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Bring back an updated VF MAGNA (1980'S STYLE) NOT HARLEY CLONE LOOK ALIKES

The economy is not bad- fake news for sure! Highest stock market in history,lowest unemployment rate,millions of jobs added, the iron mines in northern minnesota are at full capacity. I am not a democrat, or republican!

Less talk, more action!

One has a front fender. One doesn’t. Sounds silly but if that indicates the direction and basic usability of other engineering or styling decisions, I would take the one with the front fender. H-D. But really, I think probably neither.

You sure the chief has 120 hp??

I've ridden both, Harley's and Indian's. I own a Springfield. Here's my take...when I'm riding, I'm riding. I'm not effing with the display, etc. After riding my 2019 Springfield for about a year, (12,000 miles), I got on a SG Special. Although the SG was fun, the only way I can describe it is, "unrefined". The "quick release" HW is garbage. The tiny wires that hold the windshield onto a Soft Tail Slim is a joke. The spools that the trunks lock onto are also pathetic. Tiny and an after-thought. It took me a week to find neutral on the SG Special and the ST Slim. Having the blinkers on separate sides is stupid as well. Can you imagine if you designed a car that way? There's no logic behind it. Until HD decides to go with a smoother engine design that doesn't rattle the bike apart, well, you can't put lipstick on a pig. All the tech in the world isn't going to make up for an engine that is stuck in the equivalent of the, "Intel 286 processor". The Indian has a shorter stroke with a fatter piston. Rather than the ridiculous, 8" push rods, the Thunderstroke has much shorter push rods, 49 degrees vs. 45 so they don't rattle the bike to little bits before you take off and, my Springfield 111 with V&H Turn-Downs sounds like a 70's muscle car. The M8 sounds like somebody build an engine from spare parts and can't quite get the timing right. From a practical standpoint, I can't think of one reason to buy a HD over an Indian, other than you look better on a HD after you crash because you were wearing nothing but a baseball cap backwards, shorts and sneakers, when the ambulance pulls up to scrape your brains off the road.

Go with the Harley, the most customizable bike there is. And a much bigger community of bike shops all across the world.

I " believe" but two wheel jesus ,i believe rode a yamaha and i think he died on it. I tried to channle him and communicate but talking to the dead is bullshit.

lol, neither buy something else cracked me up. I own a Super Chief and was looking between both of these bikes, I went with the Indian as I love the low center of gravity and the bobbed fenders. I do still appreciate the heritage though.

Sorry phil ,,, you are incorrect about the Harley test rides. My wife and I walked into Old Town Temecula and gave them our CDL and within ten minutes we are rolling. Riverside Harley , San Diego Harley...BIGGS and several others...every single dealership - find the Harley you're interested in we brought in our own helmets and again within ten minutes we are rolling.So please stop the test ride BS . Enjoy your Polaris , we bought the 2023 120th Anniversary Harley. PS- The Harley dealerships are way better at customer service.

Very informative video!!!

Love those Indian motorcycles❣️ They just keep getting better and better👍

I really wish HD would make the Sportster S gauge an option on all the softails. I get it, some people like traditional gauges, but they have already put the LED gauges on a number of the softails at this point. Just make it an option. Ride modes, regardless of what traditionalists want to say, are helpful. They've already incorporated them into the Sportster S and the new VVT bikes. Having navigation on the gauge is a huge plus. Most guys are running their cell phones on mounts and honestly, I advise against that whenever I see it. You go down and get injured with your bike down in a ditch or 20+ feet down the road, where's your phone? Right, it's on the bike down in the ditch, 20+ feet down the road or has fallen off somewhere in between. I've seen guys go down and break legs, have a foot amputated, break their ribs etc and having your phone on your person is a heck of a lot better than having your phone out of reach if you ride solo often.

Harleys over heat, indians do not, thats all you need to know, harley sucks, period

Love those Indian motorcycles❣️ They just keep getting better and better👍

They didn't do a free for all at my Indian dealership at the last demo day. We had them for two days and you were asked to make a reservation to ride whatever bikes you were interested in. I only rode the Chief Bobber Darkhorse because it was the only bike I was interested in at the time. Now I'm wishing I'd rode the FTR. It would have been interesting to ride a completely different bike from my Bobber 20 (which I love) and have an entirely new riding experience. If I could ever find the rear pegs that is. 😉

The INDIAN FTR’ is a evocation of Indian’s dominant, FTR 750 flat-track racebike. Sharper and sportier chassis geometry than the Sportster S .- The FTR is a real step toward Indian holding a significant slice of the US sport standard segment. It will have to be the INDIAN FTR for me. If I were to choose a more cruiser-like performance bike, it would be the beautiful Indian Scout 101. Sorry Harley.

Love those Indian motorcycles❣️ They just keep getting better and better👍

I’ll go with the Springfield. The quick-release saddlebags and how great it looks without them, with the wrap-around fenders and the Softail suspension, it’s simply superior aesthetically.

As one who is interested in one of these or a similar bike, I mainly just care about reliability and technical support from the dealer and factory. These are things that can become known only after years and years of ownership, not a ten minute test ride. Can I still get parts for the bike ten years after the purchase? 20 years? Or is their corporate culture such that I am considered to be their best friend right before the purchase, and then just a liability right afterward? Will they make excuses and tell be bullshit when their overly-sophisticated electrical systems start going wonky, as they surely will? Or will they gladly and promptly see to the proper solutions, over and over? None of these things can be examined in a test ride, nor does anyone's impression of the bike matter at all, whatsoever, to me.

way too expensive for what they are. and the fuel tanks are too small.

I definitely prefer the Springfield. When you remove the saddlebags (which come off easily), you get a very classic and spectacular bike along with a solo seat.

I love the springfeild style I just wish that it had the 116. I own a 2013 cheiftain Darkhorse and that 116 is a peach.

Riding anywhere in the Smokey’s you better be on your A game! You can ride a lot without riding a lot! You have pay attention and not be site seeing! That is my favorite area to ride but you really have to focus!

I know you were on a demo ride but those scouts redline at like 9k😭30/40 MPH in second gear isn’t even scratching the surface of the powerband lol. Thanks for the nicely put together review though !

Like your videos on 2024 lineup, I would like the stats printed or do voice caption.

Man I'm still holding out hope that Honda'll release 350cc (single cyclinder from the CB350/GB350) refresh of the asia-specific Phantom TA200 cruiser... Works really well for city riding for Asia

The Grom is a real bike compared to the scooter based Navi. All the skills apply to the Grom and it's a blast around town < 50 mph. 145 mpg if you ride it sanely.

If you didn't grow up there, then stay away from there. Or, CTFO when riding roads you've never seen before. There is no trophy waiting for you on the other side.

Very cool vid!

The fuel gauge wasn't affected by the elevation, but by the elevation changes. Going up burned more fuel and the fuel range estimates are based on the rate burned over a given time.

I rode the Cherohala Skyway last July and the folage was so dense it blocked the views. I usually ride like a maniac and sightseeing is not my thing. I just noticed it. Plus I was riding my hack.

Great Advise Ill be extra careful the first time

All look like crap

Hey Phil: awesome video and commentary. I may make a suggestion of one additional road to ride, next time you get to Deals Gap. If you come in from the North end and ride the Dragon, go past Deals Gap, through Robbinsville to where 129 comes to a "T" at US74. Take a left there, heading towards Bryson City, then turn right onto 1310 (Wayah Road) towards Franklin. That's where the Nantahala whitewater put-in is located. Having ridden the Dragon, Cherohala, Hellbender and others there many times, I find that ride very satisfying. Not as intense as the Dragon, more like Cherohala, but extremely scenic with many twists and turns. I don't know why it isn't high on the "biker's list", but the Porsche and Lotus clubs know it, and run it often. There's a very nice yurt village along the way there also. ANd it's just the right length to stop in Franklin for a meal.

Do the Cherohala Skyway...it's a much better ride. 43 miles of twists and turns!

Doing my research for heading down from Michigan to ride the tail and surrounding areas. Best vid I’ve found on the u tube. Appreciate the info re the other roads as well!

I feel you on the 'demodays" I went to my local Indian dealer in Grand Rapids, Michigan. I wanted take a Chieftain for a ride and they said it didn't have a battery as did "most".bikes... What dealer doesn't have batteries in all of there bikes? I have never encountered at other dealerships...

I got the Springfield 111, and I love it.

Everything looks fantastic...except for the flags - they gotta go!

I regularly ride my 2021 Springfield on tight and windy NZ roads after having been a Ducati rider for many years. Apart from the obvious limited cornering clearance and the couple of weeks it took to get used to a longer wheel base and much greater weight, I would say that the handling is superb and without fault. My only issue with the Indian is the high replacement cost of the bits that are getting ground off 😅.

I'm so torn to do Screaming Eagle Street Cannons. I don't want loud (My Rineharts were a bit too loud) but I'm so worried these Street Cannons won't be enough of a difference.

Thanks, nice summation of all the models and HD comparisons. Ex Road Glide owner and I loved my RG but I feel the Challenger is a better looking ride.😊

Prove positive that road test can't be done behind the desk.I was really hoping to get some rider feedback.Not specifications which are easily obtainable

I own a 16. Bought brand new. 65k miles. The thunder stroke 111 is an excellent power plant. Only gripe is electronics. Went thru 2 wheel speed sensors, headlight wiring, gear sensor, and now I have to swap out the wiring harness because of the loss of abs Speedo and a few other things. With these issues the bike never quit running. She's never let me down. But I will be trading after I get her fixed.

Finally, all the info you need without having to listen to bull. Thanks

Harley Road King (Standard, with windshield) has everything I want and leaves out everything I don't want.

All the features you're talking about on the glides is a negative for me... and I have a 2017 Ultra Classic that I've owned as a new hold-over on the showroom in 2018. In 2000 I owned a RK Classic and it is still the Harley I loved most. Before that I had a 94 Heritage Softail Classic, which I loved but it had zero get up & go. I'd love another Road King, but I'd add the QD windshield and QD top case and the reason would be to have a touring Harley w/o the infotainment system and all the other electronics that can fail or give headaches. P.S. I had a first run Pan America Special and it left me stranded way too many times. That's another bike they need to remove all the electronics from, the MOCO would have an absolute beast of a bike. The Pan Am showed me how detrimental those electronics are, even though some might think of them as "extras" So, that's probably one reason why the Road Kings sell so well. It's a purist' bike.

Harleys Road King IMHO, is the best bike Harley has to offer. The only cruiser that surpasses it is the Indian Springfield.

I dont do group demo rides....If i cant take it out by myself?....I dont do it....By the way am NOT in the market for a New 2024....Only looking for Freebies...