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Replacing the belt in a Citizen W1D slim 3.5" floppy drive
In this video I replace the belt in a Citizen W1D slim 3.5" floppy drive found in an external Toshiba drive bay.
The Citizen W1D was used in many late 90s and 2000's laptops, as well as other devices like sewing machines and music synthesizers.
The belts in these drives are almost guaranteed to have stretched and turning turning to goo, requiring replacement.
The belts are 69-71mm x 1mm. The only source I've found for belts marketed as W1D belts is this eBay auction:
www.ebay.com/itm/321645614652
Timecodes
00:00 - Intro and removing from caddy
01:08 - Examining the drive
01:25 - Removing the top cover
02:20 - Removing the main mechanism
02:52 - Removing the old belt
03:50 - Installing the new belt
05:39 - Cleaning the heads
05:50 - Installing the main mechanism
06:30 - Installing the door spring
06:45 - Testing with disk
07:11 - Installing the top cover
07:55 - Installing in the caddy
The Citizen W1D was used in many late 90s and 2000's laptops, as well as other devices like sewing machines and music synthesizers.
The belts in these drives are almost guaranteed to have stretched and turning turning to goo, requiring replacement.
The belts are 69-71mm x 1mm. The only source I've found for belts marketed as W1D belts is this eBay auction:
www.ebay.com/itm/321645614652
Timecodes
00:00 - Intro and removing from caddy
01:08 - Examining the drive
01:25 - Removing the top cover
02:20 - Removing the main mechanism
02:52 - Removing the old belt
03:50 - Installing the new belt
05:39 - Cleaning the heads
05:50 - Installing the main mechanism
06:30 - Installing the door spring
06:45 - Testing with disk
07:11 - Installing the top cover
07:55 - Installing in the caddy
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Do you know if the more modern USB floppy drives have a belt?
I do have a few non-name modern USB drives, I'd guess they're direct drive. They seem to work fine, but I tend to use an old sony vaio ufd5 usb drive, I feel like it's probably a higher quality unit
I do alot of Walkman restorations and yeah dam belts that have melted :(
Interesting the external Toshiba floppy drive for my Libretto is still working great. must be direct drive. Great video too :)
leave it to citizen to make a belt-drive 3.5in floppy drive guess this is the only way to make it that thin before slim BLDCs were invented
now this is something i can watch
Nice teardown as always. Interesting to know they used a 100 MHz DX4 with a lowered multiplicator of 3x to get 75 MHz to cope with heat. I have one in good shape too. The Utilities from the 50CT are running just fine. Mine came with a Toshiba upgraded 2 GB HDD with a Japanese Windows 95 copy, but it's not a factory installation.
Imagine they made a newer version with latest tech.. 5G, USB-C dock and charging and stuff. Gyros, accelerometers etc etc.... I think this thing would sell!
I want to buy a vaio sooo bad
Really nice video! Connecting that machine to the Internet could be cool :)
this image is going to save my day ^^ same situation: vaio u1 with an adapter for a 32gb Cf card (the official media isn't detecting any hard drives). thanks a lot!
Great, glad I could help - most of my videos I'm trying things people haven't really documented yet and wish I'd had myself beforehand
Sweet little system, so flexible in configuration. A bit chunkier, guess tthats the price you pay for modularity .
really nice modular machine, thanks for these videos!
the amount of contact cleaner you put on that thing scares me.
It all evaporates :) Want to make sure no vinegar left
No need to remove internal lithium battery. Lithium batteries doesn't leak
True, many of laptops I do have nicad/nimh batteries so I remove out of habit, but this is new enough to have a lithium cell, though it was dead. I'll probably try to replace some in the future, I keep the old ones, will help with some of the odd connectors.
@@jasonnovak2121 the battery in u is rechargeable. Try to leave the device on charge with the main battery inserted during the night, backup battery will recover. In all my u and ux devices it works well.
Well well, nice to meet you. liked the video. and yo got a new sub. keep up the good work
you can upgrade the motherboard
You said it is a 50 pin drive, but I only count 22 pins on the adapter. There will be another identical row, so wouldn't that be a 44 pin drive?
Yeah, a little confusing, they typically call these 1.8" adapters "CF to toshiba 50-Pin Adapters". You're right there are only 44 pins on the ribbon cable from the PC, if you check 24:14 you can see were 3 rows, ie 6 pins, aren't connected and row 1 starts on the 4th row. I'm guessing those other pins have some other special purpose generally not needed, so it mostly works like a 44 pin 2.5" drive
I'll definitely find this useful, as I've been wanting to resuscitate my own U100. It still boots up fine but it gets hot, CMOS can't hold time, and I don't trust the HDD to last much longer. I'm also looking to have a VGA out to HDMI adapter if possible, gonna look around for that on your channel (and if not, rest of YT and eventually Google/eBay)
Thanks, personally I just use a cheap little powered adapter, works well enough for me: www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08GZ159FJ/ To actually capture VGA the Epiphan AV.io HD seems to be the most recommended from what I've found, I'm keeping an eye out for one used, generally I like to record the laptop screen directly with a camera, but for anything more would want to capture directly.
The Toshiba Libretto L5 was released in 2002, not 2001.
Why couldn’t you have shown it running Window XP?
This was one of my earlier videos, I didn't off the OS initially. I may revisit some of these. I do Windows on the L1, though it's running Me instead of XP
Oh, I see
30:36 Rufus is compatible with Window XP.
Do you have an extra battery for this unit? Even non working battery. Im looking to buy. Let me know thanks
Sorry, no extra batteries. One of my W100s didn't come with one and it took me a long time to find one, basically had to get someone selling one with an extra battery to sell it separately. Kind of have to have one since it's part of the base. I was able to rebuilt the dead one I bought following another video: czcams.com/video/RuaPx7TeP-Y/video.html
Hey, do you know if you can enable DMA mode on the 110ct. I'm on Windows 98 se and can't find it under device manager or in the bios.
Yeah, the BIOS is pretty basic and no setting there, nothing in the hwsetup app either. I'm just using the stock windows hard drive controller drivers, your best chance is to get the official 110CT IDE drivers, I kind of recall some kind of optimized drivers are available
@jasonnovak2121 I'm using a cf card adapter. Would these drivers still work for it? Also, any idea where I can find these drivers?
@@spartanwarrior9755 I believe it should be fine on either a CF card or real HDD. The best place to check is archive.org, go to the software section and search for libretto 110ct (thought 100ct should work) and there a few recovery disks / driver sets
Hey Jason, I was able to successful get my PCMCIA Game port card working with my Toshiba Libretto 60CT too. MS Flight Sim 95, Decent, Red Baron, Fury 3, and Comanche all working great. :)
Awesome video! I bought one that won't turn on with or without the battery, any guess?
Thanks! A few suggestions, I assume no signs of life, fans, even a power led? Test the power supply itself for 16v, it could be bad or the plug end damaged to only work when the cord is at a specific angle. Test the jack on the laptop, I replace mine in this video since it was damaged and was very picky on how the adapter was plugged in. Next check the fuse on the board near the power supply, looking at the video it looks to be at timestamp 20:03, F1200 on the top edge / upper right corner right above the screw hole.
@@jasonnovak2121 power supply is working. No led at computer when power on pressed. I will check the power jack to see if it's receiving power and the fuse in next step. Have you Facebook, whatsapp or email?
@@G40rocket You can use contact under the channel details for my email
What is the difference between the 71P and the U50?
Mostly, the difference is the hardware, the U71P has a 1.1GHz Pentium M and 512MB of RAM while the U50 has a 900mhz Celeron and 256MB of RAM.
Nice work, I have 2 x Sony Vaio UX. One has 512MB and a 30GB hdd (Silver version) and the other is the black edition with 1GB ram and the original Samsung 30GB SSD both run great with Windows 7 starter.
I own 4))) 1 totally new U50, 1 almost new U71, second hand U50 and U70))) Great devices))
I own an American version, VGN-U750P. It's a great little device, favorite in my collection so far! Small correction: the pieces on 7:53 are not used for the dock, instead they are used for the wrist strap with a stylus.
Do you know how to access the + and = and minus keys ? It’s great the U101 supports my Logitech Attack 3 USB joystick Playing games like jet fighter 2 great
I think it depends on if have US or Japanese region, the buttons are overloaded with a lot of characters, but you should be able to access via shift or function combos. Probably doesn't make for the best in games with awkward combos. Some key are a bit confusing, like the \ for paths, the key works, but is a different character onscreen, still treats like a \ though.
@@jasonnovak2121 Yeah I worked it out finally
Thank you for posting this. I was given one but after taking it to pieces and removing the hard drive, and testing my patience by putting it back together it is still fairly dead apart from three LEDs on the left illuminating. I shall put in my cabinet of curiosities. ps I was hoping to run it with Puppy Linux from a CD rom or USB flash drive.
Does it seem like it's completely dead, no CPU fan or backlight? I wouldn't give up on it yet - I'd try at least unplugging and re-seating the wires and ribbon cables from the screen, since they're fairly easy to access, and the LCD cables or power button are my first thoughts. Did it work before tearing it down?
@@jasonnovak2121 It did not work before, I think there is CPU fan, no backlight. I would try it with an external monitor but I currently have no cable but really I only want it if the screen works. I shall try your suggestions again anyway. It came from a very local Ewaste so I shall put out feelers there for one that works. [You should see what they get given!] The very good laptop I am using now comes from there for only 30 Aussie dollars.
@@SubTroppo It's possible the inverter / backlight is bad, you can check by shining a flashlight at the screen at a few angles, though I'm not sure about finding a used inverter. I believe the video out is a mini vga jack, you can can adapters, I know apple used them in their iMacs, but I'm not sure everyone wired them the same so may not work. Otherwise I'd say start with fuses, there is one by the power supply, I can't quite tell but looks white component at 12:31 near the b4 marking, but I'd suspect it would have no life at all if that was blown.
@@jasonnovak2121 Thanks. I'll take a look. I watch Curiousmarc & Mend it Mark but I have no real electronics skills. I just do the obvious fault finding. The bloke from whom I got it has all the gear including for micro-soldering [he also has a mass spectrometer he used to maintain in his work] so he might be interested in the having a look. ps Too many devices anyway!
@@jasonnovak2121hi, ive got a u100 with the LCD and cables already ripped out, do you have the model number of the LCD? And what type of connector does it use? Im trying to search for a replacement/substitute LCD. If I can't find a 7.2 inch then I might be forced to find a 7.0 inch LCD.
Cool rare retro laptop
My U101 also gets stuck at the Welcome screen for XP and takes upto 5 min to then show the desktop and play the XP intro
Have you upgraded to a CF / SSD solution? 5 min is a bit slow even for vintage hardware, my first thought would be a spinning HDD that is failing. It sounds like it does boot, but in some cases it can get stuck with a dialog and you need to alt-tab to close it, like a date or swap file warning.
@@jasonnovak2121 mine has the CF card and adapter like yours
@@Raptor50aus assuming nothing is off with Windows itself, it's possibly the CF card, the raw read/write speed but also the random speeds / iops. I've tried some generic unbranded CF cards before that were noticeably slower. Otherwise possibly no swap file / filter driver is not industrial, but doubtful
@@jasonnovak2121 All good the date and time were incorrect It boost fast now
I found the driver online luckily
Any idea where I could find an XP driver for a PCMCIA joystick card?
Nice video, I have this same laptop with the SD card conversion. The battery still charges fine. :)
I thought you gonna put a real SSD inside, something like msata 2 IDE adapter instead of CF, but i guess this works fine as well.
Sure, 1.8" options are bit more limited, I've used a few can see covered here, czcams.com/video/wJ7kzYa8isY/video.html - but in general the IDE interface is also going to cap the performance of a SATA drive a lot. For 2.5" I usually go sata/msata
Palmtop
I have NO idea what my vaio is or how old it is
There should be a VGN-# or similar model number on the bottom sticker which should give more details if you google it
@@jasonnovak2121 cool thanks. I think it's 2012, but idk
@@LostShadowGD what's the model number?
@@jasonnovak2121 idk I'm on holiday, so can't check
then Sony OS looks like the OS found in there Older Smart DVD players and TV'S
Wow the prices of this model are crazy high. Nice laptop.
the fact that they made it like the ps3 menu is attention to detail
Just as i thought, can do basic tasks but useless for anything internet related.
it does have a power button i can see it .. id give it vista or windows home or pro
Sure, yes if you turn it on via the power button it will boot into Windows like a standard PC, the special button boots directly into "Instant On" mode instead. It was mean for the days of slower computers and drives where it could take a few minutes to fully boot into Windows, with "instant on" you could quickly get into a browser in about 10-15 seconds.
Yeah buddy, good to see you are still around. Hope your Spring is nice. Thanks for the vid
I finally was able to buy a PCMCIA joystick port card. :)
Very nice, what model did you end up getting? I know they're pretty rare now
Is 2 GB the absolute maximum memory for a P Series?
yes, pretty much. I believe the US models all came with 2GB, some Japanese models came with 1GB, but it's soldered onto the motherboard and not really upgradeable
@@jasonnovak2121 mine has 2 GB and SSD but it's slow probably due to Java heavy websites
@@phils7921 I'm guessing the CPU is probably hurting it too, it has an early gen single core low power Atom processor which wasn't too fast even at the time. A fairly wide range of speeds too from 1.3Ghz to 2Ghz
@@jasonnovak2121 hola, que window s, es que el funciona mejor en esta laptop?
@@cesarramirez9975 I would recommend Windows 7 over Vista for retrocomputing, if you need to do something modern then Windows 10 32-bit, but won't be ideal.
Just wondering if you have seen any serial port based joysticks or even parallel port type?
I think options are probably pretty limited, there is way to connect an SNES controller to a parallel port, but that's more for Windows, not sure if there are dos drivers. There is a PC card but I think it's pretty rare. Otherwise USB perhaps, the 100ct and newer one at least via the dock, or there are USB pc cards, but again maybe will have issues with DOS
I would love to get hold of a game joystick port PC card for my Toshiba Libretto 50CT. Plays 90's games great.
Nice teardown. I have one too. It was totally dead but I botch wired it back to life. Sadly its password locked and I dont have the replication port to perfom a reset, I think the usual parallel port dongle should work.
It's a shame to have one of these rare machines locked out due to a password. I checked my ss1000 again my other docks and they're all either flipped or don't line up. I could offset it to plug into the ct20 dock, but I suspect the pinout is probably different. I actually made one of those parallel dongles to unlock a tecra 550cdt. It looks like the last dock I saw up for sale was a year ago, it's the pa2725uj. If you ever end up a complete dead end email me via about and maybe can work something out