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Index Finger Assisted Thumb Draw using Manchu Ring
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Index Finger Assisted Thumb Draw using Manchu Ring
Budget Modern Lamellar vs. Target Bow
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IMO there are 2 categories of factors to consider when we talk about arrow vs. lamellar armor: 1. The bow, the arrow, and the archer; 2. The material and geometry of the lamellar plates and the lacing material, as well as the construction of the lamellar armor (how it is laced together) What would happen when a set of bow and arrow that are down-scaled in power are used against a piece of lamel...
Can this wannabe manchu warrior guy put on his armor by himself?
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May the armor bring joy to her new owner. Check out our custom works: cathayarmory
Manchu Thumb Ring-the Ultimate Brief Guide
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The correct geometry, fitting, and a crucial trick to comfortably use the Manchu ring
The Full Draw-a Simple Trick
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Feeling stuck drawing the Manchu bow to its full? Check out this simple trick :)
The “waist issue” on Chinese Brigandine Armor
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Is the Asian brigandine armor hanging all its weight on the wearer's shoulders?
How to shoot the bow properly wearing armor
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How to shoot the bow properly wearing armor
The Secret of String Slapping Face
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Many people trying the Manchu how’s long draw have the painful string slapping on the face issue. Here is how to avoid it without much effort. No hard-turning of neck.
Weapon Test on the Lamellar Armor made of Polycarbonate Plates
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Weapon Test on the Lamellar Armor made of Polycarbonate Plates
Poly Carbonate Lamellar Armor Test and Thoughts
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Poly Carbonate Lamellar Armor Test and Thoughts
Thank you! I must try this! What does putting the bow arm out in front of the body a little more actually do for the Draw process? I imagine it helps force us to utilize more back muscles, which of course helps the draw and the release. Archery form is so hard to explain and yet once you feel it :)
@@kirkglundal4289 it gives you more space to push the bow
Even budget lamellar is arrow resistant. Budget maille would have been penetrated easily.
yeah budget mail is pretty bad. But this is just a 35lbs manchu bow here---i would not consider it arrow resistant at all lol.
I love the technical style developing out of the Mongolic style bridangine armors from the Yuan times onward. In Europe, coats of plate and brigandine defenses mostly focus on these strict cuirasses, either implementing minor brig limb defenses or overlap or otherwise just trying to integrate it all over the body in a single piece. Meanwhile the Yuan Dynasty onwards up into the Manchus, the philosophy instead is that if there's a bloody *centimeter* of exposure in the flanks or the seam of the plates, we need to overlap that potential gap with its own flap of brig plates. It's a shame the one video on youtube testing the reproductions gets overpenetrated to hell because it's a manganese steel alloy that cracks from excessive hardness.
@@wyattw9727 that manganese steel is not historical but historically these armors are only meant to be sufficient safe from arrows further than 30m
@@cathayarmory7328 I suppose it's also sufficient to be safe for SCA related sparring or even HEMA feders. Although I'd feel certain that the armors would be proof against non Manchu bows closer, since it's those gnarly composites with heavy grain arrows that were infamous for piercing hauberks. Also iirc, the Manchu armor in museums is possibly ceremonial armor with superficially thin plates vs what was worn during the establishment of the dynasty, or at least so I've been told.
@@wyattw9727 Qing minimum warbow draw weight 65lbs, Song minimum warbow draw weight about the same.
How thick were the plates in question in mm? Probably superior materially to historical plates but shaping and thinness to historical standards leaving it ineffective.
@@wyattw9727 0.5mm. Even at 1mm it is a bad design. Non historical means bad.
TBH this is better than I'd expect of what, 3mm, 4mm of polycarbonate? 40 pound bow is pretty light as power goes but 6mm or thicker and you might have better than most historical lamellae lol. Also man I just love the pattern of continental north-east Asian lamellar pauldrons. The mobility offered is immense without bunching or needing to be rigid like Avar-style cuirasses. Surprised it didn't spread west.
@@wyattw9727 I am surprised of the bad lamellar reconstruction done by Russian and European archaeologists and reenactors TBH ;)
@@cathayarmory7328 Oh definitely, Avar cuirasses are legitimate but what I hate is how they're so poorly shaped to the body usually, too long in the chest, unsculpted tubes, and applied to non Avar armors too. Good Lamellar vendors seem to be exclusively Chinese, mongol, Japanese, or Turkic in focus. There's a couple good western lamellar guys like Dawson and some Polish company that made a really good looking Klibania, but so much of it is sooooo baaaaad. The thing that irritates me the most is when you see lamellar cuirasses with the Avar T-Shirt shape that leaves so much of the front breast exposed, or the clavicle. I think the Russian vendors make the armpits too broad for a 'one size fits all' attitude vs sculpting it to the customer's specifics.
Woah looks like we are neighbours 😮 Just getting into ming military draw and this was very helpful
For some reason it is hard to find arrows longer then 80 cm. It makes full draw unlikely...
www.alibowshop.com/product-page/heavy-thick-shaft-manchu-arrow
Yeah FD that thing🎉🔥
FD?🧐
Where can i get qing armor?
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@cathayarmory7328 thank you ^^ How much was the price?
Yeeessssssss
Wowzers! That’s basically a miniature javelin 😳!!
When you sell armor, I hope you can do it at AliExpress
No way. Aliexpress is for mass produced cheap items ;)
@@cathayarmory7328 I saw expensive armor on AliExpress, so I left a comment just in case If it was possible to sell it, I was going to buy it when I had some spare money 😭😭😭
I still come back to this video regularly to hone my draw
Where can I buy this bow?
Alibow Yarha II
manchu Barbarian Brigandine Armor
Which banner you belong to 🤔?
Hi, as someone new into asiatic archery, I have an question: Can I apply manchurian archery techniques into tibetan bow shooting? I notice that tibetan bows look similar to manchu bows just smaller.
yes you may.
@@cathayarmory7328 🙏
1 got to love history every culture and nation has some. And 2 watching him jump rope in armor got me out of breath
manchu armor not chinese armor dislike👎 Are you really that stupid and don't know what real Chinese traditional armor looks like?If you don't know, I can send you pictures and videos.
Manchu armorBarbarians have no civilization. Not han chinese armor
Keep up the good work! You are earning lots of 5 mao money paid by the Imperial Republic of Han
The Manchu armor is a very poor piece of armor Han Chinese armor is very good, very protective and comes in many styles.and beautifuland very cool满族盔甲是质量很差的盔甲,汉族盔甲非常好,防护性强,款式多样,而且很漂亮,很酷
😆you really work hard lol
Manchu armor not han chinese armor
This type of armor was originally equipped by the Mongols, and later inherited by the Han and Korean people. The Manchu people of the Qing Dynasty also inherited the armor of the Han people of the Ming Dynasty. If I put the armor of the Ming Dynasty together with the armor of the Qing Dynasty, you should not recognize it
@@user-ln2me2bu4khe is most definetely a troll.
This type of armor was originally installed by the Han people, not the Mongols. @@user-ln2me2bu4k
@@user-ln2me2bu4k This type of armor was originally installed by the Han people, not the Mongols.
Are you a Manchu as well? I am half mongolian half Manchurian. Mangolian if you like lmao.
Монгол улс
清代铠甲和明代铠甲最大的区别是头盔明代留长发有个发髻所以头盔是椭圆的比较高,清代人剃发所以头盔比较矮,清朝人祖先在满洲就是为了方便穿戴铠甲头盔所以把头发剃了
这是错误认知。顶发髻其实无法稳定带盔。必须把发髻解开,配上合适的衬帽。另外明代也不存在什么高盔,都是差不多的高度。
what is it that dao sword ? Its training sword ?
Synthetic material training sword. Weight and balance somehow close to a real sword.
@@cathayarmory7328 Is it from Wukusi armory?
I just realized something by looking on Chinese armour manual pictures and your video. Why do you have only plate for the gaps between the groin and left hip but there is none for the right hip? What is practical reasons for it? I get ocd from asymmetric design.
The earliest Qing armor would have the square pieces on both sides, by the 18th century only one is on the left side, because there is a big thick quiver on the right side to cover the opening.
Love this era armour. Adequate with no over engineering like the west allowing mass production. Not to mention quite fashionable that people often didn't know that this is a suit of steel plated armour. Saw a website where they tested it against arrow types. Really robust and you could easily repair or replace the damaged plates. I saw modern reproduction of western armor split during real combat event forcing the referee to stop the fight. No armor is invincible. All we need is something that could get the job done.
Actually there were also non-mass produced version of these in the Qing era. Some started to show development over traditional types with more fitting leg pieces and even knee plates. On the other hand there was also mass-produced simple European plate armor in the 16 to 17th century too.
@@cathayarmory7328 love to see the high end types of Chinese armor. Also the Korean ones of the same era. I've read they put lacquered leather over the plates instead of fabric. So little video info these days. Yes, the west has the same mass produced too but Interesting info I got when they compared Chinese, the western are a lot heavier in weight. They classified them as "light" armour according to its protection potential but most are heavier than the expensive plate armours. Though there is the "Jack of Plates" type that is reliable, cheap and easily produced. But it came late in the firearm era and mostly used against native Americans due to its versatility in jungle combat. Though Scottish targe shield still useful, capable of deflecting musket shot. Is there a similar Chinese shield in the firearm era?
Manchu had no civilization and was influenced by Han culture in every way.
haha typical🙃
小猫球球
european brigandines tend to be designed to taper at the waist, i never understand why they didnt just use a belt like this and call it a day
Why do you have a European sword😂😂😂, your face is not a strong north East Asian face. Looks like a southeast Asian face😂
That title has never been said in the history of mankind
How did the Manchu keep their hands warm when shooting with a thumbring?
the cuff on the robe covers the back of the hand when shooting the bow. After shooting just pull the sleeve down to cover the whole hand
Okay, THAT was cool and helpful. I was wondering why my thumb started to hurt badly after a few draws... after watching this video, I realized and had a mild forehead slap because it's so obvious now XD I had my thumb in a bad alignment so the whole weight of the draw was held by one joint... yep, was a nice learning curve for sure. 👍
glad it can be helpful :)
How much did you pay for it (excluding the sword)?
Thanks for this. What was your draw length at the end?
Too bad I can't really find any Chinese armor that can be used for sports combat. The closest is Mongolian.
If you are talking about HMB and heavy SCA the historical mongol armors also cannot handle that too. What you need is non-historical armor to do those "full contact combat".
Steel mastery would be the place to go
Steel mastery is a bit too expensive, alot of their things are marked up 30-50% more than than what I see other reputable armor smiths do. The best ones I've seen are Master Uley doing Khorasan armor (Modern day Middle East) a early mongol-esqe heavy armor, and Sharukhan Market that focuses on Middle east and Mongol armor. But if you buy certain parts and comission aesthetic pieces that make up Chinese armor, you could assemble yourself a functional kit. Like sharukhan Market's Turanian Dragon Chest Armor. It costs 1,800 dollars , Looks hella bad ass and only slightly over priced when comparing to other pieces of similar styles.@@AssasiCraftYogUscus
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Wrong flag lol
Отлично!!! Сколько фунтов этот маньжурский лук?
60lbs@33"
>Manchu bow video >uses Mongol song
heheheh jumping rope in brigandine very nice that would be a workout pretty fast :) ps just had a image of a ancient chinese sergeant saying 1 size fits all and throwing a belt in face of a Levey complaining about fit how do you make 600,000 suits of iron lamellar & have them all fit? no waist & a fully self customizable .... belt lmao genius, (it really is)
maybe the amrour would perform better if placed tight against a persons torso, so it cant bend
historical plates have little curvature on the horizontal and vertical direction so the arrow won't glide into it. These plates are just bad (too thin and wrong geometry)
horn bow?
fiberglass
Do you consider vermil manchu ring a good ring? I´ve heard that one isnt very good.
not very authentic in its geometry but may work with some people at lighter draw weights. The material may become slippery more easily than moose antler if the thumb sweats too.
Why ? Most bows safely only draw 28 inches. Why have a 33 inch draw bow if you only draw 27 inches ? Get a ?lb bow at 28 inches. Don't draw longer than manufacturer's length or you may overtress the bow. Your advice is incomplete to my way of thinking.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Manchu_bow
Manufacturers of modern recurve bows use 28" as a standard for measuring draw weight, but most can be safely drawn well beyond that. Western/modern archery styles use an anchor on the face to facilitate consistency and fingers to hold the string. These styles have evolved for accuracy in hunting or target shooting situations, usually where the archer is standing still. For many traditional Asian styles of archery they don't anchor on the face and sometimes they use a thumb ring. Most of these styles were developed to be used in war (sometimes on horseback), where penetration of lightweight armour was necessary, hence the need for power, speed and the ability to shoot from different angles. Overdrawing the bow gives the archer more penetrative power. The bows used for these styles are designed to be drawn further than modern recurves/longbows, you need to overdraw them to shoot them at the drawlength they were designed to be shot.
@@HamishGarland Western Manufacturers. Korea it is measured at 31 inch standard. The world is a big place.
@@MrRourk like I said, modern recurves are measured at 28", that includes bows made by all of the big Korean manufacturers. Traditional bows are different, due to the different techniques sometimes used.
Oh boy… There is a lot that you don’t know about…
Next time i'm defending my village from the invading Mongols, while dressed in my medieval armour, Ill be sire to watch this video again for archery tips. Not sure what to do if they invaders arrive in a SUV.
LOL
Apply handcannons for thst matter.
Author should make a tutorial on how to use handcannons.
(sorry for A2 class English) are Lamellar leg armors (tassets/apron?,I mean two separate pieces fastened to belt) attached to leg like this example (I have seen some brigandine legs from Qing dynasty which attached leg but there are only some paper and plate leg armors with laces at legs from Ming dynasty books about military and some point at edges of lamellar tassets from Wujing Zongyao )
I know it is not very important for mounted combat but China had big infantry armies when southern Song dynasty, were there anything like Japanese Haidate?
I have seen your video on Facebook but I am so suspicious about resources
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Is that sikha behind?
it's the manchu style tail
@@cathayarmory7328 on head behind like India pandit Brahman