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What You Don't Know About Calibration Frames | Darks and Flats Deep Dive
00:00 - Introduction
00:11 - Misconceptions around calibration frames
01:49 - What calibration frames are
02:09 - Types of calibration frames
02:59 - Dark frames
06:39 - Are dark frames really necessary?
09:58 - The problem of noise in calibration frames
14:01 - Flat frames
17:45 - The importance of ISO/Gain for Flats
20:37 - Multiplicative artifacts
21:39 - Flat calibrating an image
22:34 - Bias & Dark Flats
25:00 - Summary
25:22 - Tips for taking calibration frames
26:43 - Conclusion
How to take manually exposed flat frames: nightskypix.com/calibration-frames/
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Komentáře

  • @felixha8842
    @felixha8842 Před 14 hodinami

    I got my S50, but don't see some of those functions in the App

  • @maxmayer62
    @maxmayer62 Před dnem

    Exactly the video I was searching for! Thanks 🙏🏼 -I am considering a Vision Pro for my physics bachelor studies. Must be awesome to visualize stuff like Astronomy. Makes it way more engaging.

  • @RudraEditHub666
    @RudraEditHub666 Před dnem

    Please make a tutorial for mobile astrophotography..bytw. I'm a mobile astrophotographer now but i about buy a new telescope edisla astra 100 and i already captured milky way galaxy,orion constellation, scorpion, etc constellation, star trails,venus,moon, Jupiter, Sirius and lots of stars

  • @5729ariel
    @5729ariel Před 12 dny

    I really like your approach when it comes to explaining field of view and image scale. Your use of mathematical formulas and performing calculations made these concepts so much easier to grasp even for us long time astrophotographers. Keep up the amazing work!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 12 dny

      @@5729ariel thank you so much! I’m glad you appreciate it

  • @pedzsan
    @pedzsan Před 14 dny

    Could you put together a simple chart with the different types of frames on the left horizontal axis: darks, flats, bias, dark flats. And across the type such attributes as temperature and ISO (and perhaps others) and a check in the corresponding box if that attribute affects that type of frame. The goal here is to understand what is a "library" of calibration frames. To rephrase, does a library need to have a master bias frame for each ISO and temperature? Currently I'm sticking with ISO of 1600 but my camera is not cooled. This really is a nice video because it tells us *why* we are taking each type of frame.

  • @JayJayYUP
    @JayJayYUP Před 16 dny

    What a crazy good explanation on these concepts, thank you!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 16 dny

      @@JayJayYUP thank you so much! I’m so happy people appreciate the deep dive approach ☺️

  • @Birko64
    @Birko64 Před 17 dny

    This is the clearest and best presented explanation of calibration frames I have seen. A lot of materials found on forums are just recipes (good and bad) presented either without reason or with faulty reasoning. Thank you SK.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 17 dny

      @@Birko64 thank you for saying this! I agree so many people just tell you what to do without any context!

  • @CosmicCaptures
    @CosmicCaptures Před 17 dny

    Thank you for making this video. It is the best explanation of calibration frames I have seen on CZcams so far.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 17 dny

      @@CosmicCaptures thank you so much I’m glad it’s helpful!

  • @newonyoutube5535
    @newonyoutube5535 Před 17 dny

    Greetings from India ! Many congratulations! 🎉.Your gear selection is simply amazing just like your knowledge on the subject and ability to explain the technicalities in simpler terms.

  • @Astro_Ash_Jeremy
    @Astro_Ash_Jeremy Před 17 dny

    Great view Underrated clip 👌🏻

  • @groundhoppingwlkp3622

    It's a RASA8 on AM5?

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 17 dny

      it is a RASA8 on an AM3

    • @groundhoppingwlkp3622
      @groundhoppingwlkp3622 Před 17 dny

      @@the_space_koala how it's working without counterweight? Full rig it's rather heavier than 8 kg ;) ?

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 17 dny

      @@groundhoppingwlkp3622 this is my grab-and-go comet shooting setup 😁 it’s fine for the rasa for tracking - also decent guiding at 400mm, completely usable. For slewing you have to decrease the max speed otherwise the voltage falls and it crashes dramatically 😁

    • @groundhoppingwlkp3622
      @groundhoppingwlkp3622 Před 17 dny

      @@the_space_koala yes voltages on AMs are the issue :P BTW - RASA8 for go-to scope? You don't have to collimate it after each trip? I think about Askar 103 with 0,6x reducer (F4) to photo comets from the field and not have to collimate it😅

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 17 dny

      @@groundhoppingwlkp3622 no mine has held its collimation even since I bought it! Otherwise I would’ve sold it as I have no patience haha! The askar is probably a good scope, I have had a good experience with a few of their models

  • @sonofoneintheuniverse

    I am huge fan of one shot color cameras because the lousy conditions at my nothernly latitude. And for the final result there are no 'real' or 'fake' colors because none of my deep sky images looks like the blue green visual impression seen in my telescopes... 😊 There are no colors in nature, color is about visual perception created by our brains.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 18 dny

      imagine if we could see halpha! the night sky would be that much more colorful!

  • @frankm81m82
    @frankm81m82 Před 18 dny

    Excellent video, your the first who actually said when you don’t use darks you still need to calibrate lights with the bias instead. One other fyi, you said calibration is really important for astrometry when measuring star brightness changes, I think you meant photometry, Astrometry measured position, photometry measures intensity, great presentation

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 18 dny

      hey Frank, thank you very much! and yes of course I meant photometry - I need to understand how to fix this in the video :D

  • @ekalbkr
    @ekalbkr Před 18 dny

    This is, I believe, the first video I have seen of yours. I like your rice and plate algorithm. You are clearly smart and thorough. I think I'll be watching more.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 18 dny

      that's very nice of you to say, thanks for being here!

  • @giuseppiallegro
    @giuseppiallegro Před 18 dny

    Very well explained. Nice job!

  • @hersann0118
    @hersann0118 Před 19 dny

    Great tutorial. Thanks for that. I'am among the lazy fraction of astrofotographers, who try to restrict the calibration work to the indispensable minimum, which really matters in the final picture. Flats are indeed indispensable, specifically for fast optics, the other depend on the camera and the ambition for the final picture. You have supplemented what I exercise after long experimental experience with solid scientific justifications.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 19 dny

      I’m glad we’re in the same page ☺️ I can relate - I am all about optimizing! I’d never skip my flats though 😁 clear skies!

  • @robertfarrimond3369
    @robertfarrimond3369 Před 20 dny

    Some older ccd's require longer duration flats, or they record a shadow of the shutter. (KAF8300 sensors are a good example) What's really bad is when the "dust" moves over time during a session (mostly a DSLR problem). Flats just make it worse. I tried a round of low ISO flats, had to shoot a set of bias frames to calibrate the flats in PixInsight. I wasn't exploring it for long term use, just trying to clean up some borderline data. It did work but it's more cumbersome than it's worth. Better data is the solution (and sometimes a better camera).

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 20 dny

      oh no! Dust that moves around really sounds like the most horrible problem that you can't calibrate out. At that point you just hope it moves around enough to get rejected (kidding)

  • @mikelockwood2104
    @mikelockwood2104 Před 20 dny

    great video - thank you

  • @sonofoneintheuniverse

    Wonderful summary! 😊

  • @lawrenceharris1819
    @lawrenceharris1819 Před 20 dny

    Hmm. I used to work with NASA colleagues on space projects. What should I think about this title?

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 20 dny

      if you watch like the first 60 seconds you'll see the reason for the title! :)

    • @lawrenceharris1819
      @lawrenceharris1819 Před 20 dny

      @@the_space_koala OK, I get the point. Our international NASA group took the first infra-red pictures of our universe from the IRAS satellite, a cooled monochrome unit that allowed full colorisation of the final images. The colours are mathematically genuine - hence my concern at seeing the title. Thanks for the reply 🙂

  • @Lord_Volkner
    @Lord_Volkner Před 21 dnem

    I'm glad you started making these longer videos to explain things. How do you build up a library of master darks? Don't they have to be taken every time? I missed something, I think. I'll watch the video again. Also, if you every feel like making a video explaining proper ISO/gain settings for DSO imagining, I don't think I'd be the only person who would greatly appreciate that.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Darks can be reused over and over! The only one that’s session specific is the flat. For the dark library you just take them for each temperature you want to shoot at - in case of a cooled camera. For a non-cooled camera you’ll still do the same but as you can’t control the temperature you try to take them at each 5-degree increment as the weather allows and then later use the one that is closest to the current temperature. I have been known to take darks in my fridge for the fall-winter 😁😁

    • @Lord_Volkner
      @Lord_Volkner Před 20 dny

      @@the_space_koala Thank you.

  • @2193191
    @2193191 Před 21 dnem

    Excellent discussion of the needed exposure time for flat frames. I had the striping problem you described but didn't know the cause. Experimentation with neutral density filters between my light panel and telescope solved the problem by lengthening my exposure times. But until I saw your video, I didn't know why very short flat frame exposures were causing the problem. Well done!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Thank you! I just put sheets of paper in between when I have to take flats with a fast scope! 😁

  • @ShrikeZone
    @ShrikeZone Před 21 dnem

    All I understood from that is I'm hungry for some black beans and rice. :)

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Don’t forget to measure your ingredients multiple times!

  • @fmsilva11
    @fmsilva11 Před 21 dnem

    thank you for shanring ! very good video about telescopes

  • @Clint-pe8hi
    @Clint-pe8hi Před 21 dnem

    Thanks for the well thought out explanation. I have watched many calibration videos over the past 4 yrs. But your teaching skills are much better than most. Clear skies

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Wow that’s such a nice thing to say, thank you! CS

  • @lainevince
    @lainevince Před 21 dnem

    Is this correct? Darks already contain bias so if you use dark frames you do not need to subtract bias from the lights. Bias or dark flats are need for flats.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      That’s right! You wouldn’t need both! Workflows that use both are aimed at optimizing dark frames i.e. scaling them in case they were not taken correctly

  • @samboteague
    @samboteague Před 21 dnem

    Excellent explanation! I’ve heard this articulated before but your scale analogy is perfect

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Thank you! It took me forever to come up with something that is easy to grasp! 😁

  • @BucNasty32
    @BucNasty32 Před 21 dnem

    Thank you so much. Just curious as you said you use a master bias to calibrate as well. Is that used through WBPP. I kinda got lost there with how to implement it.

  • @LyngJohn205
    @LyngJohn205 Před 21 dnem

    Thank you very much. I can take dark flats using NINA, but I don’t know how to identify them to pixinsight when I use WBPP.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      You don’t need to. Dark flats are just darks and WBPP will automatically match the dark with the corresponding exposure length 😊

    • @LyngJohn205
      @LyngJohn205 Před 21 dnem

      @@the_space_koala thanks!

  • @Megawatt
    @Megawatt Před 21 dnem

    Great job! You don’t just clobber us with knowledge, but back up and justify your views. Very clear explanation. One thing I would like to hear your opinion on is dark frame calibration with a DSLR or other non-cooled camera. Achieving a consistent temperature is obviously a challenge. How important is this, and what are the best practices for creating temperature-matched dark frames?

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Thank you so much for saying that! I use a dark library for my mirrorless camera and I try to take dark frames for each 5-degree increment. There is no perfect solution because the temperature is not controlled, but if it’s close enough it will provide a benefit over just nothing.

  • @alexandreastronomy8022

    Very nice and detailed vidéo of calibration frames! I learned alot! Clear skyes from Québec, Canada!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 21 dnem

      Thanks for saying that I am happy it’s useful! And thanks for wishing clear skies, I could really use some 😭

    • @alexandreastronomy8022
      @alexandreastronomy8022 Před 21 dnem

      @@the_space_koala I understand, astrophotography is controlled by something we can’t change, meteo!

  • @TL1000S97
    @TL1000S97 Před 22 dny

    May be this smart Space Koala might convince me to take calibration frames 😊Up to now I have only taken calibration frames for my ASI294MC Pro. To get rid of the the amp glow this camera unfortunately suffer from. For other cameras, including mirrorless, I feel the quality usually are OK. The "lights" are more affected by atmospheric conditions to be "perfect" anyhow in my sessions up to now.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 22 dny

      If you use your mirrorless with a lens you can also just take a series of calibration frames and reuse them! I for one don’t remove the lens of my mirrorless often so I can even reuse flats between sessions sometimes! And you can create a dark library for each like 5 degree increment in temperature and reuse those as well!

    • @TL1000S97
      @TL1000S97 Před 22 dny

      @@the_space_koala Thanks a lot for your tip! I will follow your advice. I love "diversity" so I have a few cameras and lenses to work thru 😊

  • @djnotex
    @djnotex Před 23 dny

    Super informative, cool video! Thanks! :)

  • @EvenTheDogAgrees
    @EvenTheDogAgrees Před 28 dny

    You say there's no straightforward answer when someone asks about the magnification factor in astro-imaging. I'd go even further and say the question doesn't even make sense. Magnification compared to what? At least with visual observation, it's clear what we're talking about: your eye sees an object 100x bigger through the telescope, so it's a 100x magnification, _compared to what you'd see with the naked eye._ But in astrophotography (as in any form of photography) there is no baseline, so nothing to compare against.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před 28 dny

      I fully agree. I just said "it's not the right question to ask" but I could've easily just said flat out that it doesn't make sense because you're right!! Thank you

    • @EvenTheDogAgrees
      @EvenTheDogAgrees Před 28 dny

      @@the_space_koala No, thank you. The more people we get out there explaining and demystifying astronomy, the better for the hobby.

  • @Pics2FlicksDennis
    @Pics2FlicksDennis Před měsícem

    Very well done presentation. Thanks!

  • @lancealbon46
    @lancealbon46 Před měsícem

    You live in a beautiful place. Similar to where we live here in Wellington New Zealand with water and mountain views. I look forward to seeing your results, and I’m now doing a search to see if I too can get my hands on one of these : )

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před měsícem

      Thank you, yes I absolutely love it here in Switzerland! I had to order mine directly from the UK (got mine from first light optics - I think they ship everywhere) but also the company itself ships international I think! Worst case you can always build one - I didn’t try that for reasons that are obvious from this video 😂

    • @lancealbon46
      @lancealbon46 Před měsícem

      @@the_space_koala … hahaha

  • @hersann0118
    @hersann0118 Před měsícem

    I couldn't agree more: the creation of astrophotos and its colour is a combination of science, art and individual preferences. For the latter two, every combination of colours is allowed. However, if true colour representation is desired, scientific rigorosity is required. If narrowband line emitters, such H alpha, emitting at 656,28nm with a bandwidth much smaller than 0.1nm, are shall be represented in the RGB space in its true colour, then it must be placed exactly at R=255, G=000 and B=082.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před měsícem

      I couldn’t agree more! I rarely do true color narrowband but I always add that tiny bit of blue that makes all the difference!

  • @nightwaves3203
    @nightwaves3203 Před měsícem

    Thanks for being clear and concise. It's very refreshing.

  • @kendalsmucker4899
    @kendalsmucker4899 Před měsícem

    I’m a visual hobbyist. Your video provided TMI which I began to appreciate the further you went.

  • @TL1000S97
    @TL1000S97 Před měsícem

    Excellent presentation and explanation. I am on the verge on "going mono" 🤪Subscribed.

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před měsícem

      Join the dark side! We’ve got filters! Thank you 😊

  • @Jcorban08
    @Jcorban08 Před měsícem

    Hi Lusa (is spelling ok?), thanks for the helpful video! Much appreciate the time and work to produce it. You gave me lots to think about. Beautiful Cygnus wall photo! I like your processing on it. Subscribed today. CS!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před měsícem

      Thank you so much! It’s spelled Luca ☺️ glad you find it useful

  • @Allan_aka_RocKITEman
    @Allan_aka_RocKITEman Před měsícem

    Great video. Subbed...👍

  • @dacio144
    @dacio144 Před měsícem

    tysm, well explained and researched. Your channel subscriber count is going to blow up soon!

    • @the_space_koala
      @the_space_koala Před měsícem

      wow thank you so much! I hope you are right haha

  • @MatthewCrawford
    @MatthewCrawford Před měsícem

    Great presentation and very clearly articulated. 8:27 subtlety throwing shade ... nice

  • @itzdevaraj
    @itzdevaraj Před měsícem

    very clear explanation. thankyou !

  • @CriticalThinker-42
    @CriticalThinker-42 Před měsícem

    According to Trevor Jones, he only gets an improvement of ~14% going with Mono over One Shot Color, but its worth it to him. Remember folks, the deeper you get into anything, the more you see the subtle differences that the pro's are trying to improve upon, sometimes obsessing over. So if your just getting into AP, or its little brother Electronically Assisted Astronomy (EAA), Tiny Steps and Patience are your friend. You'll get there. Thanks! -mike

  • @PetterAstrom
    @PetterAstrom Před měsícem

    Well, that was a thorough and detailed video! Sub earned.

  • @madmaxx5612
    @madmaxx5612 Před měsícem

    Never went to moon. Nasa means to deceive. Large movie studio. Why so much helium? Hahahaha

  • @lurkmoar3926
    @lurkmoar3926 Před měsícem

    Excellent video!‼👍👍👍

  • @michaeledmonds3027
    @michaeledmonds3027 Před měsícem

    Excellent presentation of astro optical basics... And, there's nothing wrong with your video editing. I have to ask: What's your day job? You're really good at this!