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Hoping to hear updates about one or both of these shoes as we roll into the last four months of 2024. Is this a 700-mile shoe?

For most of us$250 is out of our price ranges , these are Tier 1 shoes , perhaps do some Tier 2 shoes, other than that, very cool

Worth the $$$$ more than Nike because my toes do not work with Nike- I hate Nike. Adidas kills my arches- too much structure? I truly don’t know how you guys can run in sooooo many different shoes without injury. Love love zero drop. Years of hip & knee pain resolved with zero drop.

Depth is not deep but if you struggle with Achilles tendon inflammation it helps.

Hey guys, was listening to your UTMB recap, and you spent a short bit of time talking about the shoes on some of the elites feet. I actually wondered this while I was watching...why do you think many of the Hoka athletes were wearing the Tecton 2.5s over the Tecton 3? Did you guys ever get to try those limited 2.5s? Just curious. Thanks guys!

Would you use any of these shoes as training shoes? Maybe not every day but every other day. I know these are very expensive shoes but if you could buy a pair with a big discount would you do it? If yes which one?

Wish y’all made a video about best backpacking or through hiking trail runners! Been binging your videos starting with the Caldera 7 to find an AT-esque terrain oriented shoe (Adirondacks, Whites, Longtrail, etc). I loved Caldera 5 and very torn on a replacement per y’all’s amazing analysis between the Caldera 7, Asics Trabuco Max 2 and this!

Picked up a pair of these because I have fond memories of Scarpa Hiking boots from doing Philmont way back in the day. I love these so far. Feel like La Sportivas but much more accommodating fit wise.

The North Face vectiv pro 2 is one of the worst shoes i've ever ran in. First of all, this is not a proper trail shoe. It has no grip whatsoever on the trails trails. It kinda feels like wearing the hoka carbon X series (which is a no grip ROAD shoe) on trails. The fit: While the front of the foot is hugely oversized, causing friction thus blisters, There is this achilles cushion which is annoying and makes it hard to get in the shoe. Locking the ankle is impossible. Durability: after 200k: the outsole is done. The nobs are all fading away on pressure points. Unacceptable for a 250 euro shoe. Clearly this shoe was commercially hyped as Thé ultra trail shoe and I fell for it. Don't buy this shit guys.

Too much talking. Get to the point. Overlay. Idk.

I think something that would be interesting is to define what exactly constitutes a super TRAIL shoe now, and a full list of what CP considers in that list. Foams, propulsive plates, stack, weight... marketing, feel/experience? Depending on the criteria you could include any Speedland with the plate installed, Brooks Catamount 3 or Agil (supercritical foam, both with the Skyvault plate which isn't carbon but I don't believe the Adidas Energy Rods are either?), and Asics FujiSpeed 3 (foam and carbon). Then would the Craft CTM Ultra Carbon count cause carbon, but no superfoam? And the Scott shoe with Carbitex? What about Prodigio Pro with no plate but has the foam. Dynafit Alpine DNA 2 with mystery foam and peba plate? Now that this category is seemingly coalescing, it is interesting to see what shoes count and which don't.

Since you mentioned rocky raccoon what are the best options for that? Assuming it’s not a muddy mess

I'm amazed to find out that Finn is a fan of the Altra Duo. I only know one person other than myself that liked that shoe. I actual had one pair left in my closet I bought for like $40 after they were discontinued. I'm saving them for a special occasion. I never thought the Adidas would work for me, but now I'm intrigued!

Crocs erasure

Great video! Would love to hear your take on the new Norda 005. Looks like it could be right up there with these trail super shoes

Great video guys I’ve got the Terrex and the Nike I prefer the Nike to Terrex but the Mont Blanc Carbon smashes both of them!

I really feel like trail running brands were too quick to jump on the road definition of super shoes with all the super high stack and rigid plates---I just want that middle ground of Endospeed 4 or Mach X with some shallow vibram lugs: 32-36mm of nicer foam with a more flexy composite plate that adds some snap + protection. The Terrex Speed was so close, and so is Brooks Cat 3, but they're both on that more minimal end, and don't really split the difference IMO; Really hoping the Prodigio Pro next year is this. Did get a chance to try the on Catamount 4 and man, that could be the shoe with the 2-3mm of DNA flash 2 they added!

Thanks!

Any chance you guy are going to review ASIC metafuji trail? A less technical trail shoe with carbon plate and ff turbo and ff blast+ iirc.

I watched Hella's video on the Tecton X3 and the 2.5. The 2.5 is dramatically different, less cushion and less propulsive from what I could gather, but easier to get on. Leave it to Hoka to screw up a good thing, just like they did the midsole of the last two versions of the Speedgoat.

This is actually very GOOD review. Verygood details mentioned

What about the Salomon SLab Ultra. That has plates and is FD’s shoe.

I’ve had 2 Speedgoat 5’s but with the Speedgoat 6 I went for the zegama 2 when I found them on sale I decided to try them instead.

This was fun. Got me thinking about Saucony and their Endorphin Edge. I loved it, then hated it and now love it again. No sign of them coming with a better version of it. It could be a contender 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿👍😸🦄

Très interesting - thankyou! I finally got hold of a pair of the Agravic Speed Ultras for a (more) reasonable price - the new blue colourway - and they confirm for me that the height around the (outer/lateral) ankles remains problematic for Adidas trail shoes: My first pair of the Speeds, not ultras, were my normal size 44 but ran a little long. I also had to cut away a large chunk of the upper under my left ankle bone to avoid blood but the lockdown was still good with a runners' knot. My second pair of Speeds (again not ultras - they were still not available) were 43 and 1/3 size and were a better fit and I had no ankle problems with a runners' knot - but above 20km the laces bit into the top of the foot so I had re-lace without the runners' knot whilst underway... Now the new Speed Ultra, the smaller 43 and 1/3 again, runners knot - now a bloody right ankle! Shoe-upper surgery has already been necessary. So all the Agravics remain borderline problematic - and you get extra grit in the shoes. On the positives - I like how the Ultra's mid/forefoot feels on the uphill and these are the shoes with the least toe-bashing on downhill. I also find them better cushioned around the heel on stony downhills versus the non-Ultras - BUT, and it's a big but - I've gone over on my ankle twice in the first 60km with the Ultras. So far that's not happened on the non-ultras with 390 kms - the two combined. A third time will not be a coincidence!! I anyway need a day or three of enforced rest after this morning's 'roll.' Of your other shoes: The Nike just doesn't look like a trail shoe to me, plus I've never seen one in the wild, and the North Face is currently very expensive - but I've placed an order for the Tecton x3 - so let's see.

Hi Guys, could you look at best shoes for the ARC of Attrition UTMB UK please. It’s a coastal course in SW England.

So the North face saves your legs more than the others at all paces?

Maybe I'm weird but I far preferred the NF Vectiv Sky over the Pro, felt far more stable and easy to run in. I had insole issues with the Pro - when they get wet the insole shifts and bunches.

The shoe is awesome!

Sorry, trying to understand the “supershoe” definition. Why wouldn’t the current Nnormal Kjerstag or Tomir 2.0 be qualified as a super shoe (example). Love this show, hope to chase one of you at the races one day!

asics metafuji trail is wild

That was a fun video. Will try and resist buying more shoes as currently can’t wear them out fast enough.

At 1:10:00 it’s Ultraspire. I literally never bought anything from them until this multiday distance.

Superblast 2 is pretty fun so far on dry / damp rookie traction trails.... although tall, fit and bucket seat keep me on top.... shoe is light, cushioned, and fast.

I feel like the ankle strength I had to build up in breaking in the Terrex Ultras made the Tecton 3 feel really stable when I took them out for runs here in the steep and rooty stuff around Chamonix. So far so awesome.

How big an upgrade is the X3 over the X2? Just tempted by the sale price on X2s right now. Found them for close to £100. Appreciate your reviews, picked up TNF altamesa 500 following your review and love them 🙌

Like the vid before watching cause I know what I'm getting. Was waiting for this one! I went and bought the Tecton X3 after watching the initial review and will race Grindstone in it come September. For me, it does not work in technical terrain at all, but god it feels good on smooth singletrack. Definitely got "super-shoed" on rocks, roots, etc. and was not pleasant LOL

lol I love this video. I was trying to count how many times y’all said Hoka tecton x3 😂 Got me interested now!

Hoka Mafate are amazing

Hey guys, of all the shoes mentioned, which shoes does the plate sit closer to the ground?

Trail Frankensteinshoe: Adidas Pro 3. I have glued thetongue of the Asics Novablast under the Adidas tongue Drilled some holes in the bottom to stand straight and stop ankle roll. Changed the lacing to have a solid lock Changed the insole, replaced with the insole of the Novalblast TR (stops sliding around( Will glue on silicon 3M bumpon dots on the upper mesh to create a toe bumper and protection for the top of the toes (big pebbles and small rocks hitting the upper foot hurts like a..) Open: a tad more tractionin front of the toes. I rotate my shoes every day, never run the same shoes 2 days in a row. I live at the base of the Alps, solid up and down, nothing flat and I have been running these shoes every single day last week.. they are awesome, the speed ultra did sole is absolute shait compared. The shoe is so fast on the trails it is nuts. X 3, is finally arriving, needed to import them from Spain.. Very curious

If Vincent Bouillard of all people prefers the x2.5 to the 3, that says something

As someone who has run in 3 of these. (Nike, Adidas, Hoka) I'd easily rank them... Adidas Speed Ultra, Hoka X3 and a distant 3rd Nike (can't speak on behalf of TNF)... Adidas just are ridiculously fast. They feel tangibly different than the other 3. If I hadn't already ran in the Adidas I would have loved the Hoka X3 as it feels like shoes I generally prefer but the Speed Ultra is just perfection. I found the the Hoka to stiffer which I tend to enjoy but the Adidas somehow just blended everything perfect. I do think the Hoka has better grip and I feel more stable in the Hoka. I feel I have to be far more cautious with my foot placement in the Terrex but I dont mind because I find it so good. When it comes to the Nike I wouldn't even have it in the conversation of these other two other than the fact it has a carbon plate. I find the nike to be to soft and very unstable compared to the others. I'm a big fan of nike road shoes but their trail stuff is just pitiful to me. Only thing I can say nicely about the Nike is it's a pretty looking shoe. Sucker for white trail shoes. ha

One look at the bottom of the VJ Lightspeed and I laughed, that wasp waist is a big no thanks. I already had major pronation issues with the VJUltra (has that model been discontinued?). The old S-Lab Sense7 had a similar profile and was good for ~10miles maybe -- $200 for a fore-foot-only very short distance racer, naw dog. A comparison vid on ~marathon-length-worthy shoes could be fun: maybe vectiv sky, terrex speed trail, possibly matryx longsky2, slab genesis?

I wonder what your favourite plate design is? Short, Forked, Split, Winged, Rods?

Champex foam... yeah, sounds good ahh...

Guys you are missing the new MetaFuji trail. It’s my favourite trail shoe ever. Event though it’s high stack it doesn’t feel unstable. Give it a go!

S/lab ultra or s/lab Genesis not in scope?

I must say, while i like the tecton x3, its not yet the magnum opus. Maybe the 2.5 was, but this the tec3 is an "almost there". My biggest issues are that Due to the lack of a full plate, you sink in way to much into both peba layers and have no rebound agent. Meaning sure its 40mm but it feels more like 20mm. It feels like the rebel v4 rather than a tecton x2. You have way more ground feel - too much honestly - and the 2 plates dont really help propel you forward. I really want to know if the 2.5 with its different midsole setup and 44mm works better. Its also the first shoe that i felt fast in but was running super slow. The vectiv pro 2 is a great shoe. Only thing you have to get used to is that high arch geometry of the midsole xD but its such a great shoe for cruising

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