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Can Africa Ever Feed Itself?
Much bless ups and strength to brothers, sisters, friends and well wishers.
This episode is livicated to the upliftment and awareness of the need for Food Security on the beloved Continent.
What caused the problems, what is the present state and what can be done to improve the situation?
These will al be tackled and I am open for suggestions and feedback for the I's on your perspective.
The continent that birthed and nurtured humanity cannot allow itself to be
insecure in terms of feeding its people, healthily.
For too long we have depended on foreign aid and foreign control.
Let I an I rise above the past and become food secure, the only basis for real independence.
The music on this video is African Roots by classic roots singer Johnny Clarke.
Feel free to contact I at email: khepratoil@mail.com
Jah RasTafari Almighty bless and keep the I's
Thanks for the support and for subscribing.
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RasTafari Links To the Dogon and the Mayan Based Dreamspell
zhlédnutí 18Před 21 hodinou
Welcome Family and well wishers. Here I introduce the connections both ancient and modern between RasTafari, Ethiopia. Egypt, The Dogon of Mali West Africa and the Mayan based Dreamspell 13 Moon Calendar astrological system. Ethiopia has 13 months of the year, just as the Mayan Dreamspell has 13 moons of the year. H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie 1 was born on July 23rd the heliacal rising of the ...
Tribute To The Wailers Three The Hard Way
zhlédnutí 49Před 14 dny
Welcome again Fam! This presentation is a short tribute and meditation on the three Wailers, Bob, Peter and Bunny. They must one day be carved into the Mt Rushmore of RasTafari. These Tuff Icons, with the help of others, struggled to worldwide fame but had sad endings. Let I an I overstand how Jah moves very practically and there is a reason for everything. More Blessings in these chaotic times...
Hermetic Philosophy is Based on African Spirituality PT 2
zhlédnutí 261Před 28 dny
More Blessings and RasTafari Love Fire. Here is the close of my case for ancient Egypt/Khemet, an African culture as the source of the essential teachings that became the Hermetic canon in Europe and would go on to influence the Renaissance, the Enlightenment and German Idealism Philosophy Hegel and his ilk. I show the ties and parallels found in sub-Saharan Africa as well Please comment and le...
Tribute to Steel Pulse Reggae Legends
zhlédnutí 798Před měsícem
Welcome one and all. This is the first in a series of videos giving tribute to the Roots Reggae Legends of the Golden Age of Reggae. Steel Pulse seemed to come from out of nowhere to keep the Rasta Reggae torch blazing even though I an I was not use to grounding to Reggae from Britain, at the time. David" Dread" Hinds and crew transcended nations and continents and got the approval of greats li...
Hermetic Philosophy is based on African Spirituality PT 1
zhlédnutí 577Před měsícem
Blessed Love Kings and Queens, Princes and Princesses of Jah RasTafari. This episode is the beginning of the process to reclaim the African knowledge and Mystery systems that influenced and ended up in Europe as Hermetic Philosophy. I an I have resonated with that current intuitively and some of I an I scholars were bold enough to proclaim it many decades ago but Babylon system academia has alw...
Chris Must List Exposed Ugliness in Beautiful Trinidad
zhlédnutí 22Před měsícem
Welcome again RasTafari and all people of good will. This episode deals with the past, present and possible future of the twin island nation in the southern Caribbean, Trinidad and Tobago. It has been in the Internet news since authorities arrested Christ Must List, the international CZcamsr from Toronto, Canada. He is out now but still faces court appearance and charges. As the world looks on ...
Roger Fortson Execution by Deputy Nyahbighi Fire
zhlédnutí 21Před měsícem
Greetings Family. This episode is a call to chant Nyahbinghi against the Babylon system and its murderous racist ways. A very promising and disciplined young man, Roger Fortson Jr, a Senior Airman of the U.S. Air Force has been put to rest after being executed senselessly by a cowardly sheriff's deputy in Florida. I send condolences to his grieving family and ask that we pray for them. All Nyah...
Is Vybz Kartel a Gangsta or an Artist?
zhlédnutí 1KPřed 2 měsíci
The whole world is watching to see what will be the fate of the biggest artist in Jamaican Dancehall music as he fights through the legal system to leave the prison bars behind. He has been sitting in prison for over 10 years for the murder of an associate called Lizard. The Privy Council cancelled the verdict because of witness tampering but instead of freeing Kartel he is still behind bars as...
Crack and Gangsta Rap were Used to Keep Black People Down
zhlédnutí 60Před 2 měsíci
Here we take a look at how we got to the crisis we are in as a people today. We are morally adrift and the plot was set with the introduction of crack cocaine into our communities and then the popularization of Gangsta Rap. I and I analyze the causes and put forward some solutions. Feel free to give your opinion and strategy ideas on how we can develop and as a free and healthy people going for...
How Can Lee Perry Be Left Out Of The Bob Marley Movie
zhlédnutí 1,5KPřed 3 měsíci
I review the legendary collaborations and mentorship between Lee Scratch Perry and Bob Marley. I also consider the implications of Lee being left out of the Bob Marley One Love movie and how disrespectful it is. If you are interested in Spiritual Guidance, Health tips and products or Financial tips Contact Ras Ber I at 828-348-9535 or khepratoil@mail.com Some services are free and others are pr...
Is America in Crisis, On the Edge of Fascism?
zhlédnutí 27Před 5 měsíci
This video scans the political and cultural landscape of contemporary America revealing the loss of meaning and integrity. It analyzes the Far Right MAGA movement and the threat of Fascism that it represents. It shows that the U.S. can become destabilized if something is not done to eradicate the dangerous disregard for truth and the covert and overt racism of the MAGA movement.
King Solomon The Master Key of Revelation
zhlédnutí 270Před 2 lety
Greetings Kings and Queens of the Most High. Here I assert based on inspiration from Jah and research that the idea and history concerning King Solomon are the major key to understanding and being spiritually successful in our chaotic times. Conscious cultivation of our identification with the King of Kings means that we are kings and queens and we must therefore carry ourselves in that Royal i...
Voudun and Meditative Practices
zhlédnutí 149Před 3 lety
Righteous ones of all traditions can unite in the essence of genuine spiritual practice. This edition presents the elements that make up Voudun and how its practice , now present all over the world, has much in common with ancient Israelite tradition and Ethiopian Christianity. Scholars know that they all were tributaries from the river that was Ancient Egypt or Kemet. Enjoy this presentation a...
Meditation The Gateway to Non Dual Spirituality
zhlédnutí 268Před 3 lety
In this episode we deconstruct meditation and how it is the fundamental core practice and experience common to all spiritual traditions and religions. We look at its relation to the hemispheres of the brain and how their unification in function leads to enlightenment. Please explore this topic with me and see if you agree that regular meditation is a key ingredient for the solutions of the prob...
Relieve Stress And Disease Through Meditation
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Relieve Stress And Disease Through Meditation
Business Success Principles for Spiritual People
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Is Enoch the Messiah in First Enoch ?
zhlédnutí 1,1KPřed 3 lety
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RasTafari The True Christianity
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Urim and Thummim The Priests of YHWH used Divination
zhlédnutí 131Před 4 lety
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The Meaning of Life
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The Meaning of Life
The AfterLife What Really Happens on the Other Side
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White Fear And Racism, Alive And Unwell In America
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How To Overcome Depression
zhlédnutí 103Před 4 lety
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Righteous Divinization and Divination. How To Communicate With God.
zhlédnutí 130Před 4 lety
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The Importance of Proper Breathing How To Meditate
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Hell On Earth :Who Shall Save The Human Race ?
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Lust of Result The Root of All Evil
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God is Now and we are all part of God.
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God is Now and we are all part of God.

Komentáře

  • @thenowchurch6419
    @thenowchurch6419 Před 9 dny

    Greetings Fam! The music on this one is Zion Hut by Ijahman Levi from his classic masterpiece album Haile I Hymn. I have met the man personally and can vouch for his sincerity and love of Jah Rastafari and Imanity.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Once again Idren ..Wonderful Reasonings. Infinite love, Infinite oneness, Infinite now ✡️

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 9 dny

      Yes I. Infinite Raspectful Freedom, Equal Rights and Justice For All.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    I gratitude is of the Highest Ites

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 9 dny

      Jah Jah know. Gratitude is the best attitude. More strength and wisemind to the I.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    The I & this channel is a pure Blessing to I..... RASpek Idren ❤️

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Mucho excellent reasonings Idren I give thanx n praise

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 19 dny

      Iyah I, Selassie I ! Yeah Rasta. Jah is downloading crucial content into I. Bless up and Thanx!

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    God loves us through us ❤

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 23 dny

      I pray thee, please elaborate on what that means to the I.

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před 23 dny

      @thenowchurch6419 I saying that Jah shows the love for I threw others & animals..... those of us who "love" one another is proof of the MOST HIGH love

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 23 dny

      @@3sotericCompassionist1976 Yes I king. I fully agree with that but would add that Jah also loves us through our Holy Guardian Angel and Nature as a whole.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Excellent reasonings

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    As a so-called white hue man I give thanx n praise to the I

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    The philosophers Stone = The Pineal Gland ..... aligorical for the alchemical transmutation of "lead into Gold" ?

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 28 dny

      Hail the I this new day! As I overstand it the Philosopher's Stone would represent the Pineal Gland fully activated. The alchemical transmutation of lead into gold is a lower level correspondence of the same process. Only a scientist who studied Alchemy in extreme detail, which is very hard to do as the names and symbols for the chemicals and processes changed over time and different alchemists would use different ones, would be able to tell whether any of them actually turned lead or some base metal into gold or produced a Philosopher's Stone healing medicine. As for the spiritual version, we can examine the lives of those associated with Rosicrucian doctrine and the evidence supports the idea. Swedenborg, Sir Isaac Newton and Jakob Boehme would be good examples. Bless King.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    👁 give thanx n praise

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 28 dny

      Yes I. Nuff Thanx and Praise for a new day to work for Equal Rights, Justice and Peace and just enjoy Jah Creation.

  • @NicholasHenry-nw9rl
    @NicholasHenry-nw9rl Před měsícem

    The Mystic Revealers band salutes The King's Master Warrior Musical Instrumental vibrations of Rastafarians ".. Rimshatt Drumking,.. From the mystic Revealers..🥁🥁💦Master,Drumking Nesbeth.. Grizzly Lion,👑👑🎵🎶 Your Skills and Patterns, i an I work

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Yes I. Grizzly is among the top drummers in any genre. Very inspiring warrior drumming of Rastafari. Raspect to Mystic Revealers band as well.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    I an I had the great honor to see these incredible individuals about 25 yearz ago in a small town in Idaho.... it was a great privilege.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Yes I Idren! I man saw them a few times over the years. The best one was the first time around 1984 in Trinidad. It became standing room only. Those of us with seats stood on them. Jah herb was shared freely while audience members jumped up on stage next to the band as they were performing. I an I in the audience sang along to everything and danced all night. It was a little taste of what it might have been like to catch Bob Marley and the Wailers before Bob transitioned. Good times!

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před měsícem

      ​@thenowchurch6419 what's thee I thought of "Ras Ben" ?

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      @@3sotericCompassionist1976 Who is Ras Ben?

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před měsícem

      @thenowchurch6419 The I has a channel here on CZcams.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 29 dny

      @@3sotericCompassionist1976 OK, I have seen him before. The little I can tell from memory and what I see now is that the brother like Ital Iman has good intentions but is confusing the planes or levels of reality. There may or may not be extraterrestrial ships visiting earth but those are not the Ingels of Jah and I wont say they are evil spirits either. I an I salvation comes from the Most High who is Spirit AKA Irit and neither H.I.M. nor the Ingels need physical ships to travel on or to take I an I any where. It is easier for the material minded ones to believe in extraterrestrial technology as the fulfillment of scripture rather than spiritual transformation and astral travel so the Ras has many fans and followers. I do not like to be overly critical of I brothers but in love I say I cannot get on board with his worldview. I like his focus on Khemet but again his interpretation is always on the lower planes. May Jah bless and enlighten him.

  • @dielectrictruth1040
    @dielectrictruth1040 Před měsícem

    🙂

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    One must cultivate Compass ion , or be lost. 🧭. Profound teaching Idren 👌🏽

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Excellent stones in I an I foundation Imandment Jah Rastafari 🙏🏼

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    I have so much Reverency for this great-upfull channel... Give thanx n praise to the I 🙏🏼 Bless up King

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Raspect every time Iyah, Africa and Africans must come to realize the greatness of their culture and legacy which was gifted to the world before I an I were captured and kidnapped.

  • @elizabethhann4028
    @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

    Thank you for posting this. It was very informative. I hadn't heard of what had happened with Chris Must List until now; you have enlightened me. I honestly wish that we could communicate outside of CZcams; are you on Instagram? Because I am. ❤💛💚ONE LOVE❤💛💚

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      I Give much Thanks Sistren. I do have an Instagram. It is lionpower5. Hit I up over there. Bless up.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Demanding innocent self aware sentient beings be exploited & or destroyed for fashion and palate/sensory pleasures is #1 fallen lustfull low chakra vybe .... the Root of destruction & immortality This is excellent reasonings Idren 🙏🏼

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    🙏🏼

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      I just replied to your email. So let I know where I can help.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976

    Is there a way we can communicate off youtube...

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Sure, I usually have my email address in the info section. It is khepratoil@mail.com

  • @Cybervue
    @Cybervue Před měsícem

    Blessed Love to You Too!!

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Thanks! That means a lot. Keep up the Great Work.:)

  • @Jahfriend
    @Jahfriend Před měsícem

    Checking your Videos today think i can learn alot thankyou love to you for sharing 🦁🙏👍

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      I give thanks for your taking time to watch and comment. Please feel free to look at all the videos and to suggest episode ideas. I have upped my rate of uploading so there will be lots of new vids coming on line in the days and weeks ahead. Bless.

    • @Jahfriend
      @Jahfriend Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 Thankyou I’ve uploaded some music on my channel to blessed love ❤

  • @elizabethhann4028
    @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

    And where did you find the illustration that first appears around the 1:59-minute point? If you would please tell me where you found it, I would be truly grateful.

  • @elizabethhann4028
    @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

    Which song were you playing in the background of this video, at the beginning? Please tell me.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Bless up. The tune in the background is Big Youth's Mosiah Garvey (extended), a remix and dub of Burning Spear's classic Marcus Garvey Words Come to Pass. It is here on CZcams. Keep tuning in. I have lots more in store. RasTafari.

    • @elizabethhann4028
      @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 Thank you so much for telling me that. I will, indeed, tune in. I watched a few of your other videos earlier today, and I love what you're doing. You're speaking about what you believe in, and you're sharing wisdom. I can't wait to hear more from you. Take care. ❤💛💚

  • @elizabethhann4028
    @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

    Thank you so much for posting this. I appreciate your videos so much. I too thought that the "ONE LOVE" movie left out so many vital aspects of Bob Marley's life, and - most damningly of all - it neglected to give any serious screentime or dialogue to Bob's fellow-artists and artistic mentors. I mean, the film didn't even provide dialogue for a *PETER TOSH* character(!), let alone a Perry character. The film's neglect of Perry - and of the incredible influence he had on Marley's artistic development - was terribly disappointing, but I personally found the film's neglect of Tosh to be even more so.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Peace and blessings queen. Thank you for the encouraging words. I agree; leaving Peter Tosh out of any major role is a travesty. Jah Love and Blessings to you and yours.

  • @pdub332
    @pdub332 Před měsícem

    You said: 6. The identity of the Angel of the Lord and the Messenger of the Covenant are not essential to salvation. Know who Christ is, is essential so that point is moot. My response: I agree. I never claimed that knowing the identity of Michael is essential to salvation. Christ is the key. That doesn't stop the fact that Jesus has many more names and titles in the bible that are not clearly attributed to Him. Through study, we can see that He can be identified many times where it is not stated He is Jesus. You said" 7. With all due respect your view of using the whole Bible and finding verses that you interpret as revealing the hidden nature of such a "Bible Thing" is the exact method and argument used by Pre-Trib repture proponents. My response: Sorry, with all due respect, please check back on my posts. I have said nothing about about finding verses or revealing hidden natures. I said the opposite. You have to take the bible as a whole, NOT pick particular verses. You cannot leave out parts of the bible, you have to take the whole thing. Can you please acknowledge that you have misrepresented what I said? Error always creeps in when people paraphrase. You said: 8. Please read Psalms concerning the Divine Council. Those are the many Heavenly Princes. My response: Thank you for the suggestion. However, there is zero scriptural connection here with heavenly princes. This seems to be your best guess. No heavenly being apart from Jesus and Michael are referred to as Princes. The only other princes are either human or satanic. You said: 9. An authority who protects something can delegate another being to do the hands on job and both are said to protect the thing or person BUT the authority is the real Protector. That is all that I mean. Of course to guard is the protect but that does not make the guard the ultimate Protector. My response: Please refer to what I said in response to your third point. Here is an example of what I mean. We agree it is biblically accurate to say Jesus and Michael are protectors of Israel. However, you are presenting your own reasoning to suppose they may not be the same person. There is nothing scriptural in your argument here. You said: 10. It is not for us to question the ways of the Lord. Obviously the Lord delegates others to fight wars in His name. Israel's forces did that many times. Sometimes the Lord would join the battle at others He would not. My response: Again, please see my above comment. Where is your scripture to back up what you say here. I was talking about Jesus leading angels into battle. Your only rebuttal is that God sent Israel's forces into battle. That is changing the subject my friend. We were talking about celestial conflict, you are talking about human conflict. Additionally, the bible does not show Israel being sent to fight God' battles. Quite the opposite. The bible says that God will fight OUR battles. You said: Again the same argument holds for the Voice of the Archangel. Christ can delegate an angel to have powers to raise the dead in His name. It does not make the Archangel the same person as the Lord. My response: Yet again, the reasoning you are presenting here is not scriptural. The bible clearly talks of the Archangels voice raising the dead, and also of Jesus voice raising the dead. For your argument to say that they are not the same person despite their voices raising the dead at the second coming does not follow any sound logic. You said: 11. The Bible only makes the case for Michael=Jesus in the perception of someone who wants to see that or already believes it. My response: I have consistently made the case that the scriptures are making. It is not my case. You said: No writer of scripture ever stated it and it is certainly not a doctrine needed for salvation so I ask why go so hard for such an obscure and non-essential doctrine? My response: As I said already, there are many passages that refer to Jesus without stating it. It does not mean the person is not Jesus. I agree it is not needed for salvation, but what are you asking me to do? If someone raises a bible point that I believe is incorrect, should I not correct it? For example let's say you made an argument to say that Adam died before Methuselah was born. It is not essential for salvation, but in bible discussion I would correct the assertion. Would you then accuse me of going in hard for a non-essential doctrine? In fact it is those who do not believe that Michael is Jesus that seem to go in hard and become quite enraged with the suggestion, with slurs and accusations of heresy, blasphemy and often worse. Just go to any anti-SDA channel on the topic of Michael. You said: I feel that you are genuine but I have been where you have been, having been a believer in SDA doctrine for many years in the past. My response: No problem, you have to follow your path. Staying strong in Christ is the key. The Bible is God's word, so let that be your guide. You said: I look forward to more positive discussions. Peace and blessings in Iyesus Kristos the Lord Almighty. My response: Amen

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Greetings bro. In respect to my channel please let us keep this in one thread. Please do not just reply apart from the thread we have started. Thank you. From the beginning of our discussion to now you have ignored a key point. The doctrine that Christ is the Archangel Michael has implications for salvation because it can imply that He is not God. This is a case where you presuppose and assume that they are the same person and reason from there, explaining away any discrepancies. The passages in Jude as I have taken pains to explain is not consistent with a being that is God and if that is the case you are demoting Christ from divine to a created being. This is why this issue does not seem to you to be essential to salvation but it is. I am not sure how you can be claiming that your method is not about finding verses. That is just a matter of course. If one is using scripture one must locate verses that support your point. So I really do not get your denial there. I acknowledged that your method is based on the whole Bible; I actually use that phrase in my point. If something is not clearly stated it is not seen, correct? That is the meaning of "hidden". Your method is to use the entire bible to reveal something that was not previously clear. So I do not get your denial of that either. No, I did not misrepresent your position. Here are the scriptures referring to the Divine Council: "Psalm 89:5-7 says, “The heavens praise your wonders, LORD, your faithfulness too, in the assembly of the holy ones. For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings? In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him.” These verses present a divine council: heavenly beings referred to as “the council of the holy ones.” Psalm 82:1 also indicates that “God has taken his place in the divine council” (Psalm 82:1, ESV). The “divine council” is also called the “great assembly” (NIV), “heaven’s court” (NLT), and “His own congregation” (NASB)." The definition of a Prince is a son of a monarch, nominally or originally. The Divine Council beings are called "Sons of Yahweh". In Psalms 82:6 the Council members are called "sons of Yahweh". They are heavenly princes. We do not use scripture alone to understand scripture, we must understand history, culture and language and also use God given logic. So are you saying that Yahweh is not the ultimate Protector and Guard of Israel? Michael is a protector of Israel but possibly as a delegated authority. That title cannot be used to say he is the Lord. You would have to prove using other scriptures that Michael is the Lord since Monarchs can and do delegate duties and works to others. No where did we agree that on this point we are only talking about celestial battles. That may have been what was in your mind but we never made such an agreement. Are you saying that Israel's battles are not the Lord's battles? Israel never was formed based on any man's will but God's decree to glorify Himself so any battle they fought, for example the battle to capture Jerusalem, were the battles of the Lord. The Lord did not always join the battle but had delegated men to do it. The same applies to Michael leading angels into battle. God is orderly and consistent so I did not change the topic. It is your logic that is not sound concerning the Voice of the Archangel and the Voice of Christ at the 2nd Coming. Are not all the special declarations by angels given them by the Lord, ultimately the Voice of the Lord? So there is no contradiction between the Voice of the Archangel waking the dead being called the Voice of the Lord, yet they are separate persons. You just do not seem to understand or agree with the delegation of powers which is done by the Lord. Ezekiel for example presents King David as the Messiah in the new Kingdom but the Messiah is Iyesus Kristos not David. That is one of many examples. The Lord is a priest after the order of Melchizedek yet He is the Lord of Melchizedek. Only those with the light of the Holy Spirit can comprehend these paradoxes. You say that the scriptures make the point that Michael=Jesus, but no one but one person in ancient history and the SDA and Jw's have deciphered what is so obvious in scripture, when the entire Bible is studied, according to you. That is not very convincing but sounds more like heresy. I have accused you of going hard for what you say is a non-essential doctrine and maybe it is because I and others have accused your doctrine of blasphemy. The reason I accuse the doctrine of that is because it dangerously demotes Christ from being the God of Creation, for reasons I have already explained. It is not enough to say " the Bible is God's word. Let that be your guide". There are a few different canons and several different translations and hundreds of different interpretations. It does not clarify anything to take that advice. The Bible contains the essentials of salvation and has great guidance but it cannot explain itself. It is a collection of books and words in various human languages. Human languages change over time and cultures do as well. We also must have and depend of the Holy Spirit to explain it. We have to take into account the authority of the ancient tradition of the Church, which started before there was a New Testament or a consensus on the canon. The Tewahedo Ethiopian Orthodox Church for example has 81 books in its Bible including the book of First Enoch. After you reply to this, let me know if you want to discuss the nature of the 2nd Coming because that is the crux of the differences between my understanding and that of the SDA. Bless up.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 Sorry, I did reply in the other thread but they were not showing. If you sort your video by newest they may show. I'm not sure why it does that. I'm heading out now so will get back to you when I get time.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 However, I should say upfront that there are some critical flaws in your response.

  • @pdub332
    @pdub332 Před měsícem

    You said: 1.The fact that Michael would not rail against even someone who is not a dignitary, does not affect my point. It in fact strengthens it because it shows a deference that is not becoming of the Lord Almighty. My response: With respect, if you cannot demonstrate a single time when Jesus or God railed at anybody, then I would say you have not even made a point here. The bible only ever talks about not doing such. God never did it, Jesus never did it. Michael never did it. You said: My point is based on the use of a conjugation of the word "dare" which indicates a fear of punishment and need for great caution. The Lord does not need to consider the consequences of daring since He always thinks and acts perfectly. My response: Not daring does not indicate fear in context which I already set out for you. Dare or not daring can mean many things depending on the context. We know that Jesus was challenged to do several things while in the wilderness with Satan, but chose not to do them. That does not mean He was fearful, just that He was being tempted to do things that He would not do in any situation. Similarly with Michael, He would not rail in any situation, so it is not a matter of fear unless railing is something that He would ordinarily do. As we agree, He thinks and acts perfectly so would never rail. You said: 2. I do not know if you misunderstood my statement but you certainly stated that my point implied or directly meant that the Lord would "dare" steal or murder or break the decalogue. I never implied that because the term "dare" cannot apply to Him and He acts in total Love which fulfills the Law, at all times, which is His nature. To state that my position was making a case that Christ would speak evil and then ask a series of questions based on similar premises is to state that my point made those cases as well. My response: You are presupposing terms that cannot apply because of your determined understanding of Michael. The words 'regret', repent', 'relent' apply to God in the bible, and causes many Christian much confusion when they come across these passages because it does not fit an omnipotent God. However, theologians have reasoned that these terms cannot apply to God in the same way that they are applied to humans and must mean something different. So I have no problem with the term 'dare' because just like God regretting, repenting and relenting; it does not apply in the context that you are presenting it, unless you can show me where God or Jesus carried out the railing actions that Michael did not. I didn't misunderstand your point, I think you misunderstood mine. I know you would not suggest such behaviour of Jesus which is why I was probing your supposition that for Michael not to rail could only be out of fear when no context supports that view. You said: 3. In making your case you consistently presuppose that Michael and Christ are one. That is contrary to a debate or discussion of a debated point. Our discussion is not just about whether the Bible has a clear statement on the issue but about the truth or falsity of the issue. To discuss that honestly one must put aside one's presuppositions and argue as if it has not been proven to be true as yet. My response: I have already done this and provided the truth that we can find in the bible alone showing that Jesus and Michael share unique attributes such as: Heavenly prince Protector of Israel Ruler of Angels Defeater of Satan Voice raising the dead Can you show even one other person in the bible who can do even one of these things? In fact, it is your reasoning against these shared attributes that have come from your presuppositions and not from the bible. You said: 4. My brother in humanity, regardless of whether Jude was quoting an apocryphal text or not it would not make sense for him to omit that Michael is the Lord pre-incarnate unless it was a secret or a mystery. The whole Bible is about Christ so any opportunity to identify some thing that He said or did in the past would only be natural and logical. To omit it would be strange. My response: The passage was a warning against the behaviour of some who had infiltrated the christian church. You are supposing who Jude has to identify for your own edification. Jude is quoting to make a point about railing against dignitaries. Not to settle a discussion about the identity of Michael. You said: 5. Two translations and an allowance in a King James translation are not "several". I made no mistake in researching that the Hebrew word used in Daniel was Ahad which does not stretch to mean First. Echad can mean First but was not used. My response: With respect, several = more than two, so two translations and a KJV reference IS several. The definition of Ahad is taken back to the root word Echad. As I pointed out, Ahad has been translated as 'First' by independent experts whose versions are legitimately used by Christians and bible students. Again, I will have to take their expertise over yours.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Brother I can tell it would be a waste of time to continue discussing with you. Not only are you determinedly stuck to your presupposition but you do not comprehend my points. Based on my argument it matters not whether the Lord or Michael would "rail" against a being or not. My whole point was based on an understanding of "dare". If dare means what I am saying it means then it cannot apply to God. If you cannot see that the action of railing or not railing is not pertinent to my point it makes no sense to continue. Thank you for finally responding to to my "dare" point since that was the overarching issue for my point that Michael is not God. Your delving into use of repent etc for God in the Bible can be and has been rationally explained, showing how His connection to the term is different from that of a human. God repenting is not changing His mind from sin, so it is different from the Bible's use of that term for humans. For example God resting in Genesis is not the same as a human who needs to rest because of our finite bodies. But use of dare is pretty straightforward. The Greek word is Etelmesen and that combined with the word "not" (ouk) in front of it clearly means " did not dare". You can ascribe that to the Lord God Almighty but I will refrain from the appearance of blasphemy. Your argument that Jude was so focused on his contextual point that he would find it unnecessary to mention that Michael is the Lord is quite illogical to me. It is similar to your doctrine that Sunday keeping in the Jacob's trouble is the Mark of the Beast 666 though the Bible nowhere confirms that. You have been convinced of that by arguments of dualistic correspondence and cherry picked verses and then you read it into the whole Bible. I pray that you find the Light one day soon. Please make one more reply if you feel the need and let us stop the dialogue. Thank you.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 You said: From the beginning of our discussion to now you have ignored a key point. The doctrine that Christ is the Archangel Michael has implications for salvation because it can imply that He is not God. My response: The only implication that He is not God comes from those who insist Michael is a created angel, which is not my view. You said: This is a case where you presuppose and assume that they are the same person and reason from there, explaining away any discrepancies. My response: You have ignored my explanations that it is not a supposition, but derived from bible study. You said: The passages in Jude as I have taken pains to explain is not consistent with a being that is God and if that is the case you are demoting Christ from divine to a created being. This is why this issue does not seem to you to be essential to salvation but it is. My response: I have never stated a belief that Michael is a created being. That is your belief. You said: I am not sure how you can be claiming that your method is not about finding verses. That is just a matter of course. If one is using scripture one must locate verses that support your point. So I really do not get your denial there. I acknowledged that your method is based on the whole Bible; I actually use that phrase in my point. If something is not clearly stated it is not seen, correct? That is the meaning of "hidden". Your method is to use the entire bible to reveal something that was not previously clear. So I do not get your denial of that either. No, I did not misrepresent your position. My response: It's not about finding verses. It's about the whole bible and context. For example, you zero in on Jude 9 whereas I use the whole section for context. You make it sound as if I need to search for specific scriptures to support my point. The bible supports my point. You talk about things being hidden. I disagree, and Jesus disagrees. He was disappointed with His followers when they failed to understand the scriptures that talked about Him. Jesus didn't see these as hidden scriptures or meanings. Clearly, through study, we are expected to learn these truths that may not be clearly stated. Clearly stated does not mean hidden. You said: Here are the scriptures referring to the Divine Council: "Psalm 89:5-7 says, “The heavens praise your wonders, LORD, your faithfulness too, in the assembly of the holy ones. For who in the skies above can compare with the LORD? Who is like the LORD among the heavenly beings? In the council of the holy ones God is greatly feared; he is more awesome than all who surround him.” These verses present a divine council: heavenly beings referred to as “the council of the holy ones.” Psalm 82:1 also indicates that “God has taken his place in the divine council” (Psalm 82:1, ESV). The “divine council” is also called the “great assembly” (NIV), “heaven’s court” (NLT), and “His own congregation” (NASB)." The definition of a Prince is a son of a monarch, nominally or originally. The Divine Council beings are called "Sons of Yahweh". In Psalms 82:6 the Council members are called "sons of Yahweh". They are heavenly princes. My response: Read Psalm 82 through carefully and with a clean lens my friend. Don't these sound like fallen angels? Do these really seem like beings that are faithfully serving their God? As I said, apart from Michael/Jesus. As I said earlier, the only other princes are human or satanic. You said: We do not use scripture alone to understand scripture, we must understand history, culture and language and also use God given logic. My response: Problem is that your God given logic is leading you astray because you are leaning on your own understanding and not on the word of God. You said: So are you saying that Yahweh is not the ultimate Protector and Guard of Israel? My response: Yahweh IS the ultimate protector of Israel of course. How does this relate to Michael and Jesus? You said: Michael is a protector of Israel but possibly as a delegated authority. That title cannot be used to say he is the Lord. You would have to prove using other scriptures that Michael is the Lord since Monarchs can and do delegate duties and works to others. My response: It is not a strong argument to say Michael 'possibly' has delegated authority. This is another example of you straying from what scripture says to try to get your narrative to fit. The bible tells us that Michael is Israel's protector, YOU would have to prove that it is a delegated authority since you made the assertion against what the bible tells us.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 You said: No where did we agree that on this point we are only talking about celestial battles. That may have been what was in your mind but we never made such an agreement. Are you saying that Israel's battles are not the Lord's battles? Israel never was formed based on any man's will but God's decree to glorify Himself so any battle they fought, for example the battle to capture Jerusalem, were the battles of the Lord. The Lord did not always join the battle but had delegated men to do it. My response: Yes, but God tells the Israelites that He will fight their battles. He doesn't send them out alone. He is with them. You said: The same applies to Michael leading angels into battle. My response: It does not apply because you have not shown where it applies. You present a Christ who sends others to battle for Him. This is not scriptural. You said: God is orderly and consistent so I did not change the topic. My response: You widened the focus of the conversation. In any case I have shown that God/Jesus do not send humans or angels out into battle alone. He is with them. You said: It is your logic that is not sound concerning the Voice of the Archangel and the Voice of Christ at the 2nd Coming. Are not all the special declarations by angels given them by the Lord, ultimately the Voice of the Lord? So there is no contradiction between the Voice of the Archangel waking the dead being called the Voice of the Lord, yet they are separate persons. You just do not seem to understand or agree with the delegation of powers which is done by the Lord. Ezekiel for example presents King David as the Messiah in the new Kingdom but the Messiah is Iyesus Kristos not David. That is one of many examples. The Lord is a priest after the order of Melchizedek yet He is the Lord of Melchizedek. Only those with the light of the Holy Spirit can comprehend these paradoxes. My response: That is because Jesus is from the line of David. David of course also being a priest after the order of Melchizedek, so there is a logic to the links. It's not some non biblical delegated authority argument that you are trying to use. You said: You say that the scriptures make the point that Michael=Jesus, but no one but one person in ancient history and the SDA and Jw's have deciphered what is so obvious in scripture, when the entire Bible is studied, according to you. That is not very convincing but sounds more like heresy. My response: You are obviously not aware of the many bible commentators who identify Jesus with Michael. The belief goes back to at least the 1600's, more than 200 years before the SDA movement. You said: I have accused you of going hard for what you say is a non-essential doctrine and maybe it is because I and others have accused your doctrine of blasphemy. The reason I accuse the doctrine of that is because it dangerously demotes Christ from being the God of Creation, for reasons I have already explained. My response: It does not, because I am not claiming that Michael is a created being. You said: It is not enough to say " the Bible is God's word. Let that be your guide". There are a few different canons and several different translations and hundreds of different interpretations. It does not clarify anything to take that advice. The Bible contains the essentials of salvation and has great guidance but it cannot explain itself. It is a collection of books and words in various human languages. Human languages change over time and cultures do as well. We also must have and depend of the Holy Spirit to explain it. We have to take into account the authority of the ancient tradition of the Church, which started before there was a New Testament or a consensus on the canon. The Tewahedo Ethiopian Orthodox Church for example has 81 books in its Bible including the book of First Enoch. My response: I'm sorry, it is tradition that skews the word of God and take man on his own course of understanding because the traditions are not rooted in God's word. You are correct that we need to depend on the the Holy Spirit. I would add prayer to that. But where tradition varies from the word of God, I want no part of that. You said: After you reply to this, let me know if you want to discuss the nature of the 2nd Coming because that is the crux of the differences between my understanding and that of the SDA. My response: No problem You said: Brother I can tell it would be a waste of time to continue discussing with you. Not only are you determinedly stuck to your presupposition but you do not comprehend my points. Based on my argument it matters not whether the Lord or Michael would "rail" against a being or not. My whole point was based on an understanding of "dare". If dare means what I am saying it means then it cannot apply to God. If you cannot see that the action of railing or not railing is not pertinent to my point it makes no sense to continue. My response: I already explained that you are applying it in human terms rather than in the context of the chapter. That is what you have ignored a few times now. You said: Thank you for finally responding to to my "dare" point since that was the overarching issue for my point that Michael is not God. Your delving into use of repent etc for God in the Bible can be and has been rationally explained, showing how His connection to the term is different from that of a human. God repenting is not changing His mind from sin, so it is different from the Bible's use of that term for humans. For example God resting in Genesis is not the same as a human who needs to rest because of our finite bodies. But use of dare is pretty straightforward. The Greek word is Etelmesen and that combined with the word "not" (ouk) in front of it clearly means " did not dare". You can ascribe that to the Lord God Almighty but I will refrain from the appearance of blasphemy. My response: You are rationalising repent, regret, relent when applied to God and acknowledge that it does not apply in the same way as it does a human. That is what I explained for 'dare' that it does not apply in the same way, and again you ignore it because of your presupposition. You said: Your argument that Jude was so focused on his contextual point that he would find it unnecessary to mention that Michael is the Lord is quite illogical to me. My response: Why? What relevance did it have to the message not to rail? Furthermore, you are supposing that Jude knows the identity of Michael and the people he was writing to don't know. You are assuming who has certain information and who doesn't. You said: It is similar to your doctrine that Sunday keeping in the Jacob's trouble is the Mark of the Beast 666 though the Bible nowhere confirms that. You have been convinced of that by arguments of dualistic correspondence and cherry picked verses and then you read it into the whole Bible. I pray that you find the Light one day soon. My response: I haven't made that point, and it is irrelevant to our discussion, just another attack I suppose. You said: Please make one more reply if you feel the need and let us stop the dialogue. My response: Let me know when you are done, or just stop responding, and I'll know you are done.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 You said: No where did we agree that on this point we are only talking about celestial battles. That may have been what was in your mind but we never made such an agreement. Are you saying that Israel's battles are not the Lord's battles? Israel never was formed based on any man's will but God's decree to glorify Himself so any battle they fought, for example the battle to capture Jerusalem, were the battles of the Lord. The Lord did not always join the battle but had delegated men to do it. My response: Yes, but God tells the Israelites that He will fight their battles. He doesn't send them out alone. He is with them. You said: The same applies to Michael leading angels into battle. My response: It does not apply because you have not shown where it applies. You present a Christ who sends others to battle for Him. This is not scriptural. You said: God is orderly and consistent so I did not change the topic. My response: You widened the focus of the conversation. In any case I have shown that God/Jesus do not send humans or angels out into battle alone. He is with them. You said: It is your logic that is not sound concerning the Voice of the Archangel and the Voice of Christ at the 2nd Coming. Are not all the special declarations by angels given them by the Lord, ultimately the Voice of the Lord? So there is no contradiction between the Voice of the Archangel waking the dead being called the Voice of the Lord, yet they are separate persons. You just do not seem to understand or agree with the delegation of powers which is done by the Lord. Ezekiel for example presents King David as the Messiah in the new Kingdom but the Messiah is Iyesus Kristos not David. That is one of many examples. The Lord is a priest after the order of Melchizedek yet He is the Lord of Melchizedek. Only those with the light of the Holy Spirit can comprehend these paradoxes. My response: That is because Jesus is from the line of David. David of course also being a priest after the order of Melchizedek, so there is a logic to the links. It's not some non biblical delegated authority argument that you are trying to use. You said: You say that the scriptures make the point that Michael=Jesus, but no one but one person in ancient history and the SDA and Jw's have deciphered what is so obvious in scripture, when the entire Bible is studied, according to you. That is not very convincing but sounds more like heresy. My response: You are obviously not aware of the many bible commentators who identify Jesus with Michael. The belief goes back to at least the 1600's, more than 200 years before the SDA movement. You said: I have accused you of going hard for what you say is a non-essential doctrine and maybe it is because I and others have accused your doctrine of blasphemy. The reason I accuse the doctrine of that is because it dangerously demotes Christ from being the God of Creation, for reasons I have already explained. My response: It does not, because I am not claiming that Michael is a created being. You said: It is not enough to say " the Bible is God's word. Let that be your guide". There are a few different canons and several different translations and hundreds of different interpretations. It does not clarify anything to take that advice. The Bible contains the essentials of salvation and has great guidance but it cannot explain itself. It is a collection of books and words in various human languages. Human languages change over time and cultures do as well. We also must have and depend of the Holy Spirit to explain it. We have to take into account the authority of the ancient tradition of the Church, which started before there was a New Testament or a consensus on the canon. The Tewahedo Ethiopian Orthodox Church for example has 81 books in its Bible including the book of First Enoch. My response: I'm sorry, it is tradition that skews the word of God and take man on his own course of understanding because the traditions are not rooted in God's word. You are correct that we need to depend on the the Holy Spirit. I would add prayer to that. But where tradition varies from the word of God, I want no part of that. You said: After you reply to this, let me know if you want to discuss the nature of the 2nd Coming because that is the crux of the differences between my understanding and that of the SDA. My response: No problem You said: Brother I can tell it would be a waste of time to continue discussing with you. Not only are you determinedly stuck to your presupposition but you do not comprehend my points. Based on my argument it matters not whether the Lord or Michael would "rail" against a being or not. My whole point was based on an understanding of "dare". If dare means what I am saying it means then it cannot apply to God. If you cannot see that the action of railing or not railing is not pertinent to my point it makes no sense to continue. My response: I already explained that you are applying it in human terms rather than in the context of the chapter. That is what you have ignored a few times now. You said: Thank you for finally responding to to my "dare" point since that was the overarching issue for my point that Michael is not God. Your delving into use of repent etc for God in the Bible can be and has been rationally explained, showing how His connection to the term is different from that of a human. God repenting is not changing His mind from sin, so it is different from the Bible's use of that term for humans. For example God resting in Genesis is not the same as a human who needs to rest because of our finite bodies. But use of dare is pretty straightforward. The Greek word is Etelmesen and that combined with the word "not" (ouk) in front of it clearly means " did not dare". You can ascribe that to the Lord God Almighty but I will refrain from the appearance of blasphemy. My response: You are rationalising repent, regret, relent when applied to God and acknowledge that it does not apply in the same way as it does a human. That is what I explained for 'dare' that it does not apply in the same way, and again you ignore it because of your presupposition. You said: Your argument that Jude was so focused on his contextual point that he would find it unnecessary to mention that Michael is the Lord is quite illogical to me. My response: Why? What relevance did it have to the message not to rail? Furthermore, you are supposing that Jude knows the identity of Michael and the people he was writing to don't know. You are assuming who has certain information and who doesn't. You said: It is similar to your doctrine that Sunday keeping in the Jacob's trouble is the Mark of the Beast 666 though the Bible nowhere confirms that. You have been convinced of that by arguments of dualistic correspondence and cherry picked verses and then you read it into the whole Bible. I pray that you find the Light one day soon. My response: I haven't made that point, and it is irrelevant to our discussion, just another attack I suppose. You said: Please make one more reply if you feel the need and let us stop the dialogue. My response: Let me know when you are done, or just stop responding, and I'll know you are done.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      @@pdub332 Asking you to stop the dialogue means that I am done. Be well.

  • @pdub332
    @pdub332 Před měsícem

    Greetings brother. I have been waiting 5 days for your reply on the Midnight Cry Media channel regarding Michael the Archangel. You made some points that I responded to, and asked some questions that I answered. I then raised some of my own points and asked you some questions. I am interested in your response. Hope to see you reply soon. Peace.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      Greetings bro. I have responded to your post on Midnight Cry asking for you to contact me by my email and I left my email address. It seems that Midnight Cry Media has banned my posts because this has never happened to me before. We can continue the discussion here if you like. Let me know if that is cool and I will post a reply here. Bless up.

    • @pdub332
      @pdub332 Před měsícem

      @@thenowchurch6419 It probably deleted the post because you put an email address in there. Not sure whether CZcams allows that. Happy for us to continue the discussion here.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      @@pdub332 I cannot agree that putting an email address is the reason. I do that quite often with no problems. I will respond when I have a little more time.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      @@pdub332 I apologize for the delay. I had a family gathering to attend and just got back. I will reply a bit later tonight. Thanks for your patience.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před měsícem

      @@pdub332 I will make a quick reply now. 1.The fact that Michael would not rail against even someone who is not a dignitary, does not affect my point. It in fact strengthens it because it shows a deference that is not becoming of the Lord Almighty. My point is based on the use of a conjugation of the word "dare" which indicates a fear of punishment and need for great caution. The Lord does not need to consider the consequences of daring since He always thinks and acts perfectly. 2. I do not know if you misunderstood my statement but you certainly stated that my point implied or directly meant that the Lord would "dare" steal or murder or break the decalogue. I never implied that because the term "dare" cannot apply to Him and He acts in total Love which fulfills the Law, at all times, which is His nature. To state that my position was making a case that Christ would speak evil and then ask a series of questions based on similar premises is to state that my point made those cases as well. 3. In making your case you consistently presuppose that Michael and Christ are one. That is contrary to a debate or discussion of a debated point. Our discussion is not just about whether the Bible has a clear statement on the issue but about the truth or falsity of the issue. To discuss that honestly one must put aside one's presuppositions and argue as if it has not been proven to be true as yet. 4. My brother in humanity, regardless of whether Jude was quoting an apocryphal text or not it would not make sense for him to omit that Michael is the Lord pre-incarnate unless it was a secret or a mystery. The whole Bible is about Christ so any opportunity to identify some thing that He said or did in the past would only be natural and logical. To omit it would be strange. 5. Two translations and an allowance in a King James translation are not "several". I made no mistake in researching that the Hebrew word used in Daniel was Ahad which does not stretch to mean First. Echad can mean First but was not used. 6. The identity of the Angel of the Lord and the Messenger of the Covenant are not essential to salvation. Know who Christ is, is essential so that point is moot. 7. With all due respect your view of using the whole Bible and finding verses that you interpret as revealing the hidden nature of such a "Bible Thing" is the exact method and argument used by Pre-Trib repture proponents. 8. Please read Psalms concerning the Divine Council. Those are the many Heavenly Princes. 9. An authority who protects something can delegate another being to do the hands on job and both are said to protect the thing or person BUT the authority is the real Protector. That is all that I mean. Of course to guard is the protect but that does not make the guard the ultimate Protector. 10. It is not for us to question the ways of the Lord. Obviously the Lord delegates others to fight wars in His name. Israel's forces did that many times. Sometimes the Lord would join the battle at others He would not. Again the same argument holds for the Voice of the Archangel. Christ can delegate an angel to have powers to raise the dead in His name. It does not make the Archangel the same person as the Lord. 11. The Bible only makes the case for Michael=Jesus in the perception of someone who wants to see that or already believes it. No writer of scripture ever stated it and it is certainly not a doctrine needed for salvation so I ask why go so hard for such an obscure and non-essential doctrine? I feel that you are genuine but I have been where you have been, having been a believer in SDA doctrine for many years in the past. I look forward to more positive discussions. Peace and blessings in Iyesus Kristos the Lord Almighty.

  • @noreason8818
    @noreason8818 Před měsícem

    He's both.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976
    @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před 2 měsíci

    In my extensive studies I think that we are Re-incarnated as different stages... maybe plant stage first then animal then hueman, then maybe demi god then buddha "god" ... if this is so how can one claim any one race superior to another, like Ital Iman says only "black" folks are "gods" and us white folks are lower creation of Him " annunaki" . I think he is delusional in his beLIEf ... ive read all books of the dead, Emerald Tablets of Thoth, Bhagavad Gita and many more, whats your thoughts?

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před 2 měsíci

      So technically we are probably Re-incarnated multiple lifetimes and the probability of being a different species, race and gender are extremely high.🙏🏼

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 2 měsíci

      I feel reincarnation is a tool the Most High uses but not in every case. As far as equality of "races", there is only one race of humans but we are divided by different lands and cultures. According to the Bible and Bhagavad Gita etc we are all children of the One. H.I.M. Emperor Haile Selassie 1 says no nation is inherently superior to any other. Marcus Mosiah Garvey also says all human groups have a equal place in the eyes of the Most High. The culture of the Euro peoples is barbaric and inhumane generally and must be changed or eradicated. As far as Ital Iman and his annunaki theory, I see it as delusional as well. He has been poisoned by elements of Nation of Islam propaganda and believes he is just trying to uplift black people to know their divinity.

  • @3sotericCompassionist1976
    @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před 2 měsíci

    The Evil Babylon Program must be left behind.... Its Tyme for SIRIUS "TRANCE" ending

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 2 měsíci

      Yes I. The end of the Babylon trance is upon us. Give nuff Thanks and Praises to the Most High Jah.

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před 2 měsíci

      @thenowchurch6419 May I n I ask your thoughts on St. Germain ?

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 2 měsíci

      @@3sotericCompassionist1976 St. Germain has had so many legends made about him it is hard to know what is true but as far as I believe his teachings are consistent with Hermetic "As Above, So Below" doctrine and those similar to Paracelsus and I agree with those, for the most part. What is your view?

    • @elizabethhann4028
      @elizabethhann4028 Před měsícem

      But what is a Sirius Trance? Won't you please tell me? I've never heard that phrase before.

    • @3sotericCompassionist1976
      @3sotericCompassionist1976 Před měsícem

      @elizabethhann4028 is was meant to be taken like " we are in serious trouble" if we don't wake up from our babalonian trance

  • @JayRasheed718
    @JayRasheed718 Před 3 měsíci

    He wasn’t left out of the movie..he was in that scene with the wailing wailers and coxone Dodd.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      You do know I mentioned that in the video and said it was way too insignificant?

    • @JayRasheed718
      @JayRasheed718 Před 3 měsíci

      @@thenowchurch6419 yeah i wrote this right before you said it. but im not trying to debate with any fans of his and i raspect my elders so you got it. just wanted to speak my peace because i keep seeing people say peter, bunny, and cindy werent in the movie but they clearly were even if it was just a scene or two.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      @@JayRasheed718 Their characters all had very minimal parts. I consider that disrespect in the context of a supposed biopic. Thanks for your comment.

    • @JayRasheed718
      @JayRasheed718 Před 3 měsíci

      @@thenowchurch6419 and thanks for your response. it is disrespectful I agree but it threw me off thinking they weren’t in it at all before I saw it. If you ask me I would say the real biopic should cover everything the documentary did. This movie was far too short compared to most biopics. But to cover all of that they would need a series on Netflix. That’s what they should’ve done but the writer only wanted to cover this period of his life…it’s not a real biopic, just a Bob Marley movie. I’m grateful that they made it at all bringing Jamaican culture to the big screen I just wish they would’ve went further in depth with his past like the days when he was with the wailers and they recorded with Perry. The early 70s is my favorite period of Bobs life and from the trailer I see they had a scene from that time. I’m just waiting for the blu ray with all the deleted scenes so I can see what was all cut.

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      @@JayRasheed718 Great points. Many Jamaicans say it is not true to their accent and culture, for example it is very rare that a Jamaican woman would box (punch) her man like the Rita character did to the Bob character, far less a Rastawoman to a Rastaman. Yes there should be a real biopic, perhaps a series.

  • @marclewis2813
    @marclewis2813 Před 3 měsíci

    Same reason, for "Bobs" dreads never growing in the movie or Rita having bulletproof dreads, or very bad lip syncing, or the many inaccurate accounts...the reason is, very bad directing! Would take a great producer to get a movie that could live up to even half the legacy of Bob!

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      Lets not leave out poor suggestions from the family.

  • @JAHMALCHRIS06
    @JAHMALCHRIS06 Před 3 měsíci

    ZIGGY IN CHARGE… MOVIE BIAS

  • @TheNaps9
    @TheNaps9 Před 3 měsíci

    facts,,,i would've loved to work with him instead of..another i dont care to mention

  • @newreast3904
    @newreast3904 Před 3 měsíci

    How Can Judge Dread Be Left Out Of Every Documentary About British Reggae?

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      Good question. I must look into it. I give thanks.

  • @TinyBubbleExtreme
    @TinyBubbleExtreme Před 3 měsíci

    facts

  • @tb22k
    @tb22k Před 3 měsíci

    Never heard of this guy born in 90s 😂

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks for watching. Sizzla performed with Scratch live in Jamaica in the 2 thousands, in the 90's the Beastie Boys collabed with him, Jay-Z and Ye sampled his "Chase the Devil". He produced tracks for superstars like Dennis Brown and Gregory Isaacs, and many many more artists. If you look up the creation of Reggae or of Dub you will see his name. Bless up.

    • @tb22k
      @tb22k Před 3 měsíci

      @@thenowchurch6419 ❤️❤️

  • @gregcooks9
    @gregcooks9 Před 3 měsíci

    One human chain 💪🏼

  • @PedroPeyolo
    @PedroPeyolo Před 3 měsíci

    Fya bun❣️

  • @daddyslaggy8606
    @daddyslaggy8606 Před 3 měsíci

    The clip of Lee Perry behaving like a mad man when the wailers where auditioning is pathetic just like the Cindy Breakspear standing like a call girl near the phone booth as Bob was talking to Rita .

  • @cots81
    @cots81 Před 3 měsíci

    See👁️A...Rita,Whitewell, Babylon 🪙

  • @gavinisrael6125
    @gavinisrael6125 Před 3 měsíci

    Nuh dat alone enuh, cau how come dem hav so much Marley and non a dem coulda play bob inna him movie..

    • @thenowchurch6419
      @thenowchurch6419 Před 3 měsíci

      True I. The whole project was a sellout to Babylon. I enjoyed the music in the theater but that was about it.

  • @bonauplod5168
    @bonauplod5168 Před 3 měsíci

    Lee Perry was a sellout rasta. He cheated the wailers by selling their records abroad without their knowledge. I think they intentionally blinded his side of the story