exploring the history behind both the armor and the arrows. It includes interviews with armor provider and researcher, ...
[Trailer] Warfare Research Series Episode 2: Ming Arrows vs Chinese Brigandine
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UPDATE: Full episode available now! czcams.com/video/dxm2t5Hq3B0/video.html The Way of Archery is excited to announce that the second installment of its Warfare Research Series, "Ming Arrows vs Chinese Brigandine," is set to release soon. This episode will feature Justin Ma and Blake Cole using thumb draw with 110# Asiatic war bows (by Misko Rovcanin of MR Bows) to try to pierce Chinese brigand...
140+ Joules from a pair of Asiatic war bows
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In the context of warfare, an arrow with high kinetic energy is important. Blake Cole and Justin Ma demonstrate a couple different ways to meet a kinetic energy benchmark: 112#@34"-from-back draw with 68" bow at 13.2 gpp in Blake's test, 129#@28.25"-from-back draw with 55" bow at 12.1 gpp in Justin's test. Link: czcams.com/video/4Ewya UQ5c/video.html In the end, both approaches produce an arrow...
Ming Xiaoshao Horn Bow, 114#@28.25" (Koppedrayer)
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In this video, I perform some measurements and share data for a Ming Xiaoshao style horn composite bow made by Jaap Koppedrayer. At 114#@28.25", we get speeds up to 248 ft/s for a 466-grain arrow. Full video (including arrows 466 to 1560 grains) here: czcams.com/video/KFcstuaf9Go/video.html. Ming Chinese archery teacher Gao Ying recommended an arrow-mass-to-bow-draw-weight ratio of 5.25 grains-...
Ambi 129#
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Ming Chinese sources such as Wu Bei Yao Lue (www.atarn.org/chinese/horseback/Cheng Ziyi.htm), as well as the writings of Li Chengfen, described ambidextrous shooting as a desirable skill to develop especially in the context of archery on horse. The Ming Chinese author Gao Ying didn't explicitly say one _had_ to practice both sides, but in his middle years he did switch to shooting left-handed t...
The Release
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The Release is crucial because it is the last part in the shooting process where you can influence the trajectory of the arrow for better or for worse. This tutorial will help you identify and develop a good, expanding release. Contents: 00:00 Intro 01:35 Three kinds of release: abrupt, collapsing, expanding 06:30 Follow through 10:08 Training tips: 10:15 - Classic Chinese saying 11:02 - 120% e...
123# Ambidextrous Verified (MR Bows Tiron)
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123.8#@28.25" Tiron (60" model) by Misko Rovcanin (MR Bows)
Waist Cable Stringing Method
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Waist Cable Stringing Method
123# Verified (Despot by MR Bows)
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123# Verified (Despot by MR Bows)
116# Verified (Despot by MR Bows)
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116# Verified (Despot by MR Bows)
The Draw
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The Draw
Preview of Warfare Research Series Episode 2
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Preview of Warfare Research Series Episode 2
The Bow Shoulder
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The Bow Shoulder
Warfare Research Series (Episode 1): Chinese Lamellar
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Warfare Research Series (Episode 1): Chinese Lamellar
100# Slow Draw Exercise
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100# Slow Draw Exercise
115# Bow by Misko Rovcanin
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115# Bow by Misko Rovcanin
Arrows for Asiatic Archery
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Arrows for Asiatic Archery
Demonstrating Long Distance Technique
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Demonstrating Long Distance Technique
War Bow Speed Challenge: Update & Final Thoughts
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War Bow Speed Challenge: Update & Final Thoughts
108# bow by Jaap Koppedrayer
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108# bow by Jaap Koppedrayer
Thinking About Getting An Asiatic Bow?
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Thinking About Getting An Asiatic Bow?
How Fast Can You Shoot A 100# War Bow?
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How Fast Can You Shoot A 100# War Bow?

Komentáře

  • @Lessonswithsenseimatt

    Thank You Very informative 🎯

  • @matthewmaxcy1574
    @matthewmaxcy1574 Před 12 dny

    This video has helped me immensely in my draw and release..thank you.

  • @BaroqueViolin
    @BaroqueViolin Před 15 dny

    Very interesting! Thank you!

  • @badasshaiti
    @badasshaiti Před měsícem

    As an armchair anthropologist I've seen this release posture in way more than just a few cultures. I appreciated the elephant hunter being added to the mix, to give a hint of how universal or ergonomic this is. In fact I found this channel because someone mentioned this video in a comment on a trebuchet vs longbow video, in which Joe Gibbs' posture grabbed my attention. I have pretty thorough working knowledge of human torso muscles, so when I saw Joe draw and release I knew I was looking at the same thing I'd seen elsewhere, and also knew it was NOT what I had done when drawing bows in my limited archery experience. I had noticed the weakness of the lifting draw that I saw other amateurs doing, but I'd only ever done straight draw, and never tilting to get balance in the back while leveling the trajectory. Now I'm just dying to get my hands on a bow.

  • @maxyakubovsky5193
    @maxyakubovsky5193 Před měsícem

    amazing info thank you, great channel

  • @akisasaki6661
    @akisasaki6661 Před měsícem

    This is video is great! I have a question and wonder if you could answer me. Arrows occasionally hurt my thumb on on bow hand. Any idea what could cause this?

  • @darrylpatterson1091
    @darrylpatterson1091 Před měsícem

    Justin, I have been avoiding your videos because I thought that they were purely Asiatic archery only. I shoot western style traditional and I think this pull down draw will work well. It certainly feels stronger, more solid enables more draw length. Will take a bit for the back muscles to get used to. Thanks for your clear common sense explanation.

  • @jukkahuuskonen
    @jukkahuuskonen Před 2 měsíci

    I know this is an old video, but is there any reason not to use this military style technique with light bows when starting Asiatic archery? Mine is just 25 pounds. I have hopes to go higher to somewhere around 50-80 pounds.

    • @jtma04
      @jtma04 Před měsícem

      I use this style for all bows, light and heavy. My philosophy is it's all the same technique.

  • @gegaoli
    @gegaoli Před 2 měsíci

    This is fantastic.

  • @user-ey5fm7lu1x
    @user-ey5fm7lu1x Před 2 měsíci

    Thank you so much! I've just started archery. My shoulder muscles have been telling me I've been doing it wrong. I just tried the higher draw you demonstrated and my shoulder isn't complaining. I still have a ton to learn, but hopefully it will be a less painful experience.

  • @sound_foundation_coaching
    @sound_foundation_coaching Před 2 měsíci

    Impressive and helpful - thank you!

  • @Woodworkingmasterclass
    @Woodworkingmasterclass Před 2 měsíci

    Thanks, I get more out of this video each time I watch t. Thanks, also for Translating "The Way of Archery". Purchased a copy recently, love reading it. Gao did not suffer fools lightly by the transcript. I have just taken up Asiatic Archery and at 70 it's great to have a new interest and fresh challenges. Cheers Steve

  • @CarlDWardJr
    @CarlDWardJr Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for your instructions, very helpful!

  • @SilverforceX
    @SilverforceX Před 3 měsíci

    You can see how straight the arrow flies on release from bow with this style of archery, as opposed to anglo-saxon style, where the arrow launches on angle to overcome the bow, then corrects itself during flight.

  • @juniorrealtordavesoffice2435

    Love this, your strength to weight is incredible. Thanks for all the info , has helped me a lot

  • @BackpackingVideos
    @BackpackingVideos Před 3 měsíci

    Amazing draw! Any suggestions on how to deal with shoulder pain? Impingement or rotator cuff muscle discomfort? I stopped archery years ago because of right shoulder pain.

  • @RedStoneWhite
    @RedStoneWhite Před 4 měsíci

    Absolute treasure ❤❤❤

  • @haythamheinrichsaeth264
    @haythamheinrichsaeth264 Před 4 měsíci

    Can you recommend a site that sells carbon fiber bows at 60lbs? I tried looking but there either aren't a lot of results, don't ship to my country, or have a lower poundage than desired. Looking for a durable Asiatic bow that can last for a long time cuz I'll be practicing with it every day

  • @yesthatsmyrealname
    @yesthatsmyrealname Před 4 měsíci

    What is the best set up for deer hunting? In regards to Asiatic bows.

  • @dogstarstudios718
    @dogstarstudios718 Před 5 měsíci

    Hello! I just recently found my way into Asiatic Archery, I have been following Armin Hirmer's channel, and actually had purchased a copy of your book about a week or so ago. I just discovered your channel & will be checking out your videos in depth. Thanks!

  • @mikegiammarise7861
    @mikegiammarise7861 Před 5 měsíci

    Wow !

  • @muhammedahmerkhan2605
    @muhammedahmerkhan2605 Před 5 měsíci

    Thanks and Thanks alot! you solve my problem

  • @arcaneknight9799
    @arcaneknight9799 Před 5 měsíci

    What specs did gou select on your Despot bow?

  • @anthony99900
    @anthony99900 Před 6 měsíci

    What is the bamboo bow one you have, which company makes that

  • @thefatefulforce8887
    @thefatefulforce8887 Před 6 měsíci

    Great video guys

  • @ThatIndianArcher
    @ThatIndianArcher Před 6 měsíci

    Hi Justin. Which thumb ring design do you prefer for prolong control for heavy draw weight bows. Can you mention seller too.

  • @MattathiasLeith
    @MattathiasLeith Před 7 měsíci

    What is the bow length?

  • @thefatefulforce8887
    @thefatefulforce8887 Před 7 měsíci

    The fact this video does not have more views is criminal

  • @MSanchez43
    @MSanchez43 Před 7 měsíci

    Great video, thx for the clear explanation!!

  • @vodoopupped9687
    @vodoopupped9687 Před 8 měsíci

    Having both shoulders not at the same level is killing the allignmend and passiv holding structure. The stress on the draw elbow looks greater that way.

  • @stefanhansen5882
    @stefanhansen5882 Před 8 měsíci

    This was amazing advice. Thanks!

  • @stefanhansen5882
    @stefanhansen5882 Před 8 měsíci

    This is amazing! I'm new to archery, and super curious. I assume that the kinetic energy correlates with the speed of the arrow. So, if I read the graph correctly at 4:21, does that mean than a 73 lbs Manchu horn bow sends an arrow as fast as a 124 lbs Changshao bow? In other words, is it really true that a Manchu bow with just a little more than half the draw weight of the Changshao bow will have the same arrow speed? Or am I missing something? Thanks!

    • @alexanderflack566
      @alexanderflack566 Před 4 měsíci

      I think that the easiest reference points are a Manchu bow of 80# draw weight versus a Changshao bow of 140# draw weight, but yes, those two bows would both deliver roughly the same amount of kinetic energy assuming these trends hold true (I would really like to see further testing of horn/wood/sinew Manchu bows especially).

  • @kyzar1207
    @kyzar1207 Před 8 měsíci

    Ĝreat info guys, it's going to help me make informed decisions when designing my selfbows/sinew backed selfbows, I'm currently working on a sinew backed osage bow thats inspired by an Asiatic design. Tthanks guys,

  • @zackshawn3317
    @zackshawn3317 Před 8 měsíci

    I live in Oklahoma it gets hot here in the summer and it gets very Cold I love solid fiberglass bows I have many of them I shoot with all the time I have had many wood and fiberglass laminate bows but for me I like solid fiberglass because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma I do own some wood and fiberglass laminate bows but I prefer solid fiberglass over a laminate bow I don't want to worry about the laminate coming apart ever and The will separate over time because of the weather patterns we have here in Oklahoma thanks for the video..

  • @thefatefulforce8887
    @thefatefulforce8887 Před 9 měsíci

    These videos and this channel deserve more views based on the educational value they bring to the world of Warbow Archery and Experimental Archeology.

  • @mattlewis4553
    @mattlewis4553 Před 10 měsíci

    That armour is waay too hard/brittle. Needs tempering back down. Most period armour was probably iron/low carbon steel . Better quality stuff was usually medium carbon (and a spring temper is desirable afaik). and generrally in the range of 45 - 55 hrc (most often in the lower to middle end of that scale.) So much like what Peter was saying in regards to the metal used in heads. Otherwise great vid thx.

  • @jaguarholly7156
    @jaguarholly7156 Před 10 měsíci

    This is the kind lf video you'd expect to have over a million views. Thanks for making such great content.

    • @blake436
      @blake436 Před 9 měsíci

      Thanks for watching!

  • @lucascooper3613
    @lucascooper3613 Před 10 měsíci

    Im trying to apply these tips, I have long arms and i am tall so my bow cannot be drawn to the length where both my shoulders are depressed. Would i have to use a semi depressed shoulder to draw shorter to my face? Or should i get a longer draw bow? Thanks Justin.

  • @FPVIBERIAN
    @FPVIBERIAN Před 10 měsíci

    Oh my god you kid is so cute

  • @hamdibeekeeper
    @hamdibeekeeper Před 10 měsíci

    One question, so to change aim point we need to maintain posture and not simply move bow arm?

  • @peaceowl7312
    @peaceowl7312 Před 11 měsíci

    Brilliant

  • @hamasmillitant1
    @hamasmillitant1 Před 11 měsíci

    i think chisel head was for mountain scale. as the chisel head would be directed to center of weave because of weave pattern then maybe be strong enough to break the one rivet on that 'Y' scale or cut through the scale entirely that was some nice armour :) we dont really know how thick most historical armour was because most of them have rusted away, plenty of people would have wanted armour thick enough to stop arrows even if it is heavy if they where using bows of that poundage & arrows that heavy some people would have had armour thick enough to stop it

  • @hamasmillitant1
    @hamasmillitant1 Před 11 měsíci

    thats a pretty hard arrow head most steels cap out at about 65 and they need to be very high carbon for it, as a armature smith im impressed. well made plates, most people make their plates to soft. their some tempered plates also unless that gold sheen is your lighting was some very informative testing will probably replay this a lot TYVM for resource (i think if the brigandine was 2x thickness it would stop those arrows impressive as they are im used to watching arrows turn into matchsticks when they hit armour at that poundage) 1 point for future research, the brigandine being against some form of solid leather or padded cloth undercoat/firmly against chest will stop the scales having space to move out of way so easy & will provide additional strength to the sheet of metal by providing reinforcement making it effectively a little thicker. also for stopping arrows that large or crossbow bolts id recommend increasing thickness of brigandine to 1.5mm it looks to be about 0.8mm. id also temper them blue/tool hard not gold/hammer hard. at least in earlier times chinese armour was known for having smaller but thicker steel plates(probably in big part due to their heavier arrow construction watching this testing). expecting such a thin sheet to stop a arrow head on a arrow that large with its point impact is much like expecting it to resist a hole punch

  • @ebehdzikraa3855
    @ebehdzikraa3855 Před rokem

    9:53 i prefer this style of draw. It looks beautiful and majestic at the same time

  • @adders45
    @adders45 Před rokem

    That bow is seriously powerful and fast. Comparable to a 150llb longbow, wow!

  • @ukitake8844
    @ukitake8844 Před rokem

    What heavy was your arrow and FOC ?

  • @olsongeorge1478
    @olsongeorge1478 Před rokem

    as an aid to get back to where i was i have a 30# bow on order as per your suggestions . . Many Thanks Justin !

  • @olsongeorge1478
    @olsongeorge1478 Před rokem

    i am now 75 & am having difficulty drawing my Sysichian 50 # bow from about 15 yrs. ago . i am now getting back to where i yusted to be thanks to your great explanation of body/ draw mechanics . Thanks Justin

  • @hunsbrown8288
    @hunsbrown8288 Před rokem

    Very helpful! Can't wait to get my Way of archery book and Manchu bow. I've been learning Chinese archery on my own and it is very clear I need some lessons 😂

  • @adampalamara
    @adampalamara Před rokem

    Late to the party. Glad you revisited it with improved arrows. Why do your shots with a 110# bow have more energy that Joe Gibb's 160# longbow? What is MR putting in the Tiron? Also a couple times afyer Blake shot he says something like 'more bent/blunted than before'. Was he reusing your arrows after they'd shot