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The Tolkien Society
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The Tolkien Society is an educational charity, literary society and worldwide fan club devoted to promoting the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien, author of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings. Our CZcams channel is to showcase our events, share talks and lecturers by Tolkien scholars, and help educate the public about the life and works of J.R.R. Tolkien.
Katie Lund – Novel Anxieties and the Legacy of Gothic and Romantic Fiction in The Lord of the Rings
“Not a novel, but an heroic romance”: Novel Anxieties and the Legacy of Gothic and Romantic Fiction in The Lord of the Rings
In a letter draft of 1971, Tolkien declares that he has “very little interest in serial literary history and no interest at all in the history or present situation of the English ‘novel.’ My work is not a ‘novel,’ but an ‘heroic romance’ a much older and quite different variety of literature” (Letters 1482-3). Despite this assertion, his insistence upon referring to The Lord of the Rings as a “romance” betrays his link to the “serial literary history” of the novel. Like Tolkien, writers of Romantic-era gothic novels frequently referred to their works as “romances” to “declare themselves anachronisms (throwbacks) in both literary history and the history of belief” (Lynch 63). In addition to this conscious experimentation with form, history, and genre, Romantic novelists were maneuvering around the literary, cultural, and even gendered baggage attached to the novel, as theorized by scholars such as Paula Backscheider (2009). My paper will consider how the generic anxieties and artistic goals of gothic novelists such as Ann Radcliffe can shed light on Tolkien’s own complex relationship with genre. Central to both Tolkien and the gothic writers’ usage of the term “romance” is an explicit temporal dislocation from the era in which they were writing. My paper will therefore also examine the echoes of the Romantic “historical novel” - a form linked to both gothic revivalism as well as the works of Sir Walter Scott - in The Lord of the Rings, focusing on the depiction of the Shire and the Hobbits. Tolkien’s creation of the in-universe text The Red Book of Westmarch as a narrative framing device has been connected to the “found manuscript” conceit popular in eighteenth-century epistolary fiction (Thompson 1988). However, its relationship to the Romantic-era historical novel - including the gothic - has been neglected. I will consider these resonances alongside the wistful reference to the world of Jane Austen in Tolkien’s published correspondence in my reading of The Lord of the Rings as a kind of double historical novel - in which Tolkien re-envisions England’s past while the Hobbits recount theirs. Ultimately, my paper seeks to determine how the historical turn of Romantic and gothic prose fiction may be brought to bear on Tolkien’s imaginative repositioning of the novel and the pervasive sense of nostalgia, threaded throughout his Middle-earth Legendarium, for his own mythical history.
In a letter draft of 1971, Tolkien declares that he has “very little interest in serial literary history and no interest at all in the history or present situation of the English ‘novel.’ My work is not a ‘novel,’ but an ‘heroic romance’ a much older and quite different variety of literature” (Letters 1482-3). Despite this assertion, his insistence upon referring to The Lord of the Rings as a “romance” betrays his link to the “serial literary history” of the novel. Like Tolkien, writers of Romantic-era gothic novels frequently referred to their works as “romances” to “declare themselves anachronisms (throwbacks) in both literary history and the history of belief” (Lynch 63). In addition to this conscious experimentation with form, history, and genre, Romantic novelists were maneuvering around the literary, cultural, and even gendered baggage attached to the novel, as theorized by scholars such as Paula Backscheider (2009). My paper will consider how the generic anxieties and artistic goals of gothic novelists such as Ann Radcliffe can shed light on Tolkien’s own complex relationship with genre. Central to both Tolkien and the gothic writers’ usage of the term “romance” is an explicit temporal dislocation from the era in which they were writing. My paper will therefore also examine the echoes of the Romantic “historical novel” - a form linked to both gothic revivalism as well as the works of Sir Walter Scott - in The Lord of the Rings, focusing on the depiction of the Shire and the Hobbits. Tolkien’s creation of the in-universe text The Red Book of Westmarch as a narrative framing device has been connected to the “found manuscript” conceit popular in eighteenth-century epistolary fiction (Thompson 1988). However, its relationship to the Romantic-era historical novel - including the gothic - has been neglected. I will consider these resonances alongside the wistful reference to the world of Jane Austen in Tolkien’s published correspondence in my reading of The Lord of the Rings as a kind of double historical novel - in which Tolkien re-envisions England’s past while the Hobbits recount theirs. Ultimately, my paper seeks to determine how the historical turn of Romantic and gothic prose fiction may be brought to bear on Tolkien’s imaginative repositioning of the novel and the pervasive sense of nostalgia, threaded throughout his Middle-earth Legendarium, for his own mythical history.
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Will Sherwood - “We’re in the same tale still!” Mapping British Romantic Transformations in Tolkien
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will-sherwood.com/ Studies on British Romanticism’s legacies in the twentieth and twenty-first centuries (Harris 2010, Sandy 2013, Ahmed 2019) have examined dialectical tensions between Romanticism, contemporary authors, and media but excluded J.R.R. Tolkien (1892-1973). Consequentially, scholarship has overlooked Tolkien’s legacies through adaptations of Middle-earth and his lasting influence ...
Robert T. Tally Jr. - “Fiery the Angels rose”: The Romantic Prometheanism of Tolkien’s Enemies
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Milton’s Satan in the seventeenth century was hardly viewed as heroic, yet in his resistance to supreme authority and bold transvaluation of values (“Evil, be thou my Good”) he emerges as a sort of tragic hero for many Romantics such as William Blake or later Herman Melville. Like Prometheus, whom Percy Bysshe Shelley freed from his classical bonds, Satan is a figure of noble rebellion against ...
Kristine Larsen - Rape, Enslavement, and Objectification of Tolkien’s Aredhel and Blake’s Oothoon
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"Enslav’d, the Daughters of Albion weep”: Rape, Enslavement, and Objectification of Tolkien’s Aredhel and Blake’s Oothoon One of Tolkien’s most problematic tales is Eöl’s “taking to wife” of Aredhel. Scholars, some raising charges of widespread misogyny in Tolkien’s subcreation, debate whether this episode constitutes rape (acknowledging Aredhel’s description as “not unwilling”). The analysis i...
Timothy Morton (Keynote) - The Grey-Rain Curtain Turned All to Silver Glass: Heavenly Tolkien
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As the author of Hell: In Search of a Christian Ecology, making a turn to theology, I am thinking about one Tolkien paradox the most. A deep part of Tolkien’s magic is the fact of a Christian taking on European “pagan” mythology, as part of an explicitly Christian mission (The Inklings). If I was going to choose one crucial focal point of this paradox, it would be the lack of an afterlife in Mi...
Bethany Cole - How Shelley’s Philosophy of Poetic Language is Revived in Middle-earth
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“The Footsteps of Nature”: How Shelley’s Philosophy of Poetic Language is Revived in Middle-earth It is well known that J.R.R. Tolkien’s philology was influenced by Owen Barfield’s Poetic Diction. However, the ideas in Barfield can be traced further back to the Romantic poet Percy Bysshe Shelley, particularly his essay titled “A Defense of Poetry.” In this paper, I wish to explore how Berkeleia...
Sara Brown - The Passion of Fear or The Passion of Love? Aesthetics, Gender, & Tolkien’s Man-maiden
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‘The Passion of Fear’ or ‘The Passion of Love’? Aesthetics, Gender, and Tolkien’s ‘Man-maiden’ As an aesthetic trend setter for many of the Romantics, Edmund Burke’s ideas on the nature of ‘the beautiful’ and ‘the sublime’ were highly influential. For Burke, there were fundamental differences between the two concepts, with the beautiful being that which is well-formed and aesthetically pleasing...
Mariana Rios Maldonado & Andoni Cossio - Romantic Imagination in Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer and Tolkien
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Re-enchantment in the Romantic Imagination of Gustavo Adolfo Bécquer and J.R.R. Tolkien Studies on the presence of Romantic elements in J.R.R. Tolkien’s literary production have steadily risen to prominence, especially since the publication of Julian Eilmann’s landmark monograph J.R.R. Tolkien: Romanticist and Poet (2017) and, more recently, the edited collection The Romantic Spirit in the Work...
Lea Grosen Jørgensen - Tracing the Echo of the Romantic Poet in Tolkien’s ‘Beowulf’
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A Scandinavian Legend in Old English Letters: Tracing the Echo of the Romantic Poet in Tolkien’s ‘Beowulf’ Both scholars and fans of J.R.R. Tolkien’s authorship generally agree that the medieval poem ‘Beowulf’ was essential for his studies in Old English literature and his creation of Middle-earth. Today, his famous essay “Beowulf: The Monsters and the Critics” (1936) is considered a milestone ...
Annise Rogers - Word and Image: Tolkien, Blake, and the Idea of the Romantic manuscript
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Defining Tolkien in the context of European Romanticism can be a complicated task. Eilmann states that ‘Tolkien’s work does not exhibit all characteristics typical for Romanticism [but] this is not a criterion for exclusion’ (2017, p.48). Nonetheless, while this is due in part to the difficulties of defining Romanticism more generally, not least for Blake himself, I suggest that in examining ho...
Cami Agan - “Fled is that Music:” Elvish Art as Romantic Portal
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British Romantic poets from Wordsworth and Coleridge to Keats and P. Shelley frequently represented the poet’s creative impulse, or the state necessary to access the imagination, using images of intoxication, dream, delirium, madness, vision, and (near) death. Whether the conduit to access these states be Natural, as in the skylark, the nightingale, a thunder storm; spatial, as in an open casem...
Eric Reinders - Interview about Reading Tolkien in Chinese
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Will and Hannah interview Eric Reinders about his new book 'Reading Tolkien in Chinese'. You can find the book here: www.bing.com/search?pglt=169&q=reading tolkien in chinese&cvid=81dbf9ce802b43979537074f0b835f08&gs_lcrp=EgZjaHJvbWUqBggAEEUYOzIGCAAQRRg7MgYIARAAGEAyBggCEAAYQDIGCAMQABhAMgYIBBAAGEAyBggFEAAYQDIGCAYQRRg8MgYIBxBFGDwyBggIEEUYPNIBCDYxODdqMGoxqAIAsAIA&FORM=ANNTA1&PC=HCTS
Taylor Driggers & Mariana Rios Maldonado - The Fall of Númenor as a Theology of Failure
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The ‘Akallabêth’ and The Fall of Númenor contain one of the few instances of formalized religion within Tolkien’s legendarium. This religion, instated by Sauron as its high priest and prophet, proclaims the worship of Morgoth in forms that coincide with the Númenóreans’ quest for power and immortality, hoarding of wealth, and exercise of imperialistic domination. These pursuits suggest that the...
Jeffrey Moore - 'The Epilogue of The Lord of the Rings and a Retrospective Apocalypse'
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Tolkien’s planned, but unpublished, ending for The Lord of the Rings (the Epilogue) places Sam and his family - and the reader - in a context that clearly looks to a possible future through the lens of an accomplished past. One implied question for Sam and his family as they anticipate the coming of the king is, “How are our lives as people in community shaped and changed by the reality of the ...
David Chambers - 'Black Eucatastrophe and Black Power'
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Scholarship on the life and work of J.R.R. Tolkien can tend to marginalize itself by failing to engage in the topics of race, gender, and class. Considering the continuous presence of neo-fascist ideologies and movements, investigations into the long-standing affinity these said groups have for Tolkien becomes necessary. Much research into this area has been done in the last decade. However, de...
Tom Martin - 'The Tao of Tom Bombadil'
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Tom Martin - 'The Tao of Tom Bombadil'
Mercury Natis - 'Baruk Khazâd! Antisemitism, Jewish Joy, and Dwarven Contexts'
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Mercury Natis - 'Baruk Khazâd! Antisemitism, Jewish Joy, and Dwarven Contexts'
Brianna Burdetsky - 'Tolkien and Roth: The Legendarium Meets Jewish History'
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Brianna Burdetsky - 'Tolkien and Roth: The Legendarium Meets Jewish History'
Rafael Silva Fouto - 'Pagan Magic and the Marvelous: Songs of Enchantment in The Silmarillion'
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Rafael Silva Fouto - 'Pagan Magic and the Marvelous: Songs of Enchantment in The Silmarillion'
Adam Debosscher - 'The Pyre of Denethor: from suicide on the page to manslaughter on the screen'
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Adam Debosscher - 'The Pyre of Denethor: from suicide on the page to manslaughter on the screen'
Hollie Willis - 'Unpacking Tolkien’s Depiction of Cremation in the Context of Catholic Canon Law'
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Hollie Willis - 'Unpacking Tolkien’s Depiction of Cremation in the Context of Catholic Canon Law'
Erik Jampa Andersson - 'Tolkien, Revelation, and the Tibetan Treasure Tradition'
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Erik Jampa Andersson - 'Tolkien, Revelation, and the Tibetan Treasure Tradition'
Alexandra Filonenko - 'On Some Esoteric Motifs in The Silmarillion'
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Alexandra Filonenko - 'On Some Esoteric Motifs in The Silmarillion'
Sonali Chunodkar - 'A Barthesian Interpretation of Sub-creation in Tolkien'
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Sonali Chunodkar - 'A Barthesian Interpretation of Sub-creation in Tolkien'
Ilana Mushin - 'Finrod the Mensch: A Jewish Perspective'
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Ilana Mushin - 'Finrod the Mensch: A Jewish Perspective'
Nick Groom - Interview about Twenty-First-Century Tolkien
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Nick Groom - Interview about Twenty-First-Century Tolkien
Putri Prihatini - 'Parallels between Aldarion, Uinen, Mataram Sultanate, and Javanese Sea Queen'
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Putri Prihatini - 'Parallels between Aldarion, Uinen, Mataram Sultanate, and Javanese Sea Queen'
Irina Metzler - 'Dealing with the Dead: Nuances of ancient Egypt and medieval theology in Númenor'
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Irina Metzler - 'Dealing with the Dead: Nuances of ancient Egypt and medieval theology in Númenor'
Advait Praturi - 'Discovering A Númenórean Theological Anthropology of Worship'
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Advait Praturi - 'Discovering A Númenórean Theological Anthropology of Worship'
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This selection of quotes is a real celebration of the poetic state of mind. Inspiring stuff.
Absolutely mind-numbing content. There are people on reddit who can present better talking points than this same-old same-old garbage.
I really enjoyed this talk. Thank you very much.
People should look at "Spiritual Destinations of an Anarchist" by Peter Lamborn Wilson
looking at my copy of Rimas y Leyendas by Becquer.. needs a re-read
Book recommendation for "wrestling Christianity away from the fascists": Timothy Patitsas, The Ethics of Beauty. On the God-shaped absence: Edmond Jabes, writing poetry about God (in French), offers the paradox NUL/L'UN.
Tolkien's Beowulf is the book i will read next, i finished The Monsters and the critics compilaton book in may, this presentation right here is also wonderful as background context and analysis!
Beautiful and sublime talk, Sara!
Thank you!
lovely nerdy q&a
What?? Don’t forget the kitchen sink, lady.
Sara Brown always gets a click
Thanks!
I enjoy this Buddha-inspired approach to examining reality immensely! It's not about good and evil, but rather more real and less real. The less real is always an idealistic, intellect-fueled reduction of truth. The real is meaningful, while the not real can become meaningtudinous at best. Big love for Timothy and his work, especially in the last few years! 💜
BTW the combination of buddhism, christianity, ecology and Tolkien is the best crossover we can get. This is the way, the truth and the life!
I can't heart this enough. Absolutely transcendent. Thank you.
"Upon that ship which was cast the highest and stood dry upon a hill there was a man, or one in man’s shape, but greater than any even of the race of Numenor in stature...And it seemed to men that Sauron was great; though they feared the light of his eyes. To many he appeared fair, to others terrible; but to some evil."
My comment on this video in particular has nothing to do with THIS video but with the channel itself. I am sure they know by now why so, so many lifelong Tolkien fans are unsubscribing. One of the few places in the world we go gets infiltrated by the same garbage agenda as everywhere else? No thanks, we'll stick to Tolkien's vision, please take your agendas elsewhere. Specific videos actually disable comments and dislikes which is so telling. Tolkien Society should have millions of subs, which it won't, because of the garbage.
Burdetsky was most insightful. I'd like to thank the Tolkien Society for hosting her! Is there a transcript/minutes available that could be used to provide accurate captions for the hearing impaired? The only drawback to this was in trying to follow this with CZcams's text. ♥
Pseudo-intellectual tosh.
Jacob Boehme also seems to have read the Revelation retrospectively, by harmonizing it with the crucification accounts (basically coming to the understanding that all of this and all of creation as described in Genesis is happening eternally and at every moment as creatio continua)
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1) The desire for power and immortality, which are the main factors in the fall of Númenor, are actually themes that support each other. In addition to being commodity-based, the desire for power also applies to the spiritual (metaphysical) dimension. Having immortality as you gain power, gaining immortality and gaining more power. This idea became a sociological phenomenon over time in Númenórean society. 2) As seen in his words to Húrin, Melkor states that everything is shaped according to his will since he incarnated his spiritual power into Arda. Aware of these two facts, Sauron shaped his manipulation of the Númenóreans on the axis of power-immortality and directed them to the cult of Melkor, taking the driving force of their corruption from Melkor's will. When pure faith is commodified under the name of a religion with structures such as temples (the effect of Melkor's will on the structures structured from the material of Arda in which he is incarnated) or when certain rules based on coercion are defined as a whole (limitation of free will), evil (Melkor's will) ) tends and corrupts. This is how I read why Tolkien does not include structures such as religion and temples in Númenor and why they cause malevolent connotations.
15:15 - don't apologize.
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pagan doctrines of The Trinity, the Virgin Birth, Sunday Worship, Christmas, Easter, etc. were all formulated and the New Testament texts altered to “imply” these new doctrines in direct contradiction of explicit commandments from YHVH. Throw in the obelisk (steeple) with the cross of Tammuz and the new religion was now complete and Constantine had his “Universal (Catholic) Church”. He then brought in all the pagan sun worshipping “fathers and nuns” from Mithraism and Brigit worship, altered the texts of the New Testament to fit his new religion, and began teaching the illiterate masses a lie that this “religion” was based on The Bible. He then killed any dissenters in the inquisition and banished all intellectual thought in The Dark Ages and 2,000 years later we have accepted every word of this lie as “Truth”. Still to this very day, no one questions “why” the name Jesus gives glory to Zeus not YHVH and “why” the name is not even in the Hebrew language. More information: Hesus Horus Krishna - The False Messiah Jesus Christ Do not go looking for knowledge Constantines sun Jesus H Christ is all the knowledge you need, he is the way the truth the life, the only way for enternal life is by idol worshipping his sun 🌞 ☀️ *Eats forbidden tree of knowledge aka Kabbalist Teachings* Reaches level 10 G-d consciousness *Makes the powers that be my foot stool* When the Holy One, blessed be He, created Adam, He created him androgynous, as it is said, “He created them male and female and… He called them Adam.” Genesis Rabbah 8:1 < " the Xtrian Gnostics *christ consiouness* You fools!
4Q427 Fr 7 7 [... is not like] my [instruct]ion 8 [... who is like me] among the gods 9 [... who can measure what issues from my lips, who] will summon me with the tongue 10 [... I am friend of the kin]g, companion of the holy ones, and not shall come 11 [to me ... and] can not be compared [to] my [glo]ry, f[o]r I, with the gods is [my] position (10) is where you find (him) former life's *hint* incarnation and reincarnation (11:11) is his # it will point 👉 you to (7) which will take you to heaven.
Very interesting talk. While some Gnostic themes are quite recognizable, I think the Hermetic comparison is more valuable and this view was closest to Tolkien's ideas. It is also very interesting to compare Tolkien's mythos with the ideas from the late Catholic hermeticist Valentín Tomberg, specially in his magnum opus Meditations on the Tarot.
Wait... Is Lupin III a Tolkienist ?
Thank you to the Tolkien Society for uploading these presentations. I'm the presenter in this video, so if anybody has any questions I'm happy to continue the discussion now that the video is online.
David seems to be a big fan of the first season of Lupin
Who is this mumbling schmuck who can't be bothered to comb his hair?
I spent many years puzzling over Mr. Bombadil. I finally decided that he was in the books to show us a life without fear. A life as Eru intended. The Hobbits show us people that have mostly forgotten fear, but Bombadil has never known it. He's not afraid of anything, not even social pressure :).
Om Namah Shivaya Har Har Mahadev
It gladdens my heart that i left this society ..I joined in 1981 when i was 14 years old.I am now 56, and i must say our society now is a shell of what it was . How can you support a company that is unlike Sauron, but more like Morgoth ? I have just finished watching The Rings Of Power, and have come to the conclusion that ...there is no Tolkien ,and i mean NO TOLKIEN in the tv series at all .....absolute zero writing in any of his texts,and i am wondering why as a society whom i loved , WHY did you sell out to Amazon? Please answer ,apart from a few place names and charactors,what actual Tolkien is in this sham of a show which our (sorry your) society endorses? Or am i missing something?
This has more Tolkien in it and it was released in 1975 than the Rings of Power will ever have czcams.com/video/kXbAS_HJugg/video.html
Great!!!
We have two German translations. In the older, the passage is translated word for word and simply doesn't work, because German doesn't have a man/Maan distinction, it only ever means man. So Pippin called himself genderless. The other translation completely reworked the passage with none of the punniness. There, Pippin agrees he's a man but points out that he's not human but hobbit
Do we know whether Westron allows for this ambiguity like I'm English? It doesn't even work in German where Mann is always unambiguous and never refers to humans or humankind. How about Sindarinm
Numenorean's were great at paying the Gift forward! The attempts at making sense of the "Gift of Men" by Tolkien have always rung hollow and intellectually poor
A great talk!
It is known that the British Empire, as a England-centered European state, started colonization as of the 17th century and established colonies in the Americas in this context. The reflection of Tolkien's interest in the colonization of the society in which he grew up may have occurred through the Kingdom of Númenor. Although he states that he does not resort to allegory in his works, I think that the policy followed by Tolkien on Middle-earth in the historical process of Númenor, which he fictionalized, can be considered as a kind of colonization. Colonization, which started with his son and heir Aldarion during the reign of Tar-Meneldur, the fifth Númenórean king (SA 740-883), evolved into an imperial structure with the degeneration of Númenor on the way to decline over time (I will not go into historical detail here), and its ecological impact on the forests of Middle-earth was adversely affected as demonstrated. The story of Aldarion and Erendis is actually an expression by Tolkien on Númenor of how colonization and the resulting imperialism had a negative impact on the ecological structure and balance of the environment.
Love it. 😌😘
With herbs and stewed rabbit for the main meal ^_^
And po ta toes!
@@esterhudson5104 What's taters, eh?
As can be understood from the subject he presented, Mr. Alpaslan is taking firm steps towards becoming a different academic. Thank you for the informative presentation.
Ooo fuck menn ! Terrible. İmpressive please upload videos alpaslan very nice video.thx
extremely interesting!!!