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What Many Buy-And-Hold Investors Get Wrong: Professor Hendrik Bessembinder Explains
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Today's guest is Hendrik Bessembinder, a professor at Arizona State University.
In today’s episode, Meb and Hank discuss Hank's research on long-term stock returns and wealth generation. They explore the concept of power laws in the stock market, where a small percentage of stocks generate significant returns, while the majority underperform. They also discuss the implications of Hank's findings for investors, including the importance of diversification and the challenges of holding onto big winners.
To see links or read the transcript of the episode, visit us at mebfaber.com/2024/05/03/hendrik-bessembinder/
(1:12) - Welcome to our guest, Hendrik Bessembinder
(1:33) - Do Stocks Outperform Treasury Bills?
(6:22) - Power laws drive stock market returns
(13:58) - The importance of holding on to winners in your portfolio
(15:28) - Shared traits among the best stocks
(23:16) - Takeaways from his global studies
(28:27) - Mutual Fund Performance and Long Horizons
(31:40) - Other topics Hank is interested in researching
(37:58) - Hendrik’s most memorable investment
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Komentáře

  • @KK-pm7ud
    @KK-pm7ud Před 3 hodinami

    I hope Meb sent her dandelion chocolates as a thank you for a wonderful interview.

  • @jimjackson4256
    @jimjackson4256 Před 11 hodinami

    As far as the US debt it is the US govt vs compound interest.Which will win? I’m going with compound interest.

  • @jimjackson4256
    @jimjackson4256 Před 15 hodinami

    After the first sentence he had me.I don’t know who this guy is but he is talking sense.

  • @user-su7dn9kn3s
    @user-su7dn9kn3s Před 17 hodinami

    while home runs are a driver of long term returns, large cap, profitable companies purchased at valuations below long term averages generally provide a "good" return. Whether it beats the S&P500 index is another question. You will beat after tax returns on treasuries/bonds. You need 50-100 stocks to achieve the diversification. Ideally you also pay attention to the businesses of these 50-100 companies to identify relatively early the specific risk of that company/industry to be aware and prune that portfolio. Dividends are told to be tax inefficient as a mgmt capital strategy as they are "double taxed". Well, the market will reprice the security for companies pursuing this strategy and the investor can still buy at an efficient price for these dividend yielding stocks. Dividends do mitigate volatility risk. That is the way to buy and hold.

  • @andreyb.1835
    @andreyb.1835 Před dnem

    Super interesting! Thank you!

  • @TheChismillionaire

    Where can we get Cambria swag Meb?

  • @frusciantesplectrum7980

    When the dollar is no longer recognised as the global exchange currency and comparison. You’ll soon find out its true value…. It’s just exporting inflation across the world at the moment.

  • @Martin-qb2mw
    @Martin-qb2mw Před dnem

    I think his finding is important. But, I think it has less practical impact than one might originally think. For example, if you get rid of small cap growth with weak profitability from the sample you will find a lot less donuts. This is a very easy thing to do and it makes it substantially easier to build reasonable portfolios.

  • @the_investor9836
    @the_investor9836 Před dnem

    Most people definitely don’t realize that the majority of stocks lose money or gain less than a bank account would. It is very important to know what you are doing before making a large investment just like you would want to learn to operate a helicopter before flying one. It also makes it important to diversify, specially as a beginner yet most beginners have very concentrated portfolios.

  • @EURASIAPLUS
    @EURASIAPLUS Před dnem

    Thank you Sam

  • @ianchui7711
    @ianchui7711 Před 2 dny

    He sucks. Learn some macro

  • @ggttuuxx
    @ggttuuxx Před 4 dny

    Sounds like you lifted that right from Howard Marks' recent podcast. It's a good guideline; should cite reference.

  • @philistineau
    @philistineau Před 4 dny

    …don’t talk about clean energy. I want it to get cheaper.

  • @gsu1972crew
    @gsu1972crew Před 5 dny

    Doesn't the t-stat of years vary by the amount of alpha tested? For example, a t-stat to prove statistical significance of a 50 bp annual alpha would be much longer than a t-stat to prove significance of 500 bp? So the lower alpha you test for the more significant the time period to prove it? I want French to sick to the 500 bp of annual alpha and give us the relevant time period. My guess is much shorter than 64 years. In other words, there should be an inverse relationship between the amount of alpha measured and the time period needed to establish statistical significance.

  • @scabu3
    @scabu3 Před 5 dny

    Small cap silver and uranium miners!

  • @billcarruth8122
    @billcarruth8122 Před 5 dny

    The catalyst that caused the tech bubble to pop was Bill Clinton's balanced budged. All it took was one domino to start the chain, and having fiscal flows into the economy dry up was a rather large domino.

  • @mmm-cake
    @mmm-cake Před 6 dny

    She’s awfully hard to listen to

  • @mmm-cake
    @mmm-cake Před 6 dny

    No shit. The charts clearly show they are continuously hitting all time highs… Jesus

  • @borakizilirmak
    @borakizilirmak Před 6 dny

    i think she forgets who brings earnings, top caps are expensive but WHY? Because they bring the money...PERIOD.. btw I have deep value ETF in my portfolio and I am ready to rebalance it, only if doubles its representation from its lowest representation, never happened. she can't say why tech bubble popped? c'mon, it popped since there was no earnings...Earnings are everything

    • @scabu3
      @scabu3 Před 5 dny

      Because everything was overvalued...like it is now

  • @Dailyfunctionalprogramming

    That’s why I sell covered calls on undervalued companies ex. Sofi

  • @psyopswitch
    @psyopswitch Před 7 dny

    lets keep investing i corps that rob us blind bc they pay well

  • @navycruise
    @navycruise Před 7 dny

    Has anyone published a recent retrospective analysis of the accuracy of GMO's 7-Year Asset Class Forecasts? I know they've been making these public since well before the GFC, so that'd be interesting to see.

    • @igrowfaster
      @igrowfaster Před 6 dny

      Yes i've been following their research for the past 2 decades. Prior to the past decade, they were directionally correct in their forecast, but the raw numbers (the magnitude) were off; for example if they predicted that "X" would do better than "Z" by 10% per year (to use an extreme example), they were correct that X did better, but not necessarily by their forecasted 10%. However the past decade has been way off, with u.s. large cap consistently doing better than u.s. small cap. Also, I think their forecasts for EM have been way off primarily because they go strictly by valuation, and haven't been taking into consideration the changing investment climate in China (less business friendly). Like John Hussman, GMO did an excellent job of avoiding the internet bubble and investing aroud the tech wreckage of 2000- 2002. They built up a big following as a result of that, but it's a tough act to follow. Lastly, i'm not sure how they settled on 7 years as a timeframe; i think a decade would give them more time to see their forecasts play out.

  • @navycruise
    @navycruise Před 7 dny

    What's the catalyst to drive 'deep value' equities toward 'fair value' in a world where active stock pickers are becoming less relevant market participants as funds (that would have historically been invested based on results of value-oriented security analysis) increasingly flow blindly into Mega Cap via passive index investments?

  • @alldaywhodie
    @alldaywhodie Před 7 dny

    real investors see the long term potential of $ORGN - Origin Materials

  • @bpb5541
    @bpb5541 Před 7 dny

    God this advice is horrible. This is not the time to go long, this is actually the time to go short. Might be a tad early. What we are really waiting for is the 3 month / 10 year yield curve. DO NOT LISTEN TO THIS GARBAGE.

  • @I.Q1117
    @I.Q1117 Před 7 dny

    Im sick of these kinds of humans

  • @jamesellis4899
    @jamesellis4899 Před 8 dny

    Love her insights

  • @yanivpete
    @yanivpete Před 8 dny

    "deep value" vs "shallow value" - I would've liked to hear how each of those segments are defined, and some examples of each.

    • @palamane1
      @palamane1 Před 7 dny

      She said: deep value is the bottom decile (of value companies), and shallow value is the next decile up. It would have been more interesting to hear whether GMO allows companies with debt in either decile into their portfolios.

    • @irhumbled
      @irhumbled Před 7 dny

      @@palamane1I think shallow was the 3 deciles below average not the 10-20 decile

    • @RafitoMembroza
      @RafitoMembroza Před 7 dny

      31:37 She said that clean energy stocks are deep value

    • @igrowfaster
      @igrowfaster Před 6 dny

      Citigroup, GM, Ford...a few of their deep value holdings. You can get tidbits of information from their mutual fund/ strategy pages. They are not tech averse; last year Meta (FB) was one of their top holdings. Shallow value = cheaper half of the market. Deep value = cheapest 20% of the market. If you can focus on the cheapest 10% or 5% of the market, even better. But they have a lot of money to manage, so they can't limit themselves to that.

    • @igrowfaster
      @igrowfaster Před 6 dny

      @@palamane1 Yes they do invest in companies that have debt. Exxon was one of their top holdings (for one of their strategies) last year. Exxon has debt, but what matters is that theyre steadily paying it down (deleveraging); paying down debt is an important means for mechanically lifting the stock price of a company, because it causes the cash flow to be freed up to go to the equity (instead of towards debt payment)-- that's what i mean by mechanical. Not too many companies around that don't have some debt; that's not a bad thing as long as you feel theyre capable of paying it down.

  • @martytayman9138
    @martytayman9138 Před 8 dny

    Wow! That was fantastic. Catherine is one, very smart, person. Great repartee!

  • @Trebor5388
    @Trebor5388 Před 8 dny

    I am now dumber because of what these dudes said.

  • @rickfool1452
    @rickfool1452 Před 8 dny

    Faber dresses like a clown

  • @jays9870
    @jays9870 Před 8 dny

    Great discussion; thank you both for this

  • @ryantinney
    @ryantinney Před 8 dny

    Digging that hat Faber.

  • @Unknown-jt1jo
    @Unknown-jt1jo Před 8 dny

    What an amazing interview. K. French is an extremely sharp guy.

  • @ggttuuxx
    @ggttuuxx Před 9 dny

    Meb this is absolutely true. I've been telling people about the BS in the "ten best days" lie. But it keeps coming back. Thank you!!!

  • @highlanderc
    @highlanderc Před 10 dny

    No! You want millions to give 1000 so the .1% can get your collective power

  • @bartz4439
    @bartz4439 Před 10 dny

    Lol2. Thanks for that info. Unsubscribe and never listen again. What a horrible idea

  • @ProfessorOfLogic81
    @ProfessorOfLogic81 Před 11 dny

    How about instead of asking Uncle Sam to hand you free money when you’re born, your parents invest money so that you can have a nest egg later in life? What a novel idea for parents to actually look out for the well-being of their kids 😱

  • @dom3833
    @dom3833 Před 11 dny

    People dont have an issue because "stockholders are rich and we dont line that" the issue has become that stockholder wealth has become more important than even the general welfare of the American people. People cannot afford basic neccesities and stockholders are the only ones who continue to have economic gains

    • @ProfessorOfLogic81
      @ProfessorOfLogic81 Před 11 dny

      Get a job, invest, and quit whining about how broke you are. You’re broke because you’re bad with money, not because other people are good with it.

  • @timemanagementisinvesting

    So no coffee can portfolios?

  • @flymarbles4010
    @flymarbles4010 Před 12 dny

    I wonder if French has read any of the Swagger Mark Wizard books; he's always referring to Simon as if he's the only one he knows. What about Paul Tudor Jones? What about Druckenmiller? What about Dalio? But as French said, "my view of the way the world works is totally inconsistent with the way most active investors think about."

  • @mmm-cake
    @mmm-cake Před 12 dny

    Al Borland 🙌

  • @PaulHines
    @PaulHines Před 12 dny

    I like Cambria.

  • @StockMarketCaddie
    @StockMarketCaddie Před 13 dny

    Great interview....mature perspective...thank you....

  • @dustybeat
    @dustybeat Před 13 dny

    Pretty rich for Adam to act like he cares about people saving when this year, the Yotta app was turned into a full-on gambling app where you can lose your money as fast as in any casino.

  • @paulgilliland2992
    @paulgilliland2992 Před 13 dny

    Amazing guest . Thank you.

  • @timtagg8727
    @timtagg8727 Před 13 dny

    Dang she was right

  • @earlyretirement1459
    @earlyretirement1459 Před 13 dny

    AUM is 2.4B as of Apr 2024

  • @cliffpeebles9705
    @cliffpeebles9705 Před 14 dny

    If it takes 64 data points (annual returns) to be statistically significant, then this is another argument that favors indexing. Don't try to find the needle in the haystack to buy, just buy the haystack.

    • @Bobventk
      @Bobventk Před 4 dny

      Or tilt towards characteristics that are known to have higher expected returns and offer independent sources of risk

  • @jays9870
    @jays9870 Před 14 dny

    I wrote 23 years - thnx for the great discussion!