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As a woman, when you are older..you do not dance anymore, because no man invites you... it is just horrible and sad, sitting on a chair, as a flower dying alone...no matter if you dance very well, you do not exist for the others anymore...and some women continue to think that they dance only with men...that it is not true. at the end, the women who organized the milongas leaves ...you see no eye in a milonga..Nobody says hello..sometimes a man invites you, it is a beginner and it is just HORRIBLE...the men do not practice, and it is just HORRIBLE. I could cry yesterday night, and the day before, etc...people are very bad educated...The eyes are always for a young lady just behind me..I should die.They only dance with people they know already..

Very informative. Thank you!

I have to laugh... If you Want to talk and the music is too loud.Then why have codes... Ah the irony...

Thank you for sharing your wisdom and experience with us new beginners.muchisimo gracias.

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A very helpful video. In case I missed it, what do you say to ladies who are themselves beginners but getting a lot of cabeceos that could make them believe they are more advanced than reality?

Thank-you so much for such a critically important lesson to new Tango dancers. I have heard stories about attending Milonga for a year before dancing and now I begin to understand the code, the culture and the reasons behind earning the privilege to join the ronda. I am incredibly grateful to you both.

super beautiful. !! such grace nd fluidity of feet movement! amazing. such a small clip. but worth dollars!!

if guys followed these rules/codes in all life when interacting with women the world would be a much safer place for women....

I do understand about the novices being in the middle. It used to be the situation in other dance genres. Except, here in Europe, it seems those who think they're superior, who need more space to express themselves with their 'advanced' moves, grab and monopolise that middle space. The actual better dancers keep to the outer ronda - along with the novices, unless they get squeezed out. Floorcraft and respect to others (perhaps the best summary of these 'rules'), are frequently lacking. I don't see 'respect for some unwritten rule' as important; more about respecting each other within the local culture.

CABECEO IS A MAIN CRUCIAL RULE TO AVOID TALKING. WHAT THE HECK ARE THIS GUYS TALKING ABOUT. YOU DONT NEED TO TALK. DANCERS DONT NEED TO TALK. DKNT.NEED TO SAY "NO". THIS GUYS ARE A SHAME. NK EVEN SPEAK CORRECT ENGLISH.

Para decir si o no es el cabeceo. Tegla innata del tanfo. De que hablan estos dos? Ke verguenza😢

Tienen algo de mucha importancia a decir. Desafortunadamente, su coconomiento de Ingles es pobre entonces no es claro lo que dicen.

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Oh my sweet tango God. These arrogant people, who own their fame and money to mostly european wallets, they point a finger to the majority of the tango cities and say those tango snob advices that end up encouranging egoistic behaviors. Without a geographical approach, then all the parts of this video are wrong. Where exactly are you refered at when you say that "you can go to the milonga and not dance". In a milonga in BA? Sure. Do as you please. But in a local European milonga, in a small town, that is once per week, and it gathers 30-40 crazy tango people, then "not dancing" is hurting the essense of the community. Refusing to "not good enough" dancers is killing the community. Keep the ballances. Use commong sense. Not all advises have universal appliance. Specialy from someone who is traveling the world, this should be understood and noted. I would expect more ballanced advises from these famous teachers. The more I listen the video the worst it becomes. Why is the duty of a girl/lady to "fix" anyones quality? Abusive behaviors must not be tolerated. But beyond those, level and skill elitism are a sure way to kill a tango society. If we love this culture/dance, then we all have responsibility to keep it alive. All the dancers I know, they kept dancing because they were encouraged. No one because got rejected on his first steps. We are not in the 30s. People have already to many problems in their lives, to add an extra layer of approval stress.

Does this apply to older Argentine folk dances?

Regarding the "No" response: I ask the same girl twice, four tandas apart. If I get a second "No" I don't ask her to dance again for several months.

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I wasnt aware of this at all. No one told me these rules. But, im sure it changes every location. As a beginner, i dance with everyone who asks me so i can learn and improve. As a beginner, i dont think its the time to be exclusive. When i become more experienced, maybe, but there is also something to be said for making everyone feel inclusive.

going to a milonga and not getting any dances doesnt encourage leaders to improve, it is frustrating and encourages them to quit. I am not a beginner anymore, ive been dancing since I was 15 and I am 23 now. And still: whenever I go to a new milonga I feel like many women wont dance with anyone they dont know. I get a partners for my tandas now, but if you havent mastered your cabaceo yet and if you actually dont dance that well its super difficult. Its just a hostile atmosphere for beginners that sucks out the motivation. I dont know why you encourage people to exclude beginners even more. I dont know where you live, but in my area the scene is super old and not that big. Whenever I see young people that are just starting I try to be nice to them and talk with them and dance with them, although I know that the tanda probably wont be that enjoyable. I also do Salsa and I dont know if you realise that but its so much more welcoming and easy for new dancers to get into the scene there. And there are so many young people there. I would wish for milongas to be more like that. edit: also, since you were specifically talking about leaders: I feel like this problem of dancers „only learning on milongas“ and having awful technique even after many years of dancing is much more common amongst followers.

True words. I read the english transcript. Perhaps you could also publish an english version of your talks. Your channel deserves much more viewer. People seem to prefer spectacular shows

This is one of the most important video to watch for every milonguero. I really wished they all would adapt these codes and make life easier at the milongas ❤

Many people treat Argentine Tango as just another social dance in the same way that Karate is just a martial art. But in both Tango and Karate, the practice can actually be an entryway into an culture from a different country. That is the sentiment here Argentine Tango teachers Peralta y Bermudez are trying to express in this video. There is an entire culture of Tango beyond the dance that everyone can enjoy and share in the responsibility to sustain. To dance the steps of Tango without knowing the title or meaning of the songs is possible but kind of like staying in the entryway of the Karate dojo without stepping into the inner halls and sanctums to be inside a different world. Sure, you can do what you feel comfortable doing but don't criticize the people and culture of another country or they should cater to you simply because you are not physically there. Consciously or not, you choose enter Argentina or Japan anytime you step into a milonga or a dojo. It is more fun and hardly a mistake to open your eyes and ears to pay attention to what is happening there, show some measure of respect for the regular inhabitants of that world, even try on the habits and behaviors of that world to possibly expand your horizons. For example, in Argentina dancing is only half of the Tango culture. There is an entire segment of Tangueros who do not dance at all but appreciate the music for its cultural and historic significance the way we may sit and enjoy a classical music performance or recording. That is how rich and deep Tango actually is in Argentina.

I'll add another thought followers might like to reflect on: If, after having danced and been, hopefully, followed back to the table, don't sit down and lean over whispering or talking in a secretive manner to your lady friends. Not all men have larger-than-life egos and behaving like that can be both hurtful and guarantee that neither you or your friends will be invited to dance again by that leader. If you feel the need to share something after a tanda, you might want to at least wait a a few moments before doing so. This videos main message is that we need to try to contribute to everyone having a nice time at the milonga. Just a thought!

This lesson should be teaching in every marathon, festival and local milongas.

A great instructional video, thanks to you both, a lot of dancers need to see this.

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Thanks for the informative and interesting video. (Minute 26:00) The problem with the advice to first watch all dancers before deciding whether to dance with them is, that if a dancer is new to a location and every lady follows this advice, nobody will dance with him, thus the ladies cannot see whether he is a good dancer or not. I think it is very good to be kind and to a certain extend generous, it is helpful for the athmosphere and beauty of a Milonga. So it is nice, if experienced dancers (male and female) give less experienced ones from time to time a chance to dance together, or if you see, as an experienced dancer, a woman sitting without dancing for a long time and giving the impression to be sad about it, to dance with her, if she answers your cabeceo. I experienced huge differences in milongas, from very warm and beautiful, to cold and antisocial, where in the latter, most of the time, women tend to be tense, which makes the dance much less enjoyable, even, if she is a good dancer.

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Glad that Cabeceo is not universal here in the good ole USA.

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It was interesting for me to watch, and I found the advice to sit until the leader is in front of the follower very helpful. I have had the situation of confusion about who the cabeceo was for from both sides. Sometimes it was for me and sometimes not. I dance in Chicago. It is a small community even though we are a big city, and I am of the opinion to help my leaders. I pretty much never say no, because I want the less experienced leaders to have the help and encouragement of a more skilled follower. I recently had to have "eyes in the back of my head" so the leader didn't dance me into someone, but I hope he felt when I rejected his lead to avoid collision and learned something from it. I also remember when I knew very little, and am grateful for the leaders who had patience to help me. We need to give back and make new dancers and our whloe community feel welcome. Also as far as tripping the follower, that seems much more likely when the intermediate dancers are trying something fancy. Just the other night I ran my heel into my opposite foot because my leader stepped into me too quickly before I finished my ocho, and he knows how to dance. I believe if we make the milonga a welcoming place to be, most dancers will want to learn more. I do appreciate you sharing your knowledge. Thank You!

Not clear in their choosing of words!

Thank you for the beautiful video

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Hi, It was interesting to watch. It is also something sad and a bit irritatinng in all of that. Women here are just perfect and they are here to teach how to behave and the guys need to apply and please to be welcomed. Is it the antimacho appology now?

Very Elites mindset and not forgiving. No wonder in many places, tango community can’t grow and is Aging. What is feel “Safe “ in dancing …??? A poor leader can cause the life danger to the follower ?

Just learning tango. Thank you for sharing these codes. GREAT information!

Although it is understandable for milonga ladies to use rejections to "nudge" the men towards improving, there is also a compelling argument to bring kindness and inclusiveness into the dance floor and helping the community cultivate a friendly non-judgemental space. As a dance teacher I teach the logic of nudging, but as a milonga organiser I disagree with promoting snooty self-importance that create a chilly climate for beginners. In the end the "maestros" may look at Buenos Aires and its 50,000 dancers as a benchmark, but many local scenes may only have 100 regular dancers in a town.

It's a very instructive video. Thanks a lot Dancershape to share this. I really enjoyed understanding many things here.Thanks!!!

Digo no cuando no me apetece bailar, pero no por una cuestión de nivel. Todo el mundo tiene derecho a bailar y muchos no alcanzan un buen nivel por mucho que quieran. Creo que hay un problema serio de snobismo en el tango

Great video and demonstrations

Although I dance for years and care about codigos, I have to admit that your detailed explanations and telling the story of your personal introduction to the milongas gave me deeper insight - especially regarding patience and respect, which seem to be inseparable from each other. Thank you! PS: When I first noticed your video has over 35 min lenght for this topic, I rolled my eyes and was tempted to skip it. But it was worth it :)