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The Space Koala
Switzerland
Registrace 20. 12. 2020
My name is Luca, I post everything about astrophotography
What You Don't Know About Calibration Frames | Darks and Flats Deep Dive
00:00 - Introduction
00:11 - Misconceptions around calibration frames
01:49 - What calibration frames are
02:09 - Types of calibration frames
02:59 - Dark frames
06:39 - Are dark frames really necessary?
09:58 - The problem of noise in calibration frames
14:01 - Flat frames
17:45 - The importance of ISO/Gain for Flats
20:37 - Multiplicative artifacts
21:39 - Flat calibrating an image
22:34 - Bias & Dark Flats
25:00 - Summary
25:22 - Tips for taking calibration frames
26:43 - Conclusion
How to take manually exposed flat frames: nightskypix.com/calibration-frames/
00:11 - Misconceptions around calibration frames
01:49 - What calibration frames are
02:09 - Types of calibration frames
02:59 - Dark frames
06:39 - Are dark frames really necessary?
09:58 - The problem of noise in calibration frames
14:01 - Flat frames
17:45 - The importance of ISO/Gain for Flats
20:37 - Multiplicative artifacts
21:39 - Flat calibrating an image
22:34 - Bias & Dark Flats
25:00 - Summary
25:22 - Tips for taking calibration frames
26:43 - Conclusion
How to take manually exposed flat frames: nightskypix.com/calibration-frames/
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I'll Be Taking a Single Photo for 6 Months! | Installing a Pinhole Camera | Happy Summer Solstice
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00:00 Introduction 00:24 What is a pinhole camera 01:02 Installing SolarCan 05:35 Attempts to fix SolarCan 04:57 Final Installation 05:25 Conclusion Thumbnail credit: Tammo Jan Dijkema
How Much Does My Telescope Magnify? | Field of View, Magnification, Resolution in Astrophotography
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I explain why there is no such thing as a simple measurement of magnification when it comes to astrophotography, but we have many useful ways to compare the performance of our rigs 00:00 Introduction 00:24 Understanding Magnification 01:02 Field of View 05:35 Planning Tools 07:01 Image Scale 09:26 Angular Resolution 11:43 Conclusion
Are NASA Photo Colors Fake? | All about Mono and Color Cameras | Why I (Almost!!) Only Use Mono
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I explain in detail how color photos are created from black and white (mono) cameras and why this is actually a more accurate way to take astrophotos in color. 00:00 Introduction 01:18 How a mono camera works 03:39 Benefits of a mono camera 06:09 Color calibration 08:31 False color images 10:57 How color cameras work 12:27 Limitations of color cameras 14:56 Why many astrophotographers prefer mo...
The Aurora of the Decade (4K) - Switzerland- All Sky View
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The largest aurora activity seen in 12 years - as seen from the South of Switzerland - All Sky View
Apple Vision Pro as a Virtual Planetarium - App Review - Sky Guide
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I tried out the new Apple Vision Pro as a virtual planetarium! #visionpro #applevisionpro #avp #skyguide #planetarium
Spider stuck inside my Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
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Spider stuck inside my Celestron C14 EdgeHD telescope
ZWO Seestar Secret Menu! - Hidden Functionalities
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Unboxing and Testing of new Optolong L-QEF Filter
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Unboxing and Testing of new Optolong L-QEF Filter
ZWO ASI 2600MC Pro Duo Unboxing and First Impressions
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ZWO ASI 2600MC Pro Duo Unboxing and First Impressions
A day in my life as an astrophotographer
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A day in my life as an astrophotographer
I took a photo of a comet - we won’t see it again for 50,000 years!
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I took a photo of a comet - we won’t see it again for 50,000 years!
My Telescope Setup with Tecnosky Owl 130/900, RST-135 and 6200MM Pro
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My Telescope Setup with Tecnosky Owl 130/900, RST-135 and 6200MM Pro
Assembling my new ASI 6200MM with EFW and OAG
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Assembling my new ASI 6200MM with EFW and OAG
I got my S50, but don't see some of those functions in the App
Exactly the video I was searching for! Thanks 🙏🏼 -I am considering a Vision Pro for my physics bachelor studies. Must be awesome to visualize stuff like Astronomy. Makes it way more engaging.
It’s like having your personal planetarium 😊
Please make a tutorial for mobile astrophotography..bytw. I'm a mobile astrophotographer now but i about buy a new telescope edisla astra 100 and i already captured milky way galaxy,orion constellation, scorpion, etc constellation, star trails,venus,moon, Jupiter, Sirius and lots of stars
I really like your approach when it comes to explaining field of view and image scale. Your use of mathematical formulas and performing calculations made these concepts so much easier to grasp even for us long time astrophotographers. Keep up the amazing work!
@@5729ariel thank you so much! I’m glad you appreciate it
Could you put together a simple chart with the different types of frames on the left horizontal axis: darks, flats, bias, dark flats. And across the type such attributes as temperature and ISO (and perhaps others) and a check in the corresponding box if that attribute affects that type of frame. The goal here is to understand what is a "library" of calibration frames. To rephrase, does a library need to have a master bias frame for each ISO and temperature? Currently I'm sticking with ISO of 1600 but my camera is not cooled. This really is a nice video because it tells us *why* we are taking each type of frame.
What a crazy good explanation on these concepts, thank you!
@@JayJayYUP thank you so much! I’m so happy people appreciate the deep dive approach ☺️
This is the clearest and best presented explanation of calibration frames I have seen. A lot of materials found on forums are just recipes (good and bad) presented either without reason or with faulty reasoning. Thank you SK.
@@Birko64 thank you for saying this! I agree so many people just tell you what to do without any context!
Thank you for making this video. It is the best explanation of calibration frames I have seen on CZcams so far.
@@CosmicCaptures thank you so much I’m glad it’s helpful!
Greetings from India ! Many congratulations! 🎉.Your gear selection is simply amazing just like your knowledge on the subject and ability to explain the technicalities in simpler terms.
Thank you so much :) That's very kind
Great view Underrated clip 👌🏻
thanks! glad you like it
It's a RASA8 on AM5?
it is a RASA8 on an AM3
@@the_space_koala how it's working without counterweight? Full rig it's rather heavier than 8 kg ;) ?
@@groundhoppingwlkp3622 this is my grab-and-go comet shooting setup 😁 it’s fine for the rasa for tracking - also decent guiding at 400mm, completely usable. For slewing you have to decrease the max speed otherwise the voltage falls and it crashes dramatically 😁
@@the_space_koala yes voltages on AMs are the issue :P BTW - RASA8 for go-to scope? You don't have to collimate it after each trip? I think about Askar 103 with 0,6x reducer (F4) to photo comets from the field and not have to collimate it😅
@@groundhoppingwlkp3622 no mine has held its collimation even since I bought it! Otherwise I would’ve sold it as I have no patience haha! The askar is probably a good scope, I have had a good experience with a few of their models
I am huge fan of one shot color cameras because the lousy conditions at my nothernly latitude. And for the final result there are no 'real' or 'fake' colors because none of my deep sky images looks like the blue green visual impression seen in my telescopes... 😊 There are no colors in nature, color is about visual perception created by our brains.
imagine if we could see halpha! the night sky would be that much more colorful!
Excellent video, your the first who actually said when you don’t use darks you still need to calibrate lights with the bias instead. One other fyi, you said calibration is really important for astrometry when measuring star brightness changes, I think you meant photometry, Astrometry measured position, photometry measures intensity, great presentation
hey Frank, thank you very much! and yes of course I meant photometry - I need to understand how to fix this in the video :D
This is, I believe, the first video I have seen of yours. I like your rice and plate algorithm. You are clearly smart and thorough. I think I'll be watching more.
that's very nice of you to say, thanks for being here!
Very well explained. Nice job!
@@giuseppiallegro thank you! 😊
Great tutorial. Thanks for that. I'am among the lazy fraction of astrofotographers, who try to restrict the calibration work to the indispensable minimum, which really matters in the final picture. Flats are indeed indispensable, specifically for fast optics, the other depend on the camera and the ambition for the final picture. You have supplemented what I exercise after long experimental experience with solid scientific justifications.
I’m glad we’re in the same page ☺️ I can relate - I am all about optimizing! I’d never skip my flats though 😁 clear skies!
Some older ccd's require longer duration flats, or they record a shadow of the shutter. (KAF8300 sensors are a good example) What's really bad is when the "dust" moves over time during a session (mostly a DSLR problem). Flats just make it worse. I tried a round of low ISO flats, had to shoot a set of bias frames to calibrate the flats in PixInsight. I wasn't exploring it for long term use, just trying to clean up some borderline data. It did work but it's more cumbersome than it's worth. Better data is the solution (and sometimes a better camera).
oh no! Dust that moves around really sounds like the most horrible problem that you can't calibrate out. At that point you just hope it moves around enough to get rejected (kidding)
great video - thank you
Glad it was helpful!
Wonderful summary! 😊
thank you, I appreciate you saying that!
Hmm. I used to work with NASA colleagues on space projects. What should I think about this title?
if you watch like the first 60 seconds you'll see the reason for the title! :)
@@the_space_koala OK, I get the point. Our international NASA group took the first infra-red pictures of our universe from the IRAS satellite, a cooled monochrome unit that allowed full colorisation of the final images. The colours are mathematically genuine - hence my concern at seeing the title. Thanks for the reply 🙂
I'm glad you started making these longer videos to explain things. How do you build up a library of master darks? Don't they have to be taken every time? I missed something, I think. I'll watch the video again. Also, if you every feel like making a video explaining proper ISO/gain settings for DSO imagining, I don't think I'd be the only person who would greatly appreciate that.
Darks can be reused over and over! The only one that’s session specific is the flat. For the dark library you just take them for each temperature you want to shoot at - in case of a cooled camera. For a non-cooled camera you’ll still do the same but as you can’t control the temperature you try to take them at each 5-degree increment as the weather allows and then later use the one that is closest to the current temperature. I have been known to take darks in my fridge for the fall-winter 😁😁
@@the_space_koala Thank you.
Excellent discussion of the needed exposure time for flat frames. I had the striping problem you described but didn't know the cause. Experimentation with neutral density filters between my light panel and telescope solved the problem by lengthening my exposure times. But until I saw your video, I didn't know why very short flat frame exposures were causing the problem. Well done!
Thank you! I just put sheets of paper in between when I have to take flats with a fast scope! 😁
All I understood from that is I'm hungry for some black beans and rice. :)
Don’t forget to measure your ingredients multiple times!
thank you for shanring ! very good video about telescopes
Thanks for being here!
Thanks for the well thought out explanation. I have watched many calibration videos over the past 4 yrs. But your teaching skills are much better than most. Clear skies
Wow that’s such a nice thing to say, thank you! CS
Is this correct? Darks already contain bias so if you use dark frames you do not need to subtract bias from the lights. Bias or dark flats are need for flats.
That’s right! You wouldn’t need both! Workflows that use both are aimed at optimizing dark frames i.e. scaling them in case they were not taken correctly
Excellent explanation! I’ve heard this articulated before but your scale analogy is perfect
Thank you! It took me forever to come up with something that is easy to grasp! 😁
Thank you so much. Just curious as you said you use a master bias to calibrate as well. Is that used through WBPP. I kinda got lost there with how to implement it.
Thank you very much. I can take dark flats using NINA, but I don’t know how to identify them to pixinsight when I use WBPP.
You don’t need to. Dark flats are just darks and WBPP will automatically match the dark with the corresponding exposure length 😊
@@the_space_koala thanks!
Great job! You don’t just clobber us with knowledge, but back up and justify your views. Very clear explanation. One thing I would like to hear your opinion on is dark frame calibration with a DSLR or other non-cooled camera. Achieving a consistent temperature is obviously a challenge. How important is this, and what are the best practices for creating temperature-matched dark frames?
Thank you so much for saying that! I use a dark library for my mirrorless camera and I try to take dark frames for each 5-degree increment. There is no perfect solution because the temperature is not controlled, but if it’s close enough it will provide a benefit over just nothing.
Very nice and detailed vidéo of calibration frames! I learned alot! Clear skyes from Québec, Canada!
Thanks for saying that I am happy it’s useful! And thanks for wishing clear skies, I could really use some 😭
@@the_space_koala I understand, astrophotography is controlled by something we can’t change, meteo!
May be this smart Space Koala might convince me to take calibration frames 😊Up to now I have only taken calibration frames for my ASI294MC Pro. To get rid of the the amp glow this camera unfortunately suffer from. For other cameras, including mirrorless, I feel the quality usually are OK. The "lights" are more affected by atmospheric conditions to be "perfect" anyhow in my sessions up to now.
If you use your mirrorless with a lens you can also just take a series of calibration frames and reuse them! I for one don’t remove the lens of my mirrorless often so I can even reuse flats between sessions sometimes! And you can create a dark library for each like 5 degree increment in temperature and reuse those as well!
@@the_space_koala Thanks a lot for your tip! I will follow your advice. I love "diversity" so I have a few cameras and lenses to work thru 😊
Super informative, cool video! Thanks! :)
Thanks for saying that, I’m glad!
You say there's no straightforward answer when someone asks about the magnification factor in astro-imaging. I'd go even further and say the question doesn't even make sense. Magnification compared to what? At least with visual observation, it's clear what we're talking about: your eye sees an object 100x bigger through the telescope, so it's a 100x magnification, _compared to what you'd see with the naked eye._ But in astrophotography (as in any form of photography) there is no baseline, so nothing to compare against.
I fully agree. I just said "it's not the right question to ask" but I could've easily just said flat out that it doesn't make sense because you're right!! Thank you
@@the_space_koala No, thank you. The more people we get out there explaining and demystifying astronomy, the better for the hobby.
Very well done presentation. Thanks!
You live in a beautiful place. Similar to where we live here in Wellington New Zealand with water and mountain views. I look forward to seeing your results, and I’m now doing a search to see if I too can get my hands on one of these : )
Thank you, yes I absolutely love it here in Switzerland! I had to order mine directly from the UK (got mine from first light optics - I think they ship everywhere) but also the company itself ships international I think! Worst case you can always build one - I didn’t try that for reasons that are obvious from this video 😂
@@the_space_koala … hahaha
I couldn't agree more: the creation of astrophotos and its colour is a combination of science, art and individual preferences. For the latter two, every combination of colours is allowed. However, if true colour representation is desired, scientific rigorosity is required. If narrowband line emitters, such H alpha, emitting at 656,28nm with a bandwidth much smaller than 0.1nm, are shall be represented in the RGB space in its true colour, then it must be placed exactly at R=255, G=000 and B=082.
I couldn’t agree more! I rarely do true color narrowband but I always add that tiny bit of blue that makes all the difference!
Thanks for being clear and concise. It's very refreshing.
thank you for saying that, I'm glad!
I’m a visual hobbyist. Your video provided TMI which I began to appreciate the further you went.
thank you! TMI is my middle name
Excellent presentation and explanation. I am on the verge on "going mono" 🤪Subscribed.
Join the dark side! We’ve got filters! Thank you 😊
Hi Lusa (is spelling ok?), thanks for the helpful video! Much appreciate the time and work to produce it. You gave me lots to think about. Beautiful Cygnus wall photo! I like your processing on it. Subscribed today. CS!
Thank you so much! It’s spelled Luca ☺️ glad you find it useful
Great video. Subbed...👍
thanks for being here Allan!
tysm, well explained and researched. Your channel subscriber count is going to blow up soon!
wow thank you so much! I hope you are right haha
Great presentation and very clearly articulated. 8:27 subtlety throwing shade ... nice
thank you for saying that!
very clear explanation. thankyou !
According to Trevor Jones, he only gets an improvement of ~14% going with Mono over One Shot Color, but its worth it to him. Remember folks, the deeper you get into anything, the more you see the subtle differences that the pro's are trying to improve upon, sometimes obsessing over. So if your just getting into AP, or its little brother Electronically Assisted Astronomy (EAA), Tiny Steps and Patience are your friend. You'll get there. Thanks! -mike
Well, that was a thorough and detailed video! Sub earned.
thank you for being here!
Never went to moon. Nasa means to deceive. Large movie studio. Why so much helium? Hahahaha
nobody even spoke about the moon landing
Excellent video!‼👍👍👍
thanks, glad you liked it!
Excellent presentation of astro optical basics... And, there's nothing wrong with your video editing. I have to ask: What's your day job? You're really good at this!
thank you for that! I work in IT :)