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You are totally right, I missed that detail. Nice work by SayIntentions.AI.

What do you define as „Real AI“?

You’re welcome and glad if it helps!

Thank you! It was already mentioned here in the comments that this is currently the case...very unfortunate. I will try using "nine" instead of "niner" in my next flight. Thanks for watching and sharing!

Yeah, same frustrating issues with handover frequencies and not understanding taxi readbacks. Also really annoying is the lack of prompt assignments to ramps or gates at the arrival airport. BATC please improve the UI.

Thanks for sharing. Yeah, it is really annoying…

@@belableier you can‘t imagine how nervous I was before my first VATSIM flight. I think I needed a shower afterwards 😂 But it gets easier extremely quickly and you will realize that in almost all situations it is okay to ask (even more than once) to clarify things. The only time a controller got a little firm with me was during an VATSIM event where I didn’t vacate the runway quickly enough but still he was very professional.

@@BastiSimming Thanks Mate! Would you recommend Vatsim for newbie then? Or should I I go one these AI based ones?

@@belableier oh I definitely would recommend VATSIM. I would suggest picking an airport and airspace were you feel most comfortable and watch a couple of YT videos with complete flights with VATSIM communication. And also make sure you know your airplane including doing directs and go arounds. SAI and BATC are great tools to prepare for VATSIM but I would not say that they are necessary. Another idea: you can log onto the VATSIM network as an observer and just listen. Also a great way to get to grips with all the processes.

@@BastiSimming Thank you! You have your well deserved sub here! Keep up the good work! 👍🏻

Thanks for watching! I also will stick with ihr VATSIM for all realtime flights 👍

When exactly do I say that you think?

Hello! At 5:18

@@Wild_Duck19 Hmm as far as I hear it I say exactly the same thing as BATC („one two one decimal niner eight“). As others said BATC seems to not not like „niner“ currently which is of course wrong since it is standard phrasing.

Jap, I agree (but it's unfortunate that "niner" is nit recognised as it is standard phraseology)

That's too bad that your experience is so bad. As you can see in the video I find that BATC has its strong points and its weak points.

Well at least we would have it at some point, right?

Yes, you are absolutely right. Additionally using time acceleration (as I said in the video) is another use case I see for "AI ATC".

I think your analysis is spot on. They both have different advantages and also disadvantages and they both give a lot of value to the users. I myself fly a lot with the the PMDG 777 and using time acceleration (I really do not want to sit 11h in front of the computer to fly from Reunion to Paris 😂) and find myself turning on BATC almost automatically when starting a new flight because it is „good enough“ and gives „enough value“ (as I said in the video I am using BATC because I have the premium characters left).

Yeah, flying low and slow (in a nice scenery) is just something else. Glad you liked it!

Happy if the video helped, it was really fun to make.

Hmm yeah maybe albeit other comments suggest that BeyondATC has been better in recognizing „niners“ in the past…hope it will get fixed soon.

I think you are the second person to mention FSHud, maybe I will post another video and see how it compares to the tools shown here. Thanks!

Werde ich mal ausprobieren, danke

You are welcome, I am glad if the video helps!

Thank you and I'm glad you liked the video. It was fun to make. It is interesting that you mention the homepage of SAI...I agree with your statement about the comparison table on the SAI homepage. I also found it a little strange. I was thinking about putting that into the video, at the end I decided against it since I wanted to focus on the capabilities of the programs. I just checked the SAI homepage and I could not find the table so maybe it is gone?

@@BastiSimming Its on the pricing page still. I think it's fair enough not to mention it here it doesn't impact the program at all. I just read it and thought it a little unnecessary and some items just untrue which is a bit naughty. I imagine most people into flight sims enough to want to look at these products will be aware of what each do and their shortcomings, but if you were looking at the comparison as someone that had genuinely not seen either you'd be very mislead. It's just unnecessary sloppy marketing

@@o.s.racing What exactly is untrue?

​@@o.s.racing please let us know what you find to be untrue and we'll correct it! We are in the midst of changing the website a bunch in preparation for new feature releases. Check back soon to see if it's more to your liking 👍

@@SayIntentionsAI I appreciate that. I think a refresh of the website would look great! As I say I think you have a great product and I think the price for the advanced features you have is on the money, I just don't get much chance to fly enough to utilise it at the moment. My best advice would be to focus on the amazing things your product does rather than bash other solutions. Some people don't need the most advanced LLM and that's ok, yours sits between those that are have a more limited set of responses and the full VATSIM network, its a great spot to be in!

That is very interesting and also a little sad to hear that there is a regression in the quality of BATC voice recognition…would be interesting to know how that happened….thanks for sharing!

​@@BastiSimming BeyondATC switched to a new AI model and they are working on getting it up to the quality of the old AI model. When the new model works, it's fantastic. They moved from a general LLM to one focused on Aviation phraseology.

@@Atlasworkinprogress Interesting, thanks for sharing! Are you sure it‘s an LLM? Because I remember that somewhere on the page BATC said they do not use an LLM (because of the associated costs). Nevertheless I hope they fix it soon. I am using up my Premium Credits (currently on route to LFPG coming from FMEE) and it would be nice to not have to rely on the generated response so frequently…

@@BastiSimming You are correct. I misread the notes. They replaced their entire Voice Recognition backend. Here is the patch notes: Minor Update 1.0.48.EA - Started replacement of our entire speech recognition backend service. This is an ongoing effort to replace our current AI model with a custom trained AI model that uses a massive dataset of 'pilot speak' to achieve better speech recognition. You should notice a improvement immediately, and it should only continue to improve over the coming weeks/months as we feed it more data. ---- Though as they quickly found out it was not the immediate improvement the devs thought it would be. (User feedback was very quick to tell them it was wonky, to say the least). I said LLM as that is generally what I think of when things of generative AI.

Thanks for sharing! I think BATC announced that they use FR24 data but do something „clever“ so that you will not sit alone on an airport. That’s at least what I took away from some videos and posts.

@@BastiSimming BATC said, that they will use real word flightplans depending on the day and time. So one would get traffic in relation to the time set in the sim. I like the concept, since you could fly on the other side of the globe and could get realistic traffic. Not like me sitting in Europe, using FSLTL in New Zealand and getting no traffic... because everyone is sleeping over there. 😂🤣

Good to know, thanks. If it is indeed well known I wish even more that there would be some kind of fallback mechanism to be honest. Looking forward to the fix 👍

As far as I know it is a procedure not only local to Germany but to parts of Europe. It means the ground stations will use the (unique) identifier of an MODE-S transponder to identify the plane.

EU

Thanks and I would be very interested in your thoughts of SAI and BATC after you compared them!

Well, the AI services / voice generation providers are not able to provide a model that you can "own". Your statement doesnt make any sense at all. You will pay for it or you will not be able to create software like this, this applies to both developers in this case, not only us at SI.

@RomeoPapaCharlie: help me understand: what do you exactly mean when you say „I don‘t care“?

you clearly have no idea how anything in software works

Lol who forced you to purchase their software? Servers cost money, I guess you want everything free. Wait until MSFS2028 forces you to subscribe to stream the photogrammetry in the future. If you think they can’t you’re in the wrong hobby.

They have a subscription model because the AI used to generate the instructions is running on their servers, not on your computer locally. So there is no "owning" involved, as it is not a piece of software but an online service.

@@ifr-ed Ja klar, gern. Wie erreiche ich dich denn im Discord am besten?

@@BastiSimming Hast es ja geschafft und Kollege McCracken hat Dich ja schon unter seine Fittiche genommen :)

Thanks, glad if it helps!

Thanks a ton! It was some work but it really was fun preparing.

There is definitely some work to be done 😂

I would give VATSIM another chance…you can have bad luck but at least in Europe (I never left Europe on VATSIM so I am not able to speak to other parts of the VATSIM world) the controllers all in all are very nice. Where has your bad experience been?

@@BastiSimming …. First time on vatsim some young controller in boston had a bad attitude. I even typed that it was my first time on, but he was a jerk. Im very analytical, with an engineering and real life flight experience, but I didnt understand how to get my clearance within the system. He wouldnt give it to me verbally, then got an attitude when I asked where to get it from

​@@jay-rus4437don't give up. The majority of controllers and pilots are friendly and helpfull

@@jeroenrutgers-herenius9541….well, I mainly fly using A Pilots Life 2, so I have really enjoyed Say Intention as I have full ATC service where my weekly schedule sends me

Ah interesting, I have the complete opposite view. I find the audio cues helpful but it seems this comes down to personal preference. And yes, SAI reduced the cost (I only cited the new price of 20USD in the video).

you can turn off the beeps and tones!

@@mlx39996….nice. Didnt know that. Also interesting to hear that others seem to like them.

Interesting, thanks for sharing! I have the feeling that there is a lot to explore in the area where something is not following the planned flow (detecting this is difficult but handling it gracefully is even harder)

Yeah I agree with all you said. Will be extremely interesting to see how the two tools will learn from each other because I think they both do stuff very right and also not that right :D

I too have BATC and yeah, it got frustrating enough that I would have to sometimes hit the auto-reply just to get pass the call. Yet, I do find it way more realistic. I personally don't care if something answers me about this or that (though I do think it's cool). I'm more so about really learning the rights and wrongs. I really like BATC shows you on the screen how things are said. It's been extremely useful.

I had the same issue with SayIntentions. Even if I clearly repeated frequencies wrong it didn't object to it. But according to the devs that is intentional for the time being and corrections by the Atc will be turned on soon

We verify, but we dont enforce (yet). You can say a waffle recipe and it will not try to correct your amount of flour... :)

@@ifr-ed Noted! I expect if you were to turn it on right now, the experience would be more similar to BATC. ;)

As far as I know you can use direct text entry on SayIntentions.AI and on VATSIM and you can use the responses from the list in the lower right corner in BeyondATC…but to be honest: text is very cumbersome in my experience

@@BastiSimming good to know about text, i'm 100% deaf

@@Parascuba Understood, than of course text input is very important. I think that Beyond ATC is best than because you just have to scroll and click. One important thing to know is that you can activate auto response (I think in both tools) which is kind of realistic if you are in a 2 Person Cockpit.

@@Parascuba Would you be willing to talk / text about FlightSim's and how they handle accessibility from your perspective? I would be very interested in exploring this topic. You can reach me via the mail here youtube@hundt.me, I would really appreciate it.

Yeah I can see that…

Thanks and I agree! I love flying airliners and IFR but I find that modern avionics can also make flying somehow sterile. The Cub ist just fun 😊

Oh wow, thank you so much! I am just glad if it helps or at least entertains. I will try to continue this style of reviews and I am glad to have you as a subscriber! ❤

You need to purchase the add on and afterwards you will get a download link. After downloading unzip the file and move it into your community folder. It is more or less installed exactly as any other modification you download.

Thank you and I fully agree! I am little afraid that this add-on is "blown away" by all the PMDH 777 fuzz :)

​@@BastiSimmingProbably. I'm at heart a bush tripper, to have such a "simple" plane packed with systems and deepness is great. I also like the Wilga by GotFriends.

Definitely.

Very nice, love it!

Interesting. I only use a PC. Is EcoSoundScapes advertised as compatible with xbox?

@@BastiSimming Yes, says it on their website and it’s available on the xbox marketplace.

@@AV4Life Ah it was not available on the marketplace when I recorded the video. Thanks for sharing your experience!

All in all I would agree that it feels a little on the pricy side. On the other hand the technical infrastructure the team has created with this mod is significant and there is potential when third parties / users release custom sound packages with it.

Hmm I didn’t showed it in the video but I hear sounds from within the cockpit. At least in the C152. Actually it did not matter whether I had the door / windows open or not which I forgot to mention in the video. Did you saw my pinned comment about the blog post by SoFly? Maybe the Fenix stresses the system to the point where no sounds can be played anymore….

The whole point of this for me is if it works when you’re sitting in a dark and cold cockpit with open doors/canopy. That adds to the immersion, especially in VR. If that doesn’t work then there’s no point. I never fly in exterior view. Good video 👍

@@McFreddie22 Thanks, happy if the video is helpful!

No problem, hope it helped!

You're welcome! Cheers!