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@@a.c.garcia9983 you’re gonna love it.

@@mattberg916 🤣🤣🤣 sage advice.

This advice is obviously a joke, but Seriously though, hydrate well before the range and throughout the day.

Thank you! More coming soon.

@@toddprobasco9728 Yes, we already do. Some light bearing models are paused until we bring the 2024 light bearing models on line as well. But non light bearing models are available for both versions now.

You sir, are a gentleman and a scholar. Much appreciated.

@@coltontaylor4572 thanks man, I appreciate it!

Thanks!

Ultimately, everyone has to make their own choices based on their needs/desires but hopefully this video serves to help guide them, rather than take my opinion as gospel. The XC checked those same boxes for me for a several years and it is such a fun pistol that you can’t really go wrong with it. There are enough areas of my own shooting skill that challenge me though and I prefer not to add iron sights to that list. More power to ya for sticking with the “old ways”. 😉

@@haven_art God Bless America!

@@scottlanham3863 thanks man!

@@jameskozlowski5496 thanks!

@@ryanphillips8834 negatory.

@@mike-synthetica I did try this. I tried several soldering irons and none of them got hot enough to defeat the red loctite.

@@hammerarmament I have the Hakko FX888D, I set it at the highest setting which gets up to I think 899 F. Kinda expensive just to remove loctite but it's pretty useful if you also need to solder things.

Yeah that seems a bit light. If that’s the only gun you shoot, you get used to it. Especially if you are putting in a lot of practice. Jumping between guns with different trigger weights makes it a bit trickier. I’ve gotten pretty used to my atlas trigger with practice. HD is a maybe But I still wouldn’t feel comfortable carrying with it that light.

@@mrgregpappas thank you, kind sir.

@@ctowen5222 I mostly ran 147 gr from a few different manufacturers. 150 gr syntech was noticeably softer but not enough to justify the price. 124gr felt a bit faster and not much more felt recoil.

@@milspecmike8440 good catch. My brain was stuck on the original model but the current standard P is longer, as you said. The threaded version is longer still.

I think the problem exists where people are being led to believe that it will give them a performance improvement. But it’s really not that cut and dry. It *may* lead to an improvement in recoil control, especially if you have a poorly developed grip. But it isn’t necessary and also comes with drawbacks. Comfort is certainly subjective but I don’t find that the rest was any more comfortable than not having it at all. More power to ya if you did. But it isn’t a given that it will be more comfortable or will give you better performance. Most people will be better off simply focusing on improving their grip fundamentals and spending more time practicing.

@@hammerarmament Cool, what do I win?

@@rockie071 nothing. There was a spam bot impersonating us a couple days ago, replying to every comment on every video. It should be purged now but for future reference, any giveaway/prize comment on CZcams is a scam. Don’t click or reply to them.

We generally stick with what is listed on our website. It’s been quite a few years since we’ve had time for custom projects. Doesn’t hurt to shoot an email over to us though. Brent@hammerarmament.com

@@hammerarmament may just do that here in the future because no one makes a holster for a cz 85

Thank you!

If you happen to live in a town that starts with a G, it might be your local range.

@@hammerarmament yes it is lol pretty sure shot with you a few months ago at a plate rack challenge

Yes sir. Twas a cold day, that one.

Yes, it will soon.

I see where you are coming from, but going slow won’t help you get faster. Think of it this way: do race car drivers prep for a race by making slow corners around a parking lot? Or do they practice at high speed on the track? If you want to speed up, you gotta speed up and learn what that feels like. And pay attention to what breaks down. From there you can back off the speed slightly to a controllable level again, but you don’t want to go too slow and cause regression. In this case, I was trying to push reload times lower than .90 seconds shot to shot( never made it btw but did get close). “Slowing down” to 1.00 or 1.10 second is about as much as I’d want to go. The basic progression goes like this: start off at what I’m capable of for a bit, then push the speed. If the wheels fall off, try and notice why and back off a tad until consistency comes back. Then push speed again while making corrections. Rinse, repeat as needed. The purpose of the video is just to show that the process isn’t all successes. If you want to get better, you will fail along the way. And sometimes that’s funny.

That is worth considering and I did address this at the 07:48 mark. But…it also should be noted that all of the consumable parts (springs etc) essentially have the same service life on both. My opinion is that even though Staccatos are “mass produced” ,they have that process nailed down pretty well to the point that it’s mostly a non-issue for most people. Both our Athena and XC are north of 16,000 rounds now and wear is pretty comparable between the 2. Other than recoil springs, nothing has needed to be replaced and they both function without issue. That said, if you are planning on putting a high number of rounds on your gun in competition (10,000 + annually) I’d suggest an atlas and that you send it in to get it serviced once a year. If you are really dedicated to competing, you’ll probably want 2 so you have a spare (or a match gun and a training gun). If you have a tighter budget, you can still get really far with a Staccato P. Again, practice will make a bigger difference than just the gun. If you are planning on very high round counts on a gun and you are looking at the P, I would steer you towards the steel frame version. I have heard of some of the aluminum frame models breaking after 10,000 rounds. This is anecdotal, of course, but something to be aware of.

Nice!

Thanks for the feedback. I appreciate it.

I mentioned that in the video but edited it out for time savings. That is the more logical comparison, but I’ve been asked about these guns a lot. Like, enough times that I spent a week writing, filming and editing to address it. 😂 I think it’s mostly due to price point rather than features, that people ask about those two. I would like to eventually spend some time with a Sandhawk, Erebus and XC and see how they stack up.

I have the Erebus, XC, and have the TRS Comp on order. That would be a nice video.

I was pushing hard to try and get a sub 2 second 4 aces and sub 4 second double bill drill. Not quite happening that day.

It’s pretty nimble for a full size gun, tbh.

Thanks for watching! I think the “delicate” is the troublesome part for some.

You’ll never find your limit if you don’t push it!

We have a couple long form videos on them that might be worth checking out if you like the Athena and need help justifying it. 😉