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I found the title of this vid more misleading than the ending of whiplash. Only thing I found misleading about the ending was Neinman saying to fletcher “I’m going to count you in”. I thought he was going to count him in to the next song, like he’d did the bass player in the previous. As far as your point in the vid I guess it’s an American thing the willingness ti accept abuse from authority. Whether it’s a boss or military personnel or whatever. I come from a country with a much leg hierarchical structure. I never looked at this as a happy ending… This whole video comes off as I got the ending wrong so you must have as well - here is how you should have read it.

I hated it! An apology for the mythos of abusers and bullies as “mentors”. YUCK!

A la Stockholm Syndrome…

Their goals line up. Nemo wants to be the best and fletcher wants to create a best. Fletcher says before the end that a bird wouldn’t be discouraged and Nemo was put in a position that 99.9% of people would become discouraged, only to come back on stage and throw it back making him the 0.1% fletcher was wanting.

I disagree somewhat with this analysis. I don't think that the ending shows fletcher finally winning, and taking control of Andrew, but Andrew deciding that become a great musician is what he wants, even if it means having to go through abuse. In an earlier scene in the movie, he talks with his family, and he says he would rather be a great musician and be miserable and die young, instead of trying to be happy. It is who Andrew is- he wants to be great, and is willing to go through anything to get there.

I haven't watched the film but does anyone else feel like that ending scene where the mentor gives him the cue, it's like he's about to hit him?

When I first watched Whiplash, I did not interpret the ending as happy. I was sad for Neiman. Is he going to be successful? Probably. Are his worldview and expectations going to be healthy from now on? Absolutely not. It shows an example of success through pain and leaves a question: is this method worth it? Well, if it builds up someone's confidence and shell, maybe. I AM a believer that what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. But the emotional damage can be irreversible.

I think that Jazz was one of the most anti elitist music at its prime in the 1920s and now, it is being used by these elitists to mock other future great music. Jazz, Punk, Rock, Hip hop and Cinema didn't happen because of the Elitist, they happened INSPITE of them. All of these things came from artists taking risks against the established pre defined arts. Jazz was hated because it was black music, it used tritones, any wrong note when played twice could be the right note and a messy rhythm. Someone like Fletcher would have said 'no wonder why classical music is dying, and what is this disgusting jazz music'. Also, Nemon nearly got killed and was bloodied up and he was supposedly Fletcher's best student but he couldn't have cared less as he walked up to him and destroyed him by kicking him out. Fletcher is the bad guy that got away... this movie is not just inaccurate, it is also SUPER irresponsible.

I had my doubts watching a movie about a jazz drummer, I was surprised how good it was! It was one the best films of the year. Whenever I see it on, have no choice to but to start watching it!

when i watched the ending, i thought "oh good, andrew doesn't care about what fletcher thinks of him anymore" because he started playing before fletcher cued him. but then as the rest of the band joins in, he starts listening to fletchers directions again after being on the brink of liberation. then at the end andrew is happy, but not for the right reasons. just when he was almost free, he goes back to his old ways of fletcher's approval meaning happiness instead of his own talent giving him happiness.

i think it can be interpreted two ways: miles has becomes fletchers perfect student OR miles has gone above fletcher, becoming independant of him

What really gets me is him breaking up with Nicole. So many people these days would bend over backwards for a relationship like that.

What a gold channel. But where's the author now?

Outstanding!

The Charlie Parker comparisons in the movie were really fitting. He died at 34 and was addicted to heroin his whole life, just like Andrew’s family said.

I had a person like fletcher in my life for bout 10-11 years almost. He was really abusive towards me and this really went on from me being 6 year old to 16 year old. Idk if I shud write much of it but whatever fletcher did to his students was some what similar to mine he cud be extreme but my mentor was extreme too in his ways just to say in short I used to get beaten with sticks, got slaps and just other tiny forms whenever he got very mad at me just cuz I wasn’t able to a get a math sum right. If he got mad it was just the end for me I’d just cry after that cry and cry and later he used to apologise to me but I always had it happen to me idk why but I’d always hate him after that but yet my brain use to rationalise and forgive him for it. He did to other students too but mostly I had it happen to me so this movie really just reminded of him so much the abuse and everything

Some of the most rewarding moments I look back on were times I had to dig-deep and pull through dark and desperately challenging events. Seeing yourself grow and doting on the ones that helped you through it; mentor, friend, and even a rival. I can't help but feel love for both characters, even if the method was toxic.

It's the no audience applause or really realizing what he's even doing this for but a moment of acceptance from someone opposite his dad. It's fascinating but also so empty which I get.

I just finished it a few hours ago, and my immediate interpretation was "Fletcher, created another Fletcher in Neiman..."

Its incredible how Fletcher is seen as the villain and not the protagonist. Neiman would be a sopping Gen Z sap (or whatever a 20 year old in 14 counted as) having hung up his sticks and be a broken soul.. Fletcher found the gem hidden in Neiman and both will now be at peace having recahed their goals in life. Fletcher only. Punishes those who want to be punished. The weak flee, the strong stay and decome great alor fail with honor in the attempt. And this is a film channel? Good heavens.

I think your theory is interesting but I feel like it's a misreading of the situation. Fletcher's teaching style failed, while Niemann was under his guidance he didn't live up to expectations and became broken - it was only until after the dust had settled and the pressure was relieved that Niemann was able to pick himself back together into his best form - and then he was presented the opportunity to prove it; whereby he is no longer a subordinate to Fletcher, but what one could call an equal - he had the liberty to do as he pleased, at his own pace, under his own will and completely defied the power dynamic between the two throughout the film. Niemann stopped seeing Fletcher as someone whose boots should be polished. It was through this strength of character, and freedom, and relaxation that Niemann proved Fletcher wrong - Fletcher got what he wanted, but he didn't have a hand in making it. That strength of character wasn't molded by abuse, it was molded by autonomy, by internal drive rather than external validation. It was always Niemann.

Never played this game, but I ran across the sound track and was curious what video essays people had made about it. I checked out another one of your essays and liked it a lot. Kinda sad there aren't more for me to enjoy, but whatever you're up to now, I hope it's going well 🙂

Such a great film my first watch I had the happy feeling ending Second watch I saw the look in his fathers eye and realised that his son was cursed

It’s self destruction caused by obsession. If you want something bad enough, you will get it. To truly want something enough to sacrifice everything in your own life to be the best, will eventually kill you. We think we want this for us, but everything that life had to offer us won’t exist. You only realize it when it’s too late.

Why is everyone so soft? Maybe every American should serve two years in the military. Greatness is not given! It is taken!

it's wonderful, how i misinterpreted the ending. for me, it was a story of a student, that forced abusive teacher to respect him. for me it wasn't about "how fletcher admired the student", it was about "how andrew gained his own path, without authority". and i was really surprised, when i got another point of view.

I love all the connections being made.Something that stuck out to me is during Andrews drum solo, he says to Fletcher "ill cue you" but never really does? In fact, it seems Fletcher then cues him, instructing his crescendo from piano to forte. What looked like an act of rebellion to some could really be Drew conforming to the abusive teaching style of the father he wishes he had.

The dark twist is Fletcher owning Andrew's success.

I’m sorry to say this but if you think Fletcher was a villain in this film then you will never achieve greatness in life. And that’s fine, 99.99% of people don’t and will have a better life just settling for an average life. But to have so much burning passion for something that you’re willing to die for it, now that is admirable.

God I love this movie

truth is in the middle, everything in the universe strives to balance (like the universe itself is made of everything and nothing). Thats my philosophy on things, you cant beat it, universal rule

After the film concludes, the scenario i see is that Nieman realizes that he no longer needs Fletcher's instruction or his approval. He's broken free and he can be the true Neiman. He can tell Fletcher, maybe not in so many words, that he can go fuck himself, and mean it.

This is a classic case of narcissism

PO PO POLO MAX VERSTAPPEN

*What does Fletcher says in the end?*

I thought miles would have hit the final note and die from a heart attack LMAO

I guess I'm a little puzzled by those who think this is a "happy ending"; Neiman clearly gives his soul to Fletcher, and he does it willingly, not under the slightest coercion. I suppose it's possible to interpret the ending differently if you're deep inside your own head and aren't paying attention, worried about "results vs. abuse" and who knows, maybe suffering abuse yourself. But Neiman's father is there at the end for a reason: his appalled face as he looks on should tell you that he's lost his son forever, and there's really no one to blame, except the son. Neiman has made his own choices throughout the film. He abandons a possibly loving relationship with his girlfriend, and does it with utter finality. He stays at Shaffer despite the abuse from Fletcher, and comes back to Fletcher with gratitude for that last concert, even goes back on-stage after Fletcher humiliates him. Because what he perceives as "glory" with Fletcher is more valuable to him than what he perceives as "mediocrity" in the warm embrace of his family (well, of his father, at least). Those craving a victim-narrative will find enough of what they think is evidence, but Neiman is more than a bit of a bully himself - see the effortless cruelty with which he dismisses his football-playing cousins. Even early in the relationship with the girlfriend, he's almost unconsciously contemptuous of her - "So what are you studying at Fordham? You don't know? Just going their randomly?" In Fletcher, Neiman has found the person who will nurture all his worst instincts, and Neiman will continue on his journey toward being an arrogant man intolerable to be around - great drummer though, maybe the world's best. For what that's worth. Dr. Frankenstein's Monster has been perfected.

I just finished the game, and seeing Gris be able to use her voice was the momenti broke down... I've been struggling a lot with not being heard, and that part really hit me. GRIS is a beautiful game. It's definitely a creative masterpiece.

womp womp

This is a movie that everyone on this earth should watch bc the message is so good

man i just love you, you just told the correct thing about the game, i played the game when its launch and this is my favorite game ever, i hope you doing ok today and stay strong, love your video so much!!!!

The ending is triumphant for Neiman for fighting back and not letting Fletcher win at destroying his character. It's almost as they became equals at the end and work as partners. I actually wouldn't be surprise if Neiman himself would dish out some of his own Fletcher like teachings to his future students.

You spoke my mind brother 🙌💙

Whiplash and Dark Souls have parallels

or, thats style of teaching IS the best, but that doesn't mean it works 100 percent of the time. but if someone wants to be the best, it needs that ruthlessness, and I meant THE BEST, like how that basketball coach's record hasn't been broken, or how micheal jordan's mentality secured him as the best to ever do it

Be normal and mediocre.

People will try to debunk everything. Never played drums in my life but I know this movie was for entertainment purposes only. The man was in a serious accident right before the show. Obviously that alone wouldn’t happen in real life let alone the rest of the movie 😅

I always thought the ending was depressing, if not horrifying. Imagine my shock when I saw people online talking about it like it was an uplifting success story. 💀

Gris is not a game. It's an emotional art piece. This is why there are several people who can't appreciate it. They don't know how to appreciate art.

What's not being said is that no one should be trying to create or discover the next Kurt Cobain or Buddy Rich, since music is always evolving. Imagine a mathematics teacher who wants their students to come up with the same equations of Euler.