This is true it has its advantages like if swat were using this setup and needed to pull a hostage out of a window at a fast pace this could be very useful but still has some disadvantages
Sorry, that‘s not a usefull practise. This maneuver ist BS. You never step over the patient. You have a really big chance to hurt the patient. Why one of the guys from the left or right make an easy transition on the middle? There are some other good technics for litter transition. But not this way. 🤦♂️
Also in my experience when I weight my backup prusick it's impossible to break under my full body weight and wondering what cordage you are using as a prusick & how you were able to loosen it under full body weight? TIA
Is there a way to use this one-handed? He's talking about releasing and doing stuff with your free hand, but then he's got one hand on the line and one on the 3rd hand... what am I missing?
Yes it can be one handed, just release the autoblock and it will lock out for you. Still not recommended with a super 8 with a single line rappel but perfectly doable.
By far the best controlled rappel method i have seen yet. Love the setup other than your harness has a metal main attachment point with a carabiner. I am all about no metal-on-metal contact but i see it all the time . At some point you are going to have metal on metal such as when using auto braking / capture devices. Great video.
Not a big fan of metal on metal either but have been told it’s fine unless it’s aluminum on steel because the steel will eventually wear down the aluminum.
As long as the prusiks cannot reach the figure 8 or ATC or whatever you are using off of the extension, it really shouldn't be a problem. Although it might be advantageous to attach to the leg loop as it will keep you more upright when the prusiks catches.
Ернунда какая-то. Если для спецопераций то там одной рукой спускаются, второй оружие держат. А тут обе руки заняты на спуск. В таком случае, проще спусковое устройство автоматическое использовать, чем все эти пляски с пруссиком.
With applying the prusick as shown (below the device) it’s like an automatic brake, while also acting as a safety line. I love it. Simple & old school, but also very effective. 👍👍🇺🇸😁
Your gates are supposed to opposite each other so they don't work each loose from the back and forth movements,One up other down. Otherwise the rest of the set looks pretty good.
LOL, that's not how things work. Go back to the basics. If you have two devices connected to the SAME device point, it is nice to have them opposite and opposed so that the gates provide a mechanical protection from both being undone in the same action, but there are a limited number of situations where that is actually needed.
You can use a ropeman to escape a system and as a progress capture device, but you should never backup a rappel with one... or any toothed device for that matter. The purpose of the prusik is a second hand- if you become incapacitated it will automatically lock off. The only way you could rappel with a ropeman would be to hold it open. This would mean if you became incapacitated and let your break hand go on the rapp, you would fall a considerable distance to when/if the device snapped close. This is a toothed device, which you NEVER want to shock load on a rope and that is exactly what would happen here. Best case scenario you slightly damage the sheath of your rope, worst case scenario, yer gonna die.
From a tactical point of view is there a reason to not use say a Gri Gri or Stop where you can absolutely fang it down the rope and also ensure an automatic locking function? Obviously certain devices are better than others so no IDs or Sparrows
If you repel on a knotted/joined rope the knot will got through the hole in the figure 8 and you don't have to stop, a major advantage in tactical + they don't break.
@@wilfdarr There's no other descender that you don't have to stop and detach from the rope to pass a knot, stuffing the knot through the hole is a convenience not to be underestimated... especially if you're being shot at... The petzl approved single/flat overhand is hard to beat, simple to tie and check, the least likely to snag when retrieving the rope. Butterfly bend is harder to tie and check, possible to get wrong and still appear ok at a glance. zeppelin bend is great but hard to recommend for the same reasons as the butterfly bend. DO NOT use the flat overhand figure 8!!!
My daughters don't own a playstation. However, they do know how to rappel down the side of a cliff, mountainbike the red routes, survive in the hills and have recently been introduced to skydiving. The world is a playground, and it's bigger than a TV screen!
@@brerrabbit4265 the damage has already been done. If an 11 yo cannot entertain themselves without the use of expensive technology, then the spoil has already set in. A price has already been established by the kid, 25$ a day to make his life worth living.
@@mr.bigcommonsense3089 Old school is metal to fabric without exception, modern materials and designs have superseded this thinking. This is a purpose built harness intended for biners to be attached to the hardware.
If it was only one and it was unlocked ya, but with two, frankly they could both be unlocked (wire biners have no locking mechanism): the chances of both biners simultaneously opening in an unloaded state and then having the contents spew forth is nonexistent. If I was investigating a fall under those conditions I'd suspect murder or suicide before that level of bad luck!
Of course you can. But a normal figure 8 can allow the loop to lift over the ring and girth hitch the rope, rigidly stopping progress until you can unweight the device. This would be disastrous in a tactical descent.
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This is true it has its advantages like if swat were using this setup and needed to pull a hostage out of a window at a fast pace this could be very useful but still has some disadvantages
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I just wish the vids where not cut so short. cutting off in middle of sentince.
Simple, straight to the point, love it, thanks for the clear and concise lesson.
Sorry, that‘s not a usefull practise. This maneuver ist BS. You never step over the patient. You have a really big chance to hurt the patient. Why one of the guys from the left or right make an easy transition on the middle? There are some other good technics for litter transition. But not this way. 🤦♂️
What type of rope your are using for friction knots?
Great idea. I learned something from this.
Thank you😸
That's a great setup.
Genius
your backup is wrong.
What about apposing carabiners on your harness..??
Also in my experience when I weight my backup prusick it's impossible to break under my full body weight and wondering what cordage you are using as a prusick & how you were able to loosen it under full body weight? TIA
That was awesome 👌! Would you ever consider using your backup prusick below the rappel device? Is there any advantage above or below?
Теперь я знаю с кого червяков из "мэн ин блэк" срисовывали)
Thanks good 😊
😁👍
That is really nice! It will greatly serve me good. TKS for sharing!
This is actually awesome. I've always wanted a chest harness and this is super affordable.
Quote “ shoot people” 😮
Nice. Mongo like.
Diameter of the prussik looks the same as the rap rope. From what i understand, this is not safe practice.
Try a Valdotain tresse
Is there a way to use this one-handed? He's talking about releasing and doing stuff with your free hand, but then he's got one hand on the line and one on the 3rd hand... what am I missing?
Yes it can be one handed, just release the autoblock and it will lock out for you. Still not recommended with a super 8 with a single line rappel but perfectly doable.
By far the best controlled rappel method i have seen yet. Love the setup other than your harness has a metal main attachment point with a carabiner. I am all about no metal-on-metal contact but i see it all the time . At some point you are going to have metal on metal such as when using auto braking / capture devices. Great video.
Not a big fan of metal on metal either but have been told it’s fine unless it’s aluminum on steel because the steel will eventually wear down the aluminum.
Koryen oryen
Burnt on skin past due
the prussik has to stay in the leg loop
better extend the belay device and clip the prusik on the belay loop
As long as the prusiks cannot reach the figure 8 or ATC or whatever you are using off of the extension, it really shouldn't be a problem. Although it might be advantageous to attach to the leg loop as it will keep you more upright when the prusiks catches.
Ернунда какая-то. Если для спецопераций то там одной рукой спускаются, второй оружие держат. А тут обе руки заняты на спуск. В таком случае, проще спусковое устройство автоматическое использовать, чем все эти пляски с пруссиком.
With applying the prusick as shown (below the device) it’s like an automatic brake, while also acting as a safety line. I love it. Simple & old school, but also very effective. 👍👍🇺🇸😁
yes, but with clean rope. And youcan just stop with "horns" on 8
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Very usfull information for the grappling
Coming from a climber... what makes this a "tactical" rappel? Like this is just a standard rappel with an extension setup...
Just the intended applications, rope work is rope work.
How do you increase the value of a combat smock? Call it a SAS smock! It's still a smock, but sounds better.
yeah, the tactical I've seen, has no harness, just a swiss seat. no rappel device, just a carabiner and no backup prusik
He is wearing combat colours duh
Tactical and modular! 😉
Your gates are supposed to opposite each other so they don't work each loose from the back and forth movements,One up other down. Otherwise the rest of the set looks pretty good.
LOL, that's not how things work. Go back to the basics. If you have two devices connected to the SAME device point, it is nice to have them opposite and opposed so that the gates provide a mechanical protection from both being undone in the same action, but there are a limited number of situations where that is actually needed.
The carabiners are locking so no need in this case.
Locking gates are fun this way. It also keeps the brake hand clear of interference.
Can you use a rope man instead of the prusik
You can use a ropeman to escape a system and as a progress capture device, but you should never backup a rappel with one... or any toothed device for that matter. The purpose of the prusik is a second hand- if you become incapacitated it will automatically lock off. The only way you could rappel with a ropeman would be to hold it open. This would mean if you became incapacitated and let your break hand go on the rapp, you would fall a considerable distance to when/if the device snapped close. This is a toothed device, which you NEVER want to shock load on a rope and that is exactly what would happen here. Best case scenario you slightly damage the sheath of your rope, worst case scenario, yer gonna die.
From a tactical point of view is there a reason to not use say a Gri Gri or Stop where you can absolutely fang it down the rope and also ensure an automatic locking function? Obviously certain devices are better than others so no IDs or Sparrows
Dirt and shite…
If you repel on a knotted/joined rope the knot will got through the hole in the figure 8 and you don't have to stop, a major advantage in tactical + they don't break.
@@martynwatson4929 cheers
@@martynwatson4929 I never thought of that. Which knot would you use for the least trouble?
@@wilfdarr There's no other descender that you don't have to stop and detach from the rope to pass a knot, stuffing the knot through the hole is a convenience not to be underestimated... especially if you're being shot at... The petzl approved single/flat overhand is hard to beat, simple to tie and check, the least likely to snag when retrieving the rope. Butterfly bend is harder to tie and check, possible to get wrong and still appear ok at a glance. zeppelin bend is great but hard to recommend for the same reasons as the butterfly bend. DO NOT use the flat overhand figure 8!!!
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What's all?! Petzl STOP... No, don't heard about
Sketchy as fuk
I'm 11 and my parents take away my PS4 for being on it all day, yet won't spend £25 for me to be outside everyday, I fucking hate my life.
You have no life on a PS4 all day, which means you have no future.
My daughters don't own a playstation. However, they do know how to rappel down the side of a cliff, mountainbike the red routes, survive in the hills and have recently been introduced to skydiving. The world is a playground, and it's bigger than a TV screen!
@@africansinclair The kid is 11 and doesnt have parents that spoil him rotten. Most things that are fun cost $$$$ is what he is saying.
@@brerrabbit4265 the damage has already been done. If an 11 yo cannot entertain themselves without the use of expensive technology, then the spoil has already set in. A price has already been established by the kid, 25$ a day to make his life worth living.
Why does it cost 25 bucks to be outside? Do you have to bribe the doorman to let you out?
Am i the only one, who gets nervous, seeing the second biner is not locked?
more the metal to metal biner to d ring I dont understand
@@mr.bigcommonsense3089 Old school is metal to fabric without exception, modern materials and designs have superseded this thinking. This is a purpose built harness intended for biners to be attached to the hardware.
@@africansinclair understood mate ,thanks for pointing this up...
If it was only one and it was unlocked ya, but with two, frankly they could both be unlocked (wire biners have no locking mechanism): the chances of both biners simultaneously opening in an unloaded state and then having the contents spew forth is nonexistent. If I was investigating a fall under those conditions I'd suspect murder or suicide before that level of bad luck!
Very cool
😁👌 Thanks Bro.😎🇺🇸
metal on metal?
Thank you, at my age it's good to learn something useful. Go's to show your never to old to learn.
thats a great set up I will be using it for tree work on my decent.
saludos hello excelente descenso rapel Autoasegurado con un cordino y un prussik saludos from Venezuela god bless
Can you use a normal 8 without the flanges?
Of course you can. But a normal figure 8 can allow the loop to lift over the ring and girth hitch the rope, rigidly stopping progress until you can unweight the device. This would be disastrous in a tactical descent.
@@EightiesTV Is that what happened to the SAS guy in the movie 6 days?
Why cut the video short, let us see it all! It doesn't cost you any more to upload the whole dam thing!
I Like! Thanks for sharing.😎🇦🇺