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@@edwardheussen8507 feet is about the same, there’s more room for my knees, but most of all the M9 is much roomier from the hips up to my shoulders

@@arnoldanderson1501 well, it all depends on the type of hills, how long, how steep, early into the ride or after warming up? I climb hills every time I go riding. I could ride in a different direction and have mostly flat terrain, but I prefer the hills because it is quieter, has more shade and better views. Probably your trike weighs as much as the M9 but has a much for flex in the drive train.

@@Klausi666 noch besser im Geradeauslauf als ein DF. Muss dran denken, bei einer solchen Route im M9 die Kamera dabei zu haben - ich habe sie normalerweise nicht dabei.

@@Klausi666 was soll mir dieser Kommentar sagen?

@@rhein228 mach mal 70-80-90 km/h

@@Klausi666 habe ich alles schon gemacht, M9 liegt wie ein Brett

@@rhein228 okay wo kann man es sehen welches video ?

@@Klausi666hier geht es hoch bis 99 km/h: czcams.com/video/BrxKYEyOw1M/video.htmlsi=CpEr1GRTG0QSMNIL

@@stefanpaneczko706 I have not as I am not tall enough at 183 cm. A9.2 is optimal for people taller than 190 cm. People like myself could ride it but are better served with the M9. A9 is longer and higher, overall with at the shoulders is about the same. I would sit too deep in an A9, and probably have a less optimal angle of the chain between chainwheel and idler. I should add that I have done a few thousand km in the company of a buddy in his A9 - I know that model as good as you could without riding one yourself.

I'm 195cm tall. Hope Alpha 9.2 will be big enough.Now to find the cash😢

@@SonnyDarvishzadeh as with road bikes, much depends on the rider. A strong rider will benefit more from the advantages a velomobile offers. Typically, a velomobile will be significantly faster on flat terrain but slower on the climbs. My cruising speed on flat ground is around 45 km/h, high effort is about 60 km/h. Strong people can go as fast as 80-90 km/h on the flats. Prices for new performance machines nowadays are in the 10-12k € range.

@@rhein228 Thank you for the info. Impressive numbers. Enjoy your rides! I might consider a velomobile after a couple of years, maybe an electric one that also could help with the climbs..

@@SonnyDarvishzadeh when you do you may regret to not having taken the steps earlier. I sure do. Regarding climbs, I wouldn’t worry. You will develop the zen of climbing when you ride a velomobile. Once you got that, mountains won’t be stopping you.

@@Bigboy4018 you bet. It’s velomobile paradise to have the people and the terrain

How wide is the w9s?

Was just thinking that, very fortunate they are

Die untere Sitzhalterung wird abhängig von der Position der Löcher für die oberen Bolzen festgelegt, ist dann nicht mehr variabel -- d.h. der Ditz passt nur in eine der Vertiefungen. Mit einem zweiten Lochpaar könnte man die Sitzneigung ändern und dann eine andere Position auf den unteren Leisten wählen, doch warum sollte man das tun wenn man die passende Position für den Fahrer bereits ermittelt hat? Schulterblätter: Ja, die liegen links und rechts des schmalen Endes, liegen sie auf oder stoßen an, ist der Sitz nicht bequem. Aus meiner Sicht funktioniert dieser Sitz nur mit Panzerlenkung. Ich fahre mit der dünnen Ventisit-Matte auch viele KM völlig schmerzfrei.

@@arno-s7060 the tube is widened at the end and pushed through the rear idler housing before both are placed in the M9. At least, this is the way I think it is done. So in theory, the tube can’t slide forward. Apparently, a chain that has come off the idler could then grab the tube end and rip it out under the forward movement of the power side chain under load.

It keeps the air away from your neck, throat and lower half of the face. Depending on outside temperatures that is quite useful. On the QV, on my various Quests, and initially on the DF I used these mini visors. In recent years I’ve done without, so the mini visor clearly isn’t a must but it offers some comfort.

That may be so. You’ll miss a very unique experience that’s very different from riding a „normal“ bicycle. Also, don’t compare that to e-assisted bikes. This does not have and does not need a motor.

Um yeah, there's a lot of ppl in the US that have these. They are starting to get popular here.

Go to the website of Rapha.

Thank you sir, looking forward to see more videos of your velomobiles.​@@rhein228

That’s correct, no flashing lights in Germany. I don’t feel less secure because of that, and I’m not sure flashers add security (may give the feeling of being more visible). Of course you can (and in my view should) run daytime running lights front and rear - advisable for anyone on a bike.

Why should I use cameras if a simple mirror works just as well? Less complexity, less dependency on battery supply seems better to me. The 9 series has mirrors on the inside of the cockpit rim, which is a great idea in my view when it works. And it does work for me, because my head is in the right position. It may not for taller or shorter people beyond the range of seat adjustment options. They would either need to opt for the A9 or the W9.

@@rhein228 better aerodynamics.

@@matthewbaynham6286 no wind resistance with internally mounted mirrors

Kein besonderes Kunststück, das lässt sich mit der kostenlosen Garmin VIRB Edit Software individuell gestalten. Ich bin da eher am minimalistischen Ende des Spektrums

@@rhein228 oh gut, wenn es bei Dir noch läuft, bei mir gehts nicht mehr. Danke trotzdem 😊

Good to hear tiller works well for you. I came to accept tank steering with the M9 precisely because of the room it has next to the steering arms. Now, I really appreciate this type of steering (though I still have my DFXL to ride with tiller steering).

I have not. I ride with Milan riders a lot (there is an SL in the video, too), but my own experience is 2 hours of riding the Bülk. So, I can’t really give a fair comparison.

Thanks for the question, Mark. If I could only give one answer I’d say track stability. I have never ridden a velomobile which is less affected by side winds or gusts. If I could give a second biggest advantage I’d say roominess. The M9 feels as roomy as a Quest and has at least as much storage capacity. If I could give 3 advantages it would be seating position with drive train efficiency. Beats every other model I have been in. I should add that I still ride my DFxl. Have had DF velomobiles since they came out, my first was #9. My current DF is my 3rd. Before I had been riding a fiber glass and 3 different carbon Quest for 10 years, and a Quattrovelo for 3 years.

@@rhein228 Okay, and could you state the overall speed difference between both models?

@@mavawa not easy to say, I climb faster, about 1-2 km/h (possibly for lack of equally low gearing), I find myself cruising at 50 km/h more often than I do in the DF. I don’t do exact measuring, don’t ride the exact same routes, keeping tracks of conditions and time, so I can’t give a substantial answer. In my experience the M9 defies the rule that smaller frontal area is faster, it seems the closed wheel arches and the overall design overcompensate the larger size.

@@rhein228 I understand, it's more an intuitive statement, but that's also valuable given your vast experience. My old Quest had better aerodynamics due to the closed wheel arches, but could not be driven as fast as my DF mainly due to lack of stiffness and its weight. M9 combines a lot of benefits, except for the large turning circle, so it seems to me.

Such is life in the company of velomobiles. Some day, you may want to try one out yourself.

@@rhein228 seems like a tt bike but better essentially. deff need to try at some point.

@@EstelonAgarwaen beats every tt bike on level ground

That is strange. The M9 at least has no sharp ends; I ride a lot on less optimal roads and never suffer any bruises on my shoulders. Unlike the DFxl I also don't use should pads; the different steering makes for a different body position, which combined to the seat takes away the need to lean against a pad. You may not have had it set up right for you. Of course you are free to disagree with my judgement, but I probably have done over 100.000 km with the standard type cockpit rim, and now about 12.000 km with the rounded one -- so I trust my body to give me a proper feed back on comfort.

@@rhein228 perhaps my shoulders are shaped differently from yours. I used a thick seat pad to put me in the proper position since Daniel didn’t have time to install the proper seat for me when I was there.

You should not touch the rounded rims when riding. If you do you may sit far too high (you would also notice that the mirrors are misaligned which you may have mentioned when I remember, that would prove this point). The rims are mostly relevant in case of an accicent/rollover. I don't touch mine at all when riding.

@@ChristianWSG not all roads are smooth. When you hit a bump, you hit the rim.

​@@mnveloguy Actually I don't hit the rim even on very bad roads. Maybe you are just too high. The only time I hit the rim was when I asked a friend to roll me over on a lawn just to see how it feels when you do. I just stayed in the seat because the seat is nicely fixed and the rim works like a seatbelt, my head was never even near the ground and then I got out myself.

I’ve owned both a W9 (smaller version of M9) and Bülk. The seat system of the Bülk and the longer opening are very nice to have. The only potential disadvantage is that the Bülk is a bit narrower, 5cm less than M9 at the shoulders, and 4cm less between the front wheel wells. For most people this is no problem, but there are a few people who do not like the tighter space. The new Bülk Urban is another nice option. At higher speeds it is not quite as efficient as the regular Bülk, but most of us do not ride at those speeds. The Urban has the same space between the front wheel wells as the M9. All of these options handle extremely well in wind and at higher speeds. All are very stiff. The Bülk MK1 is the fastest of the options, but the difference is not huge. Most important is to choose the model that suits you best. Since you wish to let your wife try it, then the Bülk mk1 or Urban would likely be the best choice for you.

I have spent only about 2 hours riding the Bülk, not enough for a fair judgement. My thighs were rubbing on the wheel houses, that was a major downside for me. Actually, I prefer the seat position and mount on the M9 -- it is the stiffest seat in any Velomobile I have ridden over the past 15 years. Adjusting the seat may be easier in the Bülk, but it is also less firm -- my two buddies riding Bülks are not enthusiastic about the seat and the seat mount. Stepping in isn't among the negatives for the Bülk -- try to get into an Alpha 7, a DF, or a Snoek L, and you will like the fairly large manhole of the 9-series. I'm not selling velomobiles, thus I do not have any commercial interests in promoting a specific model.

@@rhein228 if your friends have early Bülks, I believe the seat has been stiffened at a critical point since then. My seat is just as solid as the one in the W9 I had.

@@rhein228 That's why I asked you in the first place. And thank you for the reply. I was a salesman myself. Never ask salesmen for a recommendation, that's what I learned. I guess I have to reconsider one or two Things. If the riding experience and luggage space are so much better at the cost of entering and being versatile for everybody, then I will have to ask myself which one of these aspects is more about the whole point of a velomobile.

@@mnveloguyDu hast einen Kastrierten Sitz. Falsch eingebaut worden von ihrem Händler. Händler sind aber auch Sie. Ihr W9 ist Prototypenstatus und hätte so nicht verkauft werden dürfen. Ein Neuer Velomobiltyp muss immer zwingend zuerst zu mir (Das ist vertraglich so). Danach wird das SerienVm daran überarbeitet. Sie sind extrem geschäftsschädigend für uns, versuchen andere Velomobile besser das stehen zu lassen. Sie haben aber kein Serien Vm. Berghoch sind aktuelle Alpha9 Berghoch deutlich überlegen. Beim Wind ist das M9 jedem anderen Vm Haushoch überlegen. In einem W9 am runden Rand anzustoßen sollte unmöglich sein bis man sich überschlägt. Der Rand vom W9 ist höher dem M9. Beim W9s nochmals 1,5cm höher. Wer hier Probleme hat sollte mit seinem Händler ernsthaft reden. Keine Angst ich werde auf den Ben den Denunziant nicht weiter eingehen Ein M9 mit Überdacht ist ganz klar so schnell wie ein Bülk. Beide VM gehören nicht zu der schnellsten Klasse.

Daniel shot the video you refer to on the margins of a 3-week-tour of Italy I organized in 2022. I had plenty of time to see the M9 in action, which prompted me to do another and longer test ride in an M9 some time after the tour, because my initial test ride had been underwhelming. This time, however, the M9 spoke to me and I ordered mine. In the M9 the rider's head has to be at a certain level, to have a good view through the rear view mirrors (which are mounted on the inside of the forward rim) and to see over the hood. You lose 1-2 meters compared to my DF but I don't find it to be an issue. Seat position is about the same compared to the DFxl which I still ride. Tires are 28-406 Schwalbe One with tubes, rear is a 28-584 Continental 5000 with tube.

The M9 clearly has more space for luggage and it is the roomier one for a rider on tour. Even with the tank steering it has much more space left and right behind the wheel arches - precious real estate for food and drinks. I do miss the shelf behind my right shoulder which the DF has.

Thank you 👍

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Volvo stahlblau metallic ob, weiß unten. Qualität: so ein Video sollte man immer mit höchster Auflösung ansehen, 2160p. Sonst recht pixelig. Ist 4K auf die gesamte Bildfläche von 360° bezogen, das heißt ein „normaler“ Bildausschnitt hat bestenfalls 720p.

hinten bei Dir muss das gewesen sein -- so sieht es jedenfalls aus wenn ich bei 1:47 zurückschaue, als der Autofahrer euch überholt hatte hätte er die drei RR-Fahrer bei 2:15 wohl auch geschnitten, wenn die die Spur nicht zugemacht hätten

Danke für den Dank! Ja, heute war ich wenigstens für ein Stück mit der Mittwochsgang unterwegs. Film folgt, wenn die Kamera mitgemacht hat …

Many thanks, that’s the first video since last November, so it has been a while indeed. The VM in the video is a M9. I also ride a DF XL. The M9 has much more room, a very different machine compared to the DF, but faster despite its size. My best wishes for the completion of you own design. That is hard work. Japan seems to be ed en behind Korea, in terms of velomobiles. At one point I was considering to organize a velomobile group tour in Japan, but the logistics were too complex. Mainly shipping out and back.

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That might be an option. I have doubts, though; it may not hold on bumps or rough surface (such as cobble stone). In the meantime I have glued the same mount on the hump that I used on my previous velomobiles. Works well; see my newer videos on this channel.

It is a bit harder to climb in a velomobile compared to the trike. On the other hand, the weight penalty is not that big if you think in terms of system weight. If a trike is at 15 kg and a velomobile at 25, that sounds like a lot, but the stiffness of the drive train compared to the trike will compensate for some of that difference. I find myself climbing at about the same speed on my and trike and my velomobiles.

Here’s some evidence on hill climbing by velomobile: czcams.com/video/TeObUbXsHXg/video.htmlsi=35ueyN16dlYnwiAf

Do some extensive test riding. The other way to go is buy a used one to see how you like velomobiling and its various aspects. Then you will know better what you want. Not trivial because you don’t know yet what you don’t know about riding a velomobile.