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I agree with you on all the points you mentioned. I like both Rolex and Tudor but both are entirely way overpriced compared to many other Swiss brands. Rolex and Tudor know this and have been milking the market for big easy profits for years. Now the hype has passed and big prices are turning collectors to other Swiss and German brands that are still high quality but more reasonably priced. I also believe that the microbrand market are producing models that have an excellence about them for a fraction of the price.

You’re the only person that thinks Tudors watches and wonders were lack luster. Lmao. Btw, Nothing is tanking. The prices are normalizing on the secondary market.

You sound like a hater

My reason for avoiding Tudor is that I think that they are ugly watches, especially the BB58. I can't unsee that silly lopped off hour hand. Plus they're a rip-off, if they were under $1000, maybe. Plus the idea that there must be a saturation point in the market. There must be a lot of enthusiasts like me out there that have decided that 6 watches is enough, and, like me, they don't buy a watch to sell, they keep it for life, then maybe hand it down. Although, my son couldn't care less about my watches, he doesn't wear a watch, and probably never will. After all, nobody needs a watch these days, the is displayed everywhere.

Dude…thank you for this 🙌🙏👊

I stand with you 1000%!!! Your words and opinions are needed by our community. I can only speak for myself but I fell for the whole TudorPooter hype and bought a BB 2 tone. Kept it for a year and finally it became the first watch I ever sold/traded in. I used the money to buy my wife a diamond bracelet. Then I bought her a DJ mint dial. Established myself and created a trusting relationship with a wonderful AD( who doesn’t even sell Rolex in her location currently but can get them from the main location). I played the game… And I’m glad I did because now I’m waiting on the phone call for my two tone SeaDweller. I have a friend and AD. Is Tudor well-made…yes… is Tutor a great entry-level watch… Absolutely! I just moved on🤷. I respect your stance and I’m with you!👊👊👊👊👊

Isn’t it estimated that Rolex produces around 1.2 million watches per year, while Tudor produces around 250,000 watches per year? About a million less per year than Rolex. With this fact alone, doesn’t it stand to reason that Rolex does the “fake waitlist” thing to a much larger extent than Tudor? Also kinda makes you feel like owning a Tudor is much more exclusive than owning a Rolex for the same reason. There are literally 5x as many Rolex watches floating around each year than Tudors. But yet people think Rolex is more exclusive? This almost sounds a bit “gaslighty” to me.

Tudor is better than Rolex hands down...Rolex is built up by watch dealers ...40% are fake not just watch but also the papers...stupid to buy a Rolex in the second hand market and the whole wait attitude of Rolex showrooms is going to bring it down...times have changed..if your a collector you know Tudor and breitling are going to be making a huge comeback...

Rolex sucks!

Not really true at the availability point. I went to a Zenith AD in Brussels and asked to try this model. They just had the white dial model. So I tried it and it sits a bit flat on the wrist. I need to try it again with the exact model I want to be sure

Nobody buys Tudor for its resale value. Not sure that is a problem for Tudor.

If you want to invest buy land or gold. Watches are meant to wear and enjoy. Who cares if it's a Tudor , Rolex or Timex..

What is that video title ……. Haha. Run out of ideas.

Tudor are class this bloke isn't

My watch was purchased 2 years ago from amzwatch and, to this day, it still looks and runs as well as it did the day it arrived. That movement has never missed a beat despite never having been serviced. I can't complain about that.

I remember when Mercedes dropped its model names and started using a letter + a number designation, like E300, to get people to use "Mercedes". I wonder if Tudor will do the same rather then have people always use "Black Bay"?

Rolex prices are not plummeting, a visit to any reputable independent Grey market dealer will prove that. Their prices are just returning to realistic levels, where dealers are making a small return profit on their watches, not the crazy profits seen a few years ago.

Great review I agree with you Tudor are getting sick and boring with no innovation at all, price are dropping so badly if you buy from retail all the best your Tudor price will drop until you cry Buy from reseller for Tudor those people buying Tudor is just to get a waiting list for Rolex then once Rolex get they sell their Tudor away at low cost that what make Tudor price drop like crazy

You are telling me that coming out with a black dial of an existing model will take two years? Mass production of a new dial colour will take maximum 3 months. Designing a completely new watch will not take 2 years these days.

Black never goes out of style

Literally just had dinner with a friend from Korea talking about how he spent got a steel and gold submariner for $20k and it's $14~15k right now🤭

*Sub is easy like 2 years ago easy, maybe in your part of the world it's difficult, but in America, you can get a sub date or no date in less than 3 months, some have gotten it in a week 0 purchase history. it's a datejust with a sub case and higher depth rating, it's the same mass produced time date movement, only the no date has a different movement. Don't buy this Tudor trash and pretend it's a Rolex, it's a waste, get it at a discount and negotiate hard on the grey. Monochrome Black Bay is too thick. METAS is an overpriced sales tactic.* *Also what constitutes a Rolex Jubilee Bracelet as per Rolex's classification in legal proceedings is an exactly identical 5 link bracelet and clasp "WITH" the Rolex Coronet then it is a Rolex Jubilee bracelet. They never really secured a patent on the design of the 'jubilee style bracelet' anyway (Jacoby Bender used to make it for them back in the day), hence you don't see them suing people for using bracelets that look like it (eg Zodiac etc) , as long as you don't use the crown, they're good.* I'm gonna admit, I'm a biased Rolex Snob, at least I'm honest about it. Don't go Tudor unless you're buying it for like 25% off, get that sub instead, then by the time you know it you'll sell the sub and will likely be in a better watch after, maybe a GMT, Daytona or President. No Tudor is worth retail ever. I tried a BB58 3 years ago, I sold in in 2 weeks, even the discount made me think how bad value it was, funny thing I broke even. Never again.

They run out of color options. Over the last few years the market had been saturated with a variety of colored dials.

I don't really like this "Ford Model-T-ization" of watches 😂

To test out this theory, we just need to ask a simple question. If the Rolex watches (all the models) are just $100 (edited from $10 to make it more interesting😂) higher than their Tudor counterparts and all are readily available in store, which brand will you go for? I will be very surprise not to see majority choose the crown period.

I currently have 2 Rolex and 3 Tudor, among others, in my collection of 18 watches. I bought the Tudors because i liked them. Its utter bollocks that they are poor mans Rolex or you buy them in place of a Rolex. All my watches fill a niche. I do not consider them an investment. I never plan to sell any.

Are Tudor watches as good as Rolex watches? Absolutely…. Do Tudor watches ‘scratch the itch’ when you really want a Rolex? Absolutely not.

I am yaping for years,Tudor is a original ali express brand,copiyng Rolex historical references one to one is Tudor forte and puting puny eta 2824 in a watch which cost almost 5k is unbelievable. Worst part is that Tudor after 100 years still doesn’t have their own design language or something original. You can argue that just one Seiko Monster is more original then whole Tudor line of watches since 1926.

Personally you’re talking crap , I am not rich , but have bought a couple of Rolex watches with no hassle at all .

I would never wear a Rolex. I find them to be overpriced and the people that want them are fake.Then the beautiful knock offs are just as nice.Then you see a Rolex and wonder if it’s fake.I like Bulova for the cost,quality ,and appearance.The Sinatra is a classy watch

Beautiful watch

As an owner of Tudor, Rolex, Omega, and IWC watches, I can only recommend that you buy what YOU like. No, Tudor "is not Rolex", just as Rolex is not Patek. Tudor IS a solid, well-built, tool-oriented swiss watch. As for resale- if your love of wrist watches is outweighed by your desire to recoup your money upon resale, I would not get into watches.

This is just an opinion. People who buy TUDOR appreciate wearing these watches. People who buy ROLEX wear these watches to be appreciated

I buy Tudor because I think they are great. Period. I don’t buy them for ROLEX reasons. And if you want a comparison, I think they are better than ROLEX

This is nonsense. Why dealers are buying from AD with high price and then sell with lower price ? Such discussions are useless. Yes, Rolex prices can drop and what ? Any thing or service have prices up and down. If today the price is down tomorrow the price can increase. This is why such presentations are not really important for potential buyers of Rolex but more important for obtaining more visualizations. Luxury products will have always buyers , people will not move from Rolex to other brands which have not vibe , even if their watches are better looking. Luxury brands develop strategies to keep high prices while going to normal people to sell more. Thus we will see more people with Rolex while the price stay high. Poor people will buy Rolex to feel better.

I just had the same experience in a Rolex Boutique yesterday.

I think Tudors by design are a more accessible brand with a lower price point to compete with the likes of Longines, but below Omega or Breitling. I own a Rolex Sub, an Explorer 36mm, and BB58. I think they can all happily coexist. I really do love my BB58.

Not true. Brands don't need to have tons of models to be successful or even desirable. Rolex have very simple catalogue for all these years and it's still the biggest watch brand in the world. In non watch world, you can see examples like Apple and Tesla, which keeps very simple product line up but focus more on quality and timeless design theme. Many other examples I don't want to list all but you get the point.

Whats ur wrist size

I bought one of these in early 2000s after buying a Submariner in 1996 and a Daytona in 1999. Why this Yacht Master did not take off in value escapes me but I think it may be due to it's market position relative to the other Rolex models. Men often buy a Submariner as their first Rolex, and once they have done that, they start looking at other Rolex models and at that point the Yacht Master gets overlooked. This model was one of the first to have solid links, some heft due to the Platinum, and some bling due to the polished body. It has the body of a Daytona and the movement of a Submariner. The Lums on it are awesome. When you own one you say to yourself, "Crap, this thing is just really cool!" When you go to a party, it is a great conversation piece. This watch is every bit as good as the newer ones Rolex has released, in my opinion. Get a Yacht-Master!!

Hi All, I have noticed a lot of hate and also alot of unfounded attacks on me and my channel for my opinion of this video. It is clear that many who do so have not actually watch the ENTIRETY of the video. I stand by this video and my analysis and opinions are made based on sound information which I provide the links to them as well. The massive price correction figures of the Tudor watches are from Watchcharts and Chrono24. I am not creating a video out of spite and spreading misinformation on purpose to get views - the truth is that the brand has become one dimensional due to the success of the Black Bay line. To the haters, do watch the entire video and try to understand objectively that this video is meant to address the issue on Tudor prices massive crash on the secondary market. If you disagree, it's fine... just enjoy the video! Let's keep ourselves civil here. :)

Nearly 20min long video and your whole point to bash Tudor was because they named a majority of their current lineup black bay? So what if Rolex suddenly renamed (highly unlikely) all their models to something like Submariner GMT, Submariner Chrono. Submarine Pro, Etc? Are u going to bash Rolex too? Come on its just a model name but we all know they are different watches with different functions and target audience

Wonderful video! Btw are you from MY or SG because of your familiar accent hahah

I've just bought a Grand Seiko Diver. Here are 5 reasons why it's better than Rolex Submariner. - Better movement (Spring Drive) - Better finish (Zaratsu polishing) - Has a power reserve indicator - Japanese heritage - Lower price 😂

Continue living in your delusions. One day you will be able to afford an IWC and then you will understand why this toyish Longines doesn't even come close to an IWC Pilot (Big Pilot or even Mark series)

also, i buy watch to collect and to wear it...not to sell it...

the reason i bought a tudor is because i want a tudor and it costs about 50% less than a rolex which i think has better value and you dont confuse a tudor with a rolex...if you want a rolex simply buy a rolex....very simple...by the way, rolex is also a mass produced brand...

If it sells well, why wouldn't you keep pushing it? Business 101. BMW for example has been making the same looking cars for decades with little to no changes in looks and performance, but they keep selling like crazy. No one cares that their BMW is just like all the millions of other BMWs they see on the road every day. They love what BMW is about and they will keep buying or leasing them. That is just good business. They found their niche. Tudor Retail has always been far more expensive than the Market price. Serious Tudor buyers and collectors never pay retail. They buy Grey market. Right now Rolex has finally burned its bridge with its buyers because of its business practices over the years. Rolex buyers are fed up and dont want to buy Rolex brand due to Rolex's AD arrogance. Tudor is not meant to be Rolex despite containing Rolex internals. It was originally marketed to people who cannot or will never afford a Rolex brand. It is a Rolex with different movement and less precious metals on the exterior, to make it more affordable with the Tudor name slapped on its face. It is still techically a Rolex. It was just made to be sold at a lower, more reasonable price point. Also there is no need to buy multiple watches before being allowed to buy a Tudor at any AD.

Iwc is a nice watch, but its such bad value for money, compared to the longines spirit, iwc basically uses the same base movement, isnt cosc, doenst have lumed numerals, has an aweful date window.

Calling the new BB58 GMT rubbish denotes complete ignorance.