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I’m sorry you feel this way

Once you said that you were a clinical psychologist, I immediately understood your arrogance and your attitude towards this man's message. You people think you are so wonderful and believe that your "science" ends in emotional and psychological healing. Isn't it ironic that most of the secular counselors and psychologists I know have serious personal and family problems at a level that is actually much worse than that of the average Joe in the street? A close family friend of mine just committed suicide after years of intensive counseling under people just like you. No thanks to your profession and what most of you represent.

@@Sanddollar1 I definitely share some of your criticisms of my field. Nevertheless, this would be called an ad hominem attack, in that you are critiquing me and not my concerns/criticisms. You don't need a degree in social sciences or theology to observe the stylistic similarities between Despres and a speaker like Jim Jones or David Koresh. Any average Joe can observe the messages side by side and make the decision for themselves as to the presence of similarities. I'd strongly recommend to anyone interested in faith healers to look at Mark Galanter's book, Cults: Faith Healing and Coercion. It's fair and surprisingly even handed. Sanddollar1, I wish you luck in all of this and I am sorry for your loss.

@@ProfessorClay Your criticism, in my opinion, is coming from a place of hypocrisy, given the incredible ineptitude of your own profession. You criticism of Adrian is unfair because you have committed what is called the association fallacy, wherein you lump together different things and act as if they are the same. Adrian is not a cult member in any way, shape or form. His beliefs and teachings align with historically orthodox Christian views. Your argument utterly fails here. Additionally, a speaker's style is merely an artistic expression to present their ideas. To argue that someone is a cult teacher because of supposed "stylistic similarities" between them and someone else, is to commit yet another philosophical fallacy called the "strawman fallacy," with style being the strawman.

@@Sanddollar1 While I acknowledge the limitations of my profession, I don't think its fair to say that as a field, clinical sciences are inept. We don't help everybody, nor can we save every life. Same is true in medicine, but that doesn't make MDs inept. To really have that conversation, we would first we would have to establish a definition of healing, recovery, etc, and then establish a timeline that we would expect that healing to measurable by. How long does it take? How long should the healing last before more treatment is needed? These are basic questions in the research portion of my field: efficacy studies of therapy/medicine/institutionalization, etc. What is interesting is that what is well established in my field is that faith healing can in some cases be more efficacious than traditional Western medicine or psychotherapy. What doesn't support your argument or Despres message, however, is that other faith practices also can produce faith healing, and the efficacy of faith healing is strongly associated with the amount of charismatic culture a faith healer or group can generate. AA for example, is well known to be moderately effective in supporting with substance use concerns; roughly 30-40% of new initiates within the first year. It is considered a faith group with vaguely Judeo/Christian values, since it stemmed from the Oxoford group. However, a group like the Harikrishnas, which are much more charismatic have much much higher rates of efficacy in helping people to stop using drugs; much higher than AA and much much higher than a traditional church. The higher on the continuum of charisma, the higher the efficacy or greater the potential for change. The book I mentioned unpacks this clearly. In relation to the association fallacy, I understand your point, but that's not exactly applicable here. I asked others to take note of the stylistic similarities, not to prove Depres is a cult leader, but to draw attention that his rhetorical and oratory style is very similar to that of well established charismatic leaders. I don't think it can be agrued that they don't have similar styles; they do. My question is then, if Depres was preaching a gospel of truth, why would he need to rely on a charismatic delivery akin to establish charismatic/cult leaders? In relation to "historically orthodox", I trust you have someone in your church/faith community who has studied theology at a Christian seminary. I would encourage you to ask them in what ways Christian theology has changed over the decades and centuries, helping us arrive at this current moment is protestant and evangelical theology. This is a basic an well understood premise, even in conservative evangelical seminary programs. The more trusting answer to this question of changing theology, is that our current interpretation of scripture is the most scripturally accurate and that past denominations and sects were misguided. This is fallacy is known as presentism and is highly common across many religions and political parties, and yes, forms of medicine. Again, for serious christian theologians, even conservative theologians, the criticism of presentism is one that they serious grapple with and go to great lengths to hold themselves accountable to. The skeptical answer to why theology changes, is that the theology evolves to meet to the needs of the times, challenging the premise that here, now, we have a classic "orthodox" theology, rather then a constantly evolving, dialectical exchange between theology and society. This is the core idea of Hegel, a devout Christian, and perhaps the most respected Western philosopher by both theistic and non-theistic scholars. You raise an interesting question though; can someone who preaches from an established or widely excepted christian theological position still be a charismatic/cult leader, because of their stylistic presentation or their own personal motivations? It really is an interesting question. I trust any christian knows a preacher who is a bit of a cult of personality or runs their church for personal motivations. Does it detract from the message? I think so. Does it mean that Christianity is false? That wasn't my original point or claim, but I do think that it lessens the chances of the scripture being intrinsically true if it can be easily used for ulterior gains. I met Depres 2x, and remember that at the time, he was generally known, even by his peers and fellow clergy members, for being a bit of a cult of personality, and enjoying acolytes. I'd appreciate it if he chimed in here, as I trust he could attest that this was a somewhat common impression he gave off/something he was know for, at least during the 90s and 00s. Does that make him a cult leader? That's for each of us to decide. Does it make me doubt the validity of his intentions and limit the power of his message? For me, yes. In regards to the straw-man fallacy, that's not how a straw-man fallacious occurs or is set up. A quick wikipieda of the fallacy will hopefully clear that up. All in all, I appreciate the exchange. I am sorry if any of my tone comes across as arrogant, that is not my intent; it is hard to express humility when challenging someone's convictions, as it is rather arrogant endeavor regardless of which side of the argument you reside. I really do wish you both the best.

He changed my life. Obviously you need some changing in yours, so why dont you quit commenting useless things and pay attention to the video because u need it.

If that gibberish changed your life, you were living a shallow function to begin with. Hopefully you continue to evolve......if you even believe in evolution.

Emmi grace He changed mine and many of my friends as well. I believe God hides His messages until the right season.

Right. This was before he did that video.

TheTruthIsSweet what's your opinion about it ?

@juwan they messed up date stamp. How's that....

This shit was not staged. Ts happen in my city and I know some of the people who died as I have gon to this church multiple times

@@drip_jesus1559 too obvious moron you work to protect the official storyline. They didn't even get the time date stamp right at the church. And learn how to spell.

@@drip_jesus1559 where is your reply, Mr. GS-5 troll?