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@ross-gr8mc, we suggest following these steps to alleviate any "finger crunching" injuries. 1. Place the clip in position. 2. Start the screw. 3. Place a finger next to the clip on the joist. 4. Slowly finish driving the screw to flush.

@scrlk80 Hardwood, like cumaru, always requires a partial pre-drill, so unfortunately, the DRIVE tool would not work for this installation. Here is a link to our training manual with our recommendations for tropical hardwood. www.camofasteners.com/wp-content/uploads/CMO-2024-Training-Guide-compressed_1.pdf

Specific to our Edge screws, that work exclusively with our Markman Pro tools, the 1-7/8" screw works with boards that are 3/4" to 1" in thickness, and the 2-3/8" screw works with boards that ar 3/4" to 1-1/2" in thickness.

@@CAMOFasteners hello I purchased this Camo hidden fastener kit(gun only) but also purchased cam 1& 7/8 fasteners to put up a small Trex deck, I have the appropriate attachment for the screws, bit in this video it seems you are using a drill to put the screws in; I am not sure how to attach the Trex boards to my existing wooden platform using these Camo hidden fasteners- can you advise what I could be missing?

@camofasteners- the only thing I can think of where I am possibly doing something wrong after watching other CZcams videos, i currently have a battery powered drill to attempt to screw my Trex boards in, do I need an impact driver to screw these hidden fasteners in? Any other tips a first time Trex installer should be aware of?

@@yogramgram6125 Apologies for missing you! To your question, we're assuming you're using a square edge (non-grooved) capped composite Trex board. With capped composite boards we do require a partial pre-drill setup method (see link to full installation guidelines here): www.camofasteners.com/wp-content/uploads/Edge-Screw-Installation-with-Capped-Composite-Decking.pdf Using your battery powered driver drill will be fine for installation. With the Marksman Pro tool in place on the deck board, first complete the partial pre-drill as shown in the installation instructions. This just creates a nice pocket for starting the screw. Next, with the tool still in place drop the CAMO Edge Screw in and complete the fastening process by driving the screw in with your drill using high speed but lower pressure. The screw should bite and go right in.

I'm sorry to hear that you had issues with our products. Our Edge screws, that work exclusively with our Marksman Pro tools, feature a patented rake tip screw (not a pointed tip like most screws) that augers material out as they are driven through the end of the board. Please reach out to marketing@camofasteners.com and we can help address your issues.

Yes, our Edge screws can be used with 5/4 pressure treated pine deck board, and yes, we do offer a stainless steel option in both the 1-7/8 and 2-3/8 lengths. Our Edge screws are an innovative, easy-to-install hidden fastener that delivers a high-end look at an affordable price. We'd love to see pictures of your build; if you're on social media, please tag us at @camodeckfasteners on Instagram and @camofasteners on Facebook.

My guess on the physics would be the screw had probably eventually pulls through because of the expansion and contraction.

@@mr.kenslifeshop4034 yes I agree. I think the concept behind this system is sound. It's much like toe nailing was/is done on hardwood floors. The difference here is the rate of expansion and contraction due to the deck boards being exposed to the elements. The screws also have a tendency to dance around when shooting them in. They have single paddle type pilot point so even though CAMO advertises theme as being self tapping, they're really not when compared to a deck screw that is pointed on the end and fluted on both sides.

@@broncobart4354 I seen a new system now it was a nail gun that shoots and screws that can be backed out I wonder if that will be the new trend.

@@mr.kenslifeshop4034 I saw those too. Scrails have been around for a while. They have about 80% of the holding force of an actual screw. I'd definitely like to try those out in framing. I used all SDS screws to frame up my deck. Time consuming but, she's solid and doesn't creak or pop. Nails are just cheap and fast.

@broncobart4353; thank you for your patience in our team responding to your comment. Please reach out to marketing@camofasteners.com with your contact information and we will happily discuss this issue regarding your concerns. Thank you.

@jaxwylde2139 we would recommend using the Marksman Pro for a 3/16 in gap for cedar with our 316 stainless steel Edge screws for this project.

@@CAMOFasteners Thank you very much!

@markhooker8520 Our CAMO clips will work with grooved IPE. However, other clips in the market are designed specifically for IPE installation through the board and must be per-drilled; our clips are designed differently. One thing to note, though, when installing IPE is to follow directions for acclimating the decking on site before installation. Our clips don't prevent board shrinkage, which can be troublesome if the product isn't acclimated correctly. If you have other questions, please reach out to marketing@camofasteners.com as we're happy to help.

Thanks for the question. Unfortunately, the bit length on the DRIVE tool doesn't drive the screw deep enough to allow for a plug. But this is a good feedback for our team to explore.

@@CAMOFasteners Thanks! Cant wait to see a tool for this. My knees and back are killing me 😭

Exactly, and if you have fascia board edges that sits up flush with the decking too.

@AlWiendmannJr thank you for reaching out. We do not recommend using an impact driver, best practice installation is as you suggested with a drill set at a proper torque setting.

@kyletucker5607 thank you for reaching out. Unfortunately, the max spacing the CAMO LEVER can work with is 3" so it will not work on the wide side of a 2x4.

@@CAMOFasteners Thanks for replying. I managed to create a jig extension that mounts to the wide 2x4 with a narrow side offset from it that I can mount the Camo lever on and it works fine. Wish I could attach a pic of it.

@@kyletucker5607 if you'd like to share the picture, please send it to marketing@camofasteners.com and we'll share it with our Product team.

Hi Frank. So the great thing about our clips is that they're hidden between the groove of the boards when they are installed so you don't see them, so no need to match them to the color of your deck. If you are looking to face fasten your deck, we do offer composite screws that are color matched to deck boards.

No they do not hold up. They're junk.

Yes, this is correct. We do offer the Marksman PRO-X1 which creates a 1/16 gap and fits most 5 1/4 in to 5 3/4 in boards, but not for narrow boards.

@thistledown6026 thank you for your patience as we respond to your question. Unfortunately, now, we do not sell spacers at those measurements. Our Marksman Pro tool creates 3/16" spacing, the Marksman Pro-X1 tool creates 1/16" spacing, the Marksman PRO-NB tool creates 3/16" spacing, and the Marksman Edge tool leaves no spacing.

@tribalwind the CAMO DRIVE stand-up 3-in-1 tool was designed for use with CAMO EDGE and EDGEX clips, CAMO Collated Edge screws and CAMO Collated Face screws. We also have the CAMO ClipDRIVE stand-up tool that work with CAMO Edge and EdgeX clips.

@@CAMOFasteners ah bummer ok thanks.

Hello. We do not recommend using our Marksman Pro tool with our Edge Screws for grooved deck boards since the screws are directed into the board's edge with this tool. Regarding your plastic clips comment, if you used CAMO EDGE or EDGEX clips for this deck build, please send an email to marketing@nationalnail.com so we can address any specific issue you are having with our clips.

If you have any questions about our Marksman Pro tools, just let us know; we're happy to help.

Hi Shawn, thank you for your patience while we got back to you regarding your comment. Here's a link to our product training guide posted on our website that you can download. On page 52, you'll find information on how to handle butt joints for both our Edge and EdgeX clips. www.camofasteners.com/wp-content/uploads/CMO-2023-Training-Guide-V16-LR.pdf. Please let us know if you have any additional questions.

Hi Pat. The Marksman Edge tool will work on any size board, but doesn't leave a gap.www.camofasteners.com/products/tools/edge-guide/#product-options The Marksman Pro and Pro-X1 both work on boards 5 1/4 - 5 3/4 in., but provide different spacing options. The Marksman Pro-NB works on boards 3 1/4 - 5 in. Please let us know if you have any other questions.

With any of our deck clips, you should not have issue with 1.5 inch thick boards. The dimensions that will matter will be the height of the groove of the board. Below is a link to our technical sheet that shows the acceptable board dimensions. Please reach out if you have any additional questions. www.camofasteners.com/wp-content/uploads/N005S0003-2022.08.29-EdgeClip-Submittal.pdf

This can sometimes happen. It usually can be fixed by starting the drill motor before engaging or pressing down to drive the screw. If you're still having issues, please get in touch with marketing@nationalnail.com so we can connect to ensure you have the best experience with our DRIVE tool and collated screws.

We offer our Edge collated screws for wood and non-capped composite in 316 stainless steel and our collated face screws for composite in 305 stainless steel. Check them out on our website. www.camofasteners.com/products/screws/collated-deck-screws/edge/#product-options

Probably not. I use the edge clips quite a bit, and the are made to give you a consistent 3/16th spacing. Any more than that and the metal ears on the clips won't grab much of the grooved edge of the board.

Any suppliers in bc? I cant seem to find them at my local box stores

​@driveman figured you'd reply before the company would. What's the process for butt joints? I can't find any literature around what to use for butt joints on decks longer then 20ft