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One God, many paths?
Michael Ramsden: Aren't all religions essentially the same?
This lecture was presented at the University of Pretoria in August 2014 and was hosted by Dialoog and Antwoord ministries.
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McKaiser/Lennox debate PART3
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Morality discussion at WITS with Eusebius McKaiser and John Lennox, hosted by DIALOOG, ANTWOORD and RZIM. Held 18 September 2014.
McKaiser/Lennox debate PART2
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Morality discussion at WITS with Eusebius McKaiser and John Lennox, hosted by DIALOOG, ANTWOORD and RZIM. Held 18 September 2014.
McKaiser/Lennox debate PART1
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Morality discussion at WITS with Eusebius McKaiser and John Lennox, hosted by DIALOOG, ANTWOORD and RZIM. Held 18 September 2014.

Komentáře

  • @maureenmuggleton5145
    @maureenmuggleton5145 Před 5 měsíci

    👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @yewtree2552
    @yewtree2552 Před rokem

    It’s a fascinating debate, and I admire both men have held their ground firmly. Yet, for me, Dr. Lennox’s argument was more convincing and carried out in a better (for lack of better words:) manner. Mr mcKaiser, on the other hand, seems to be highly intelligent and knowledgeable. However, speaking loudly and quickly doesn’t always make for a convincing argument.

    • @yewtree2552
      @yewtree2552 Před rokem

      Oh dear! Just did a bit of googling on who Eusebius McKaiser was, and discovered that Mr. McKaiser had tragically passed away recently! My condolences to his family, friends and fans!

  • @gerriebouwer6129
    @gerriebouwer6129 Před rokem

    Gone too soon, gonna miss this beautiful mind.

  • @TechAdmin-ym8sz
    @TechAdmin-ym8sz Před rokem

    Eusebius found out if he was right or wrong

    • @sphumelelesijadu
      @sphumelelesijadu Před měsícem

      Hectic 😬 Technically, he cannot find out if he's right because he wouldn't exist anymore. Also,,, he made no positive claim so even if God does exist he isn't wrong. For example: If there is not enough evidence that the butler killed the Lady, it doesn't mean he didn't do it. If it turns out he did it, it doesn't make the ones who accused him 'right'. They had no justification to believe that. So even if God exists, Mckaiser isn't 'wrong' because there was no good reason to believe God existed in the first place.

  • @meta4282
    @meta4282 Před rokem

    John Lennox is a very intelligent and patient man. Ironic that Eusebius now knows more about God than John....

    • @josephthabomaluleke
      @josephthabomaluleke Před rokem

      Lol, you first have to demonstrate that a god exists for Eusebius to know him. You see the problem when you reason with blind faith?

  • @berniezhang8678
    @berniezhang8678 Před rokem

    Eusebius is quite full of himself. Race-baiter-in-chief. "Don't be a selfish git - get vaccinated!" - famous last words.

  • @mitwankhoma6614
    @mitwankhoma6614 Před rokem

    Mckaiser is doing an honest & magnificent job

  • @winstonpetersen3110

    John Lennox is a master

  • @kevingolden4683
    @kevingolden4683 Před 2 lety

    And to be crust, cowards can't believe in God.

  • @kevingolden4683
    @kevingolden4683 Před 2 lety

    Thank you Eusebius for proving the bible right that you and people like you can't believe in Him. That's a good enough evidence for me. Not for you. Also, Peter Hitchens said it well. It's convenient for athiest to not believe in God because you'd have to go through the kind BURDEN that John has to go through, and that it's easier to have a sinful life than to face the burden. Science is your god.

  • @quencygardner
    @quencygardner Před 2 lety

    The moderator tends to favor McKaiser and is not allowing a valid debate, point to point responses. Not good.

  • @moshibitsaneoliver2173

    I'm Christian and a great fan of John Lennox but I must say that I admire Eusebius. He is a good debater.

  • @danstenmou9913
    @danstenmou9913 Před 3 lety

    Just watched the first part and realised that it's all one sided debate. Dr. Lennox explains his views and believe in a very articulated manner with views of other scientist and history. McKaiser just talks about his own views with no supporting views of other well known people to support his beliefs. His arguements are shallow and no historical basis. The so called master debater just cannot measure up to Dr Lennox.

  • @blakewilliams2595
    @blakewilliams2595 Před 3 lety

    Lennox talks to McKasier, and McKasier talks to the crowd. Seems a bit self-exaltatious

  • @tenor001grande8
    @tenor001grande8 Před 4 lety

    Christianity- The belief that God sacrificed God to God to save God's creation from God.

  • @tenor001grande8
    @tenor001grande8 Před 4 lety

    Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. And those who claim, have the burden of proof.

  • @cheff007inthekitchen7

    All these profesers and philosophers talk about no hard evidence but could mankind recognise it.

  • @fazelhendricks6845
    @fazelhendricks6845 Před 5 lety

    John you'v e done it again.May the God of The Universe Bless Your mind ABUNDANTLY.

  • @abelphilosophy4835
    @abelphilosophy4835 Před 5 lety

    Atheism is nothing, atheists are unreal . Conclusion, atheists do not exist, ‘cause out of nothing, nothing comes

  • @soldieroftheking3096
    @soldieroftheking3096 Před 5 lety

    I just loved this exchange. I feel Professor Lennox gave much more explanation and Mr McKaiser just made irritated at Christianity statements and at 1 or 2 points he debated against claims in which he himself stated Professor Lennox did not believe....which I feel is a waste of words when the one in whom you are opposing is the one in which you should aim your statements at and not towards strawmen

  • @sreno66
    @sreno66 Před 5 lety

    Need a part 3 when they realise the earth is flat and not a spinning ball flying through a vacuum.

    • @ianmcelmurry2882
      @ianmcelmurry2882 Před 2 lety

      I mean I feel like that's a given, no one really needs to debate on something everyone already knows.

  • @smokymole2487
    @smokymole2487 Před 5 lety

    What would qualify as evidence for the existence of God to Eusibius?

    • @letitiaisaacs2236
      @letitiaisaacs2236 Před 5 lety

      Nearly nothing...I love Eusibius but he seems adamant that he will not question or change his stance on the existence of God.

    • @TechAdmin-ym8sz
      @TechAdmin-ym8sz Před rokem

      Well he either found out if he was right or wrong

  • @josh_d_w____
    @josh_d_w____ Před 5 lety

    That atheist is absolutely incoherent!

    • @sandisileqomoyi8744
      @sandisileqomoyi8744 Před 4 lety

      What about the 67% of individuals in the world who don't relate with your conception of a christian monotheistic deity who is based in 3 entities?

    • @josh_d_w____
      @josh_d_w____ Před 4 lety

      Sandisile Qomoyi what about those who want to believe truth? What is the really real / what is ultimate reality? Atoms and the void?

  • @tenor001grande8
    @tenor001grande8 Před 5 lety

    McKaiser's superior logic clearly prevailed here. He makes logical points, if you listen carefully. Faith and miracles are indeed subjective truths, you can't realistically and physically prove that they're true. Give me the hard truth rather than a reassuring fable, at anytime!

  • @tomasfay139
    @tomasfay139 Před 5 lety

    Thank God for John Lennox and men like him

  • @normanndaba8823
    @normanndaba8823 Před 5 lety

    So Eusebius is an Agnostic alà Neil deGrasse Tyson ...Dawkins is an Atheist ..very evidentiary based convictions rather than philosophical arguments ..so please get Dawkins here ..pronto.

  • @normanndaba8823
    @normanndaba8823 Před 5 lety

    I am terribly sad that I missed this profound event but yet awe struck by the protagonists!

  • @troymason4799
    @troymason4799 Před 5 lety

    I can’t believe God and a bottle of water are being used in the same sentence and in comparison with eachother.

  • @banliangchow1935
    @banliangchow1935 Před 5 lety

    Said a philosopher to a road sweeper, I pity you, yours is a hard and dirty task, thank you kind sir said the road sweeper, may I ask what’s your task. The philosopher smile and said I study men’s mind and their desires. The road sweeper turn away and smile I pity you too.

  • @esmevandermewe6106
    @esmevandermewe6106 Před 6 lety

    In Jesus presence his love and compassion will be so overwhelming you will surrender.

  • @Lochlanist
    @Lochlanist Před 6 lety

    The hard thing about this debate is that the Christian is arguing from the assumption that God is real and that all the subsequent consequences of there being a God. While the atheist is arguing from the point of there being no God. It's like transport experts arguing about transport methods in society while one believes and understands how cars work and the consequences of having a world with cars and the other talks from a point of a world without cars. The argument therefore forces the rational of the atheist to fall into a argument where God rational is a norm. It doesn't work then

  • @Lochlanist
    @Lochlanist Před 6 lety

    The argument Eusiebius makes about turning water into wine. I would understand the notion, if we pretend there is a God, that the being who created everything into this order known basically to man as science. That being would be able to manipulate it and make it behave outside the norm of that order, aka water wine. But if that the stance a scientist take believing that God is every where at all times can they stay true to the scientific order because then technically since God is everywhere always then can't strange things happening just be explained as Devine intervention. then can we trust the scientific norm if we know that it can be broken and strange phenomenon outside the scientific explanation can happen at any time.

  • @getmrmemed7312
    @getmrmemed7312 Před 6 lety

    McKaiser's claim is that you do NOT need God to explain what is "independently" wrong. However, McKaiser argues with his moral conscience, benefiting from the moral conscience that God has given him. You don't need to acknowledge a singer for their song, but you still get to "independently" enjoy their music.

  • @candicegerber9641
    @candicegerber9641 Před 6 lety

    I find it interesting that McKaiser mentioned his Mom in regard that she was a Believer in God and therefore expressed hope, even more then that, a confident assertion that she IS in Heaven. Well, if he believes in eternity as is assumed by the fact of this comment; why wouldn’t he want to be, forever, with his mother? As an agnostic, he seems to have confidence on knowing, through this comment, that there is a WAY in which one can go to heaven. Is his belief that his Mom is in heaven enough to convince him that his comment is closer to Lennox’s position? I don’t mean to belabor my observation, but if he truly admired, loves and is grateful to his Mom for not aborting him and then consequently discovers he has the gift of a brilliant mind, why wouldn’t he want to eternally be close to her in Heaven - to have access to her in order to express his love and thankfulness toward her? Doesn’t he think that she would want this for both their sakes?

  • @kjustkses
    @kjustkses Před 6 lety

    Without God there is no right or wrong and no ultimate justice. In nature there is nothing wrong with rape. Dolphins gang rape. In a naturalistic view, rape is just particles acting on other particles and from a Darwinian perspective it would be a matter of ensuring the continuation of your genes.

  • @kjustkses
    @kjustkses Před 6 lety

    It is easy to make an atheistic case. Much easier than a theistic case. But the atheistic argument cannot argue that the theist finds himself in a world consistent with one he would expect to be in according to biblical accounts. How did such an ancient account get it so right? The atheist can only say where is God, I don't see Him. That lacks philosophical intelligence.

    • @kjustkses
      @kjustkses Před 6 lety

      Lochlanist Is the boogeyman consistent with a worldview? Nope. Point of low philosophical intelligence well reiterated.

    • @carolmuncaster5269
      @carolmuncaster5269 Před rokem

      @@Lochlanist😊

  • @kjustkses
    @kjustkses Před 6 lety

    I wish Gareth would have a session with Uncle John. Another smug South African atheist.

  • @andreybooysen7744
    @andreybooysen7744 Před 6 lety

    Kudos to Eusebius for accepting the challenge to debate with a giant like Prof John Lennox, however, if Prof Lennox is a gold standard than there is still a massive journey for Eusebius to travel to even effectively debate Lennox. Looking and responding in a angry fashion does not assist to make your argument more superior.

  • @hazevilleflowers5477
    @hazevilleflowers5477 Před 6 lety

    Hi Frank..people won't believe what they don't want to believe..and, human by nature would choose what's convenient for them..it could be said to both sides but, the burden of proof in Christianity cannot so easily be dismissed...scientists create words too, why would you believe them?

  • @hazevilleflowers5477
    @hazevilleflowers5477 Před 6 lety

    It needs a lot of prayer for this man, McKaiser to open his mind and heart ❤️..

  • @hazevilleflowers5477
    @hazevilleflowers5477 Před 6 lety

    McKaiser obviously has his anger brewing ...

    • @pizzaguymcpants6756
      @pizzaguymcpants6756 Před rokem

      Just like 🔥obama Skillful and prideful PROVERBS 16:17,18 🇺🇸

  • @hazevilleflowers5477
    @hazevilleflowers5477 Před 6 lety

    What science can explain, the Bible can..

  • @hazevilleflowers5477
    @hazevilleflowers5477 Před 6 lety

    The answers are all in the Bible..but, how can you believe what's there when in the first place , you rejected already the sovereignty of the Bible as the word of God🙏🏻

    • @frankwhelan1715
      @frankwhelan1715 Před 6 lety

      The Bible is just words, and paper never refused print Also an all knowing god would never trust (unknown) humans to pass his words on by word of mouth and even worse, long after the events, , a terrible way for a god to to pass on an 'important' message,(knowing how even a few words can change the meaning of something,)how could it be trusted?the evidence is that millions, (in increasing numbers) find these tales impossible to believe.

    • @lvygrace
      @lvygrace Před 5 lety

      How then if not by words would all the history be safe? There are hundreds of archaeolical findings coming up that are evidence for destroyed cities etc. only found in the Old Testament. Up to this point in time the historien did‘nt believe they exist. Now the bible is an autorized historical recource because it has been ascertained by God that the content would not be changed over the centuries. And i mean word by word. There are transcripts from 250 BC to 50 AD that are identical in content with the parts in the todays bible. There are no other historic recources that have just half of the amount of manuscrips. Still the world believes in an Alexander the Great of whom we have the earliest biography written 400 years after his death.

  • @Navis9179
    @Navis9179 Před 7 lety

    Can you look directly at the sun's light E? Yes you can, when it reflects of the moon. The sun's light actually gives light during night time. It brings light to darkness, understanding to ignorance. You are in darkness until you see the light, hence the light bulb in cartoons! But looking at the sun is impossible without hurting your eyes, too much knowledge there. Rather look at the soft light of the moon, it explains the bright light. It was night, and it was day the first day, in other words, from no knowledge to a little bit of knowledge, the first day. Learning always starts from darkness{not a clue} to light{ understanding} But the way into the truth about spirituality is very narrow, as wide as my mouth. And a child can understand it. No big practiced words and rhetoric. Throw away all books and degrees and look at nature and learn a new language. Die appel val nie ver van die boom af nie. Stille waters diepe grond. The whole truth about worship{not the exact right word I want to use!!??} is written in nature. Luckily intellectuals battle with this simple language. But children understand it quickly. The language of love, peace, hope, trust. And these characteristics are our God, Maker, Savior, whatever you want to call the Power of these characteristics. Something bigger than just one person, a collective of positive characteristics. Not a single being somewhere far away, but already present inside the heavens{minds} of the human race. Live out these characteristics and then we call that the deed begotten son of love hope trust etc...And this "son" doesn't discriminate, point fingers, debate, but just brings hope, and the nice thing about this "son" is.....anyone is capable of practicing it. And it's something you CAN believe in?!

  • @frankwhelan1715
    @frankwhelan1715 Před 7 lety

    I prefer no "justice "or perhaps just obvilion,to Johns Christian justice ,everlasting torture,for ANY crime,how can these christians be happy in heaven knowing people are being tourtued for eternity .

  • @garyjames9445
    @garyjames9445 Před 7 lety

    Very nice and lively discussion between the two.

  • @g4osia42ASH
    @g4osia42ASH Před 7 lety

    watched all three parts and mckaisers constant and I mean constant spitting out the phrase "the Christian god" in most of his sentences as if it was a derogatory term grrrrrr.........rude and arrogant ........john lennox is always a gentleman and polite

    • @maromomaredi2031
      @maromomaredi2031 Před 7 lety

      we examine the content of the argument. not the way the argument is presented. Lennox lost. done.

  • @g4osia42ASH
    @g4osia42ASH Před 7 lety

    With no great surprise another atheist offering noooooo prove of their own belief system but sits there trying to pull apart Mr Lennoxs beliefs instead .........Mr Lennox is a brilliant speaker

    • @maromomaredi2031
      @maromomaredi2031 Před 7 lety

      gary ashdown Atheists don't have to prove anything. Zilch. Nada. You know why? because the burden of proof (say it with me) lies on those who assert that there is a God. Read up on Russell's teapot. Thank me later.

    • @kjustkses
      @kjustkses Před 6 lety

      Maromo Maredi I don't agree. It is a widely time wasting assumption. It is not a trivial scientific matter. The Christian has nothing to lose nor gain. Read up on Pascal. Why should it matter to us?

  • @FuzzLyricz
    @FuzzLyricz Před 7 lety

    What a gorgeous moment in recent history, this supremely significant conversation articulated with such insight, charm and urgency by these fascinating people.