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Thanks @jstrohs1 I really appreciate it! ☺️

Yo I just bought the Mapex Armory too recently & I noticed the left pedal does that. What type of spring tension do you do on these pedals?

Just do yourself a favor and stick with the Iron Cobras or other Tama pedals. Just played this Mapex pedal and absolutely nothing stands out about it that the Tama pedals don’t already do.

That's true actually, has been really handy at times! Although it's worth noting that when using a tripod (depending on the model obviously) the tripod itself can make quite a bit of noise when you hit the pad. Not a huge issue but a noticable step up sometimes from the quiet pad

Any advice?

Speed Cobras all the way. Tama in general just makes better, way more durable products

@@ericmsandoval thx 🙏

I'm not quite sure to be honest with you. The best answer I can give is that it is long enough for my Roland TD-17 KVX kit and I've used it on real acoustic kits where the snare shell means you generally have to have your legs wider than on an electric kit. In all those scenarios I've found it to be long enough but just to be sure I'll measure the maximum distance between the pedals when I get back to the kit after christmas for you :)

I think the most important thing about a pedal to someone is subjective and circumstantial. I tried to cover what I thought were the main points that were important to me in case others shared similar questions before considering buying the pedals shown. Something like "Do the lock knuts loosen over time on their own?" was more important to me than "how many times do the beaters bounce back and forth under removed load?". If you like though, then I can go and test how many times it bounces back and forth for you with different spring tensions (and post the results here)? I'm just a guy who plays drums and tried to make a helpful video :/

Hi A. Lugo, not meaning to provoke negative feelings or anything but any chance you could list some of the problems with adjustment you've been having... Just because if anyone wants to read the comments it might be helpful for them if they're considering getting these pedals in the future :)

Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! :)

Hahahaha! I have no idea why that happened xD Did I dislocate my thumb for a second

Unfortunately the slave pedal only has a connecting point (to the rod) on the right side, and the foot pedal only has a connection point to the rod on the left side so it couldn't be used in a reversed manner. A quick look at the Mapex website shows that they don't do the Armory in left-footed, but they do for the Falcon. I hope that helps :)

Yes

As @Garrett Anderson says, it can be mounted to a snare drum stand. Remo designed it to be mountable to a cymbal stand mainly I believe.. but anyway :)

@StarWarsMeerkat well said

Thanks for the advice! I have given this a try, unfortunately upon re-attaching the rod, the torque introduced by the weight of the slave pedal chain mechanism then pulls the beater into a new position...I suspect with enough practice and time you could find the ideal pre-adjustment but either way this is a minor point and hasn't affected the playability over the years I've found :)

This.

This! Everyone compares these to the 910 Speedcobras but for some reason no one has tried to compare them the 310s despite being in the same price range.

I haven't I'm afraid, I only put up this review with limited experience of other pedals so take my comments with a pinch of salt..chances are if you're asking about PDP pedals (which I haven't heard of) then you probably know more about this than I do :D Thanks for the comment!

Yeah

@@Bendeguz03 Thanks Bobert. Why does everyone keep telling me no? read response I got from reverb below: Unfortunately this pedal is not designed to split in to two single pedals. There are very few that are set up to do that. Some may advertise that it is capable but that requires completely disassembling the pedals, breaking factory seals then reassembling which generally leaves the pedal feeling not as smooth and responsive afterwards and is easier said than done. There is a few higher end pedals I believe that already have the parts in place with out having to do all that work but they generally come with a hefty price tag. Hope this info helps! Jeff Ryder's Drum Shop Jan 09, 2020 08:19 AM

I don't play above 160bpm currently so I'm afraid I don't know the answer :( They're pretty solid pedals though, as an educated guess I would say they may wear out quicker than the top quality (and more expensive) alternatives at those speeds for long periods of time. However, the fact that these pedals use double chains as opposed to single chains or belts means they should take a considerable beating before they decide to break. Sorry I couldn't offer more insight into speed metal playing.

@@StarWarsMeerkat--James haha thats alright man i guess im just gonna have to get these pedals and find out myself

Hey buddy if u want you can play 180 too nearly 220 16th note rolls on the cheapest double pedals “like Dixon” I’ve witnessed people do it. I personally have this pedal and can do 200 bpm 16th note roll with these for like a minute straight. The super super high speeds like 220 plus come from long board pedals.

I've never actually used the speed cobras but, from a quick search, the specs look similar to the armory pedals.. except that the cobras are a much much higher quality variant. The cobras are in the top tier price bracket (double the price I payed for the armory pedals) which makes me think they're more on a level between the thePearl Eliminator and Pearl demon drive pedals. I've used single pedal Eliminators before and they're by far the most solid, controllable, pedals I've come across so I can only imagine the Cobras are top quality pedals too. With that in mind I'd find it difficult to say the Cobras aren't worth getting unless money is your main issue. If you're a beginner double bass player I'd say the armory level pedals are better but if you're used to playing and want an upgrade to professional standard pedals the Cobras can only be a great choice! ...or if money isn't a concern then go for the Cobras because they will probably last you many many many years with no problems. That's a little bit of educated guessing on my part but I hope it helps :)

I've never tried using the Demonator before but taking a look at the specs I'd be cautious about the single chain on the Demonator vs the double chain on the Armory. That's not to say it wouldn't be build solidly but as I've not tried them out and they are only marginally more expensive that the Armory pedals I can't see there being a major difference in quality. If money was no problem, I'd say getting a Pearl Eliminator double pedal set would be more of a worthy investment than either the Armory or probably the Demonator. Hope this helps, obviously these are just my opinions so bare that in mind :)

Essentially the two have pretty similar specs but a few things standout as being potential problems in the P400TW: 1. The single chain on the beater pedal- Not necessarily a problem as I've never experienced chain snapping but the day that happens on my Armory pedal is the day I'll be glad it was a double chain. 2. The lack of heel rest compared to the armory pedals may be a bit restrictive for people who have varying playing styles when playing at different tempos (some people like heel down and centre board pressure at higher speeds). 3. I also believe the spring system on the Armory is better but that's from the Mapex website rather than experience. Not a criticism, just a justification for why maybe these pedals cost more and maybe could be better...or worse..that's up to you

Silent stroke is the type of head. These tunable pads are available with multiple heads.

Me too , here from hk

So far I haven't had any issues with the leg (I assume you mean the cross bar between pedals right?) falling off while playing. I do have the screws tight though and they are metal on metal like with your pedal. Only once have I had issues with that mechanism where I didn't tighten it enough to begin with and so the leg slipped out from a rotationally flush position and mangled the peg slightly on the slave pedal. The downside of preventing this is possible mangling of the peg by tightening it too much but I haven't had any cracks or mangling yet and I've had it for around 2.5 years with regular weekly playing. With regard to over-powerful leg drumming, I would suggest taking it slow and practising lower tempo beats at a more controlled volume and working back up to your maximum tempo accordingly. It's just a suggestion and I find using a practice pad such as the Gibraltar pad 3 or more times a week can really help with controlling your power and getting the practice in. I don't know your level of drumming though so if that sounded patronising, I apologise! Hope this helps :)

When you're playing Tool, there's no taking it slow. :) But yes, unfortunately, it doesn't remedy the issue but I'll have to borrow a pair of man-hands, methinx. Thanks for all the advice!

You have a good point there and if you're playing Tool then yes I'll admit you're right there :'') that might work haha, you're welcome. Good luck with your drumming and playing, you have a great voice!

On the whole it has less rebound because it's a mesh-textured pad with a foam centre to it underneath the mesh. The great thing is, you can tighten the mesh head so you can vary the rebound to your fancy.

I personally removed the foam and tightened it until it felt adequately tight and responsive. Improves the feel 10x

Thanks for the advice I'll give it a go. May I ask what help you think it provides?

It provides a lot more stability in rolls and better articulation

Well obviously not; it's perhaps the quietest practice pad on the market.

This is not their regular practice pad, which is dreadfully loud. This one uses a mesh head.

That rubber base is making it loud. I still prefer wood base practice pad

The Eliminator is definitely a better pedal choice and in the end if I were to choose between the Mapex and the Eliminator (both double kick pedals) I'd go for the Pearl provided money was no option. As it happens money was the deciding factor in buying the Mapex but I'd say that if you or anyone was trying to choose between spending more for the Pearl or getting the Mapex, that they should just wait a little longer and get the Pearl. Honestly the single pedal Pearl was perhaps the best piece of drum kit I've bought and I doubt a double-kick version of that pedal could be anything but stellar in performance! -Sorry for the late reply to this btw Edit: It might be worth checking out the Mapex Falcon btw if you're interested in spending a little more for assured quality but I put all my faith in the Pearl eliminators from my experience

I think so yes, sometimes it's hard to tell if you're new to double kick drum playing because the left foot may not be as skillfully mastered as the right foot but having played this pedal for a few years it's definitely as smooth as the right in my opinion

StarWarsMeerkat well, is mapex p800tw fast and smooth? I'm looking for a budget double bass pedal that is fast and smooth, is mapex p800tw the right option?

on a scale of 1 to 10...I'd say 7 in terms of smoothness

I'm afraid I've not had a go with the P600TW so I can't comment :( hopefully someone who has will post :D

It does feel somewhat looser than the main pedal but that could be down to my left foot being worse than my right. Essentially if you wanted to learn on a pedal then this would suit just fine and probably teach you more control than a pedal like the Pearl Demon pedals for example which may do some of the work for you. That's just my opinion but as a beginner/intermediate double kick drum player I don't think there's a huuuge problem with the left pedal. In the end I'd say if you come across a problem like you're asking about, it can't be major and will only help improve your technique to overcome it. Hope this helps :)

thanks, i have had more expensive pedals in the past and I dont really want to change my techneque that much, if at all.

The falcoln by mapex is great if u can spend a few more bucks. Slave on that feels extremely close to the master.

Thanks, I will consider it.

I have purchased the Gibraltar 6711-DB and it is absolutely incredible how smooth it is. You should get one and review it. It is only £131 from dv247.com at the moment.

I've never had a problem with the left pedal other than my left foot being a step behind the ability of my right but as you're a more experienced tester of the hardware and a real double bass setup I can't throw that excuse your way :')

I was thinking to buy this model , is recommended or not? :/

Nothing about them stands out. I would stick with Iron Cobras or other Tama products.

@@ericmsandoval kinda late but yeah, in the end I ended up buying a speed cobra double pedal like 4 years ago and it still feels like when I bought it, super durable pedal and great for gigs

Awesome. I have one of those and it’s great. Nice Mega Man avatar btw. I used to be in a MM tribute band lol

bought a pair last week, it's black and green, so sexy :3 I love them so much

It's Green with a mat black finish they do look really cool! The spring adjustment nuts do tend to loosen after a while of constant playing but they're just there for a backup to stop the spring from loosening so mot a major issue and they do handle speed remarkably well, obviously depending on how you set them up tension wise and I find they're great for fast fills :) Hope this helps

That's awesome! they're really worth it aren't they especially at the price, enjoy playing!

+StarWarsMeerkat +Steven Slade thank you both for responding, I guess I must be color blind lmao! But yeah thanks for explaining, I just recently bought mine, it comes in tomorrow (or atleast sometime soon) and after getting a Mapex Armory Snare Stand, I decided to give their double kick pedal a try! Hopefully it'll do me good. Will respond after my use of it! :)

+Julian Torres Sí , viene con la bolsa, diferentes batidores , llaves allen , diferentes cámaras de la cadena y una llave de afinación tambor. Espero que esto ayude y lo siento, tuve que usar un traductor para esto :)

+StarWarsMeerkat demasiado tarde!!!!pero ya lo compre, gracias esta muy bueno...me costo $3000 en México

Ah eso es bueno esperanza usted está disfrutando de ella! Es un precio bastante decente para él , ya que es una pieza muy robusta del kit .