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Logic Pro 11: The New Feature that Rivals Paid Plugins
This video compares Logic Pro 11's new built-in stem separation tool, Stem Splitter, with iZotope Ozone 11's Stem Focus and RX 11's Music Rebalance module for their usefulness in audio mastering.
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⏰ Timestamps:
00:00 Start
01:42 Why James Chose A Metal Mix for This Comparison
01:53 How to Use Stem Splitter in Logic Pro 11
02:20 Comparing the Summing of Split Stems to the Original Mix
03:19 Playing the Split Stems
04:38 Metal Screaming Vocals Stems
05:15 Stem Splitting in Dense Choruses
05:49 Ozone 11 Stem Focus Comparison Starts
06:07 What is Ozone 11 Stem Focus
07:04 Playing the Summing of Ozone 11 Split Stems
07:23 Vocals Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs Ozone 11
08:26 Drums Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs Ozone 11
09:01 Bass Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs Ozone 11
09:56 RX 11 Music Rebalance Comparison Starts
10:20 RX 11 Stem Splitting Processing Time
10:37 Vocals Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs RX 11
11:12 Metal Vocals Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs RX 11
11:35 Bass Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs RX 11
12:10 Drums Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs RX 11
13:09 High Gain Guitars Separation: Logic Pro 11 vs RX 11
14:33 Final Thoughts from James
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Komentáře

  • @GACLE17
    @GACLE17 Před 20 hodinami

    Thanks for this tutorial !!

  • @TokarTK
    @TokarTK Před dnem

    Thank you for this comparison, nice work!

  • @finleybirdwhistle1853

    Too bad you used that terrible music for the demonstration, couldn't watch it.

  • @amazonbeat
    @amazonbeat Před 2 dny

    Rx11 utiliza o algoritmo Demucs nada de novo....

  • @evevoxx2053
    @evevoxx2053 Před 2 dny

    REAPER MASTERRACE

  • @AbbasTahaie
    @AbbasTahaie Před 2 dny

    put acoustica and spectraleyers against it

  • @basenmarion
    @basenmarion Před 2 dny

    Thnx for ur informative video. I think you can use a mic stand for the 37 measurements, it will only take much longer. And looking at it from another angle, your head is always moving a bit while mixing, so maybe they calculated that bias.

  • @tooomasz
    @tooomasz Před 2 dny

    Wow that's a hell of a good video

  • @narudh
    @narudh Před 2 dny

    AD/DA nowadays are so good ... i don't think anyone's bottleneck is the AD/DA

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 2 dny

      The problem is, it is, though. Read the pinned comment.

  • @HYZE0809
    @HYZE0809 Před 2 dny

    Upgraded my Logic immediately after hearing some samples of how good it can be. Incredibly useful for isolating vocals for remixes without ever having to touch a 3rd party plugin or resources. This was a great comparison, amazing and even delighted still that it was free for existing users!

  • @gregllatse1705
    @gregllatse1705 Před 2 dny

    so the 20 core ultra is of no benifit....is that right?

  • @sergeaudenaert
    @sergeaudenaert Před 2 dny

    Great video thank you - would be great to redo the test with Logic Pro 11 and see if they fixed it

  • @Bourbosaurus
    @Bourbosaurus Před 3 dny

    I don’t normally comment, but fantastic video. One of the best I’ve ever seen on CZcams in general 😂 straight to the point with complete clarity.

  • @mimoochodom2684
    @mimoochodom2684 Před 3 dny

    I''m a home music hobbyist. Like Arturia, Spectrasonics and UVI plugins. Want to use either Logic or Pro Tools. What do you recommend? Definitely won't be exceeding 50 tracks for any session.

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      I would definitely avoid Pro Tools in general. It requires a subscription and it doesn't come with nearly as many high quality music creation tools/libraries/synths as Logic does. Plus, it's known to crash a lot.

  • @nolimitzr1
    @nolimitzr1 Před 3 dny

    Time to redo Logic Pro after newest update with AI

  • @mimoochodom2684
    @mimoochodom2684 Před 3 dny

    I'm a newbie home music guy. Nothing flash. Interested in Arturia, UVI and Spectrasonics plugins. What would be best for me?

  • @Blepherk
    @Blepherk Před 3 dny

    Now, they should apply that quality of development to flex pitch especially artifacts, melodyne is still king

  • @jorgedejesustejedavaldez5283

    I think I’m gonna go to Logic again. I just hope they just improve his Stems exporting thing because is still very archaic they way to render stems and render Stems with the bus and send FXs processing in it.

  • @Redesreds
    @Redesreds Před 3 dny

    I was just thinking I should wait for the newer chip since Apple released an m4 iPad Pro - now I know I don’t have to :) thank you!

  • @jackflynn-oakley1937

    I would quite literally never use that in a mastering scenario. When A/B’ing the full mix you can audibly hear phasing (particularly in the high end) and are actively sacrificing audio fidelity for the sake of minor individual elements. Unless something is categorically unsalvageable, or returning to the mix isn’t an option. There is honestly 0% chance of me ever using that tool in a mastering setting. Maybe in future revisions, where it nulls, but as is? Absolutely no chance, it’s quite literally the opposite of mastering to do so. I think it’s a great tool for referencing, remixing and a plethora of other things… But mastering? Absolutely not.

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      It depends on what kind of mix you are mastering. I mostly master in the metal genres and often times bands want a master that is distorted and squashed to the hell and back. When it comes to metal mixing and mastering, we are actively sacrificing a lot of things throughout the entire process, from transients and low end information to clarity and dynamics, in order to achieve an aggressive sound. Ozone 11's Stem Focus is not nearly as good as Logic's Stem Splitter and I've found it to be incredibly useful for getting the mix where it needs to be.

    • @jackflynn-oakley1937
      @jackflynn-oakley1937 Před dnem

      @@JamesZhan I fully disagree with you mate, I’m sorry. In a mixing setting, anything goes I guess. But in mastering, using a tool like this would go against the literal meaning of the word. It’s not subtle, far from it; even in the best example you give… The fidelity loss is greater than the reward. Using tools like what you demonstrate in this video is just asking for a revision… If you’re audibly making a track worse, then you are quite literally, not ‘mastering’ (as a rule of thumb). This is an absolute last resort type of tool, and even then I’d be skeptical (as is). The genre is irrelevant here, you are quite literally sacrificing audio fidelity, which goes against what mastering even is. There are a plethora of things one should do before using a tool like this (asking for a mix revision etc)… Impressive? Sure… Does it have uses? Yes… But in mastering? Absolutely not. It quite literally goes against the definition of the word/job (as it is right now anyway). Even if a band wanted a -2LUFS super compressed master, there’s ways of doing that without making it sound like a phasy mess.

  • @Gabriel1chiro
    @Gabriel1chiro Před 3 dny

    this is made better than my graduation project

  • @eyekzmusic
    @eyekzmusic Před 3 dny

    Did they finally optimize Logic Pro 11 for their latest M chip computers? I know you said in previous videos how Logic wasn’t even using all the cores in the M3

    • @Plastidon
      @Plastidon Před 3 dny

      The answer is no , which is ridiculous after over ten years of asking them in there feedback page .

  • @Jamminn555
    @Jamminn555 Před 3 dny

    Fantastic stems comparison video, James. So well put together - testing detail, editing, production. And very insightful and entertaining. Appreciate all that you do. Benjamin

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @AZisk
    @AZisk Před 3 dny

    nice video. now how will this work on vocals? 😂

    • @cosmicsimonmusic
      @cosmicsimonmusic Před 3 dny

      They need to do something like this but for my belly fat

  • @rakhimberdiyevt
    @rakhimberdiyevt Před 3 dny

    Tbh, i think it's good. I'd still choose an m3 pro, being efficient is also great, and battery life also matters for professionals. If i get more battery life out of that thing, I'm willing to pay for it with the performance I'd still never fully utilize

  • @cmd_f5
    @cmd_f5 Před 4 dny

    Sounds pretty awesome. Still hear some artifacts but having that dense of a mix, of course there will be something. Logic is becoming a powerhouse Great vid

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      I never expect stem separation to be completely void of artifacts-there's only so much software can do when some information is just gone forever, but if Logic's stem splitter is already so good with a dense metal mix, I feel like it can easily take on more mainstream genres.

  • @esscce
    @esscce Před 4 dny

    Is this logic 11 available on all apple computers or from m1 stuff, which other stem splitter works at this logic level

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      Apple Silicon Macs only, unfortunately!

  • @Rasenschneider
    @Rasenschneider Před 4 dny

    Thanks a lot ! short time ago I installed RX11 Demo on my MBA M1 but I think I do not need to open it or upgrade from RX10 and have a far more easy job with Logic! The past years it was a bit complicated to export audiofiles from Logic to RX, make the split, export the stems to a folder (choose format and resolution and give file names) and import them to Logic, and and and.

    • @JamesZhan
      @JamesZhan Před 3 dny

      Keep in mind RX offers a LOT more than just stem separation, but if that's the only thing you need, I think Logic 11 got you covered now!

    • @Rasenschneider
      @Rasenschneider Před 3 dny

      @@JamesZhan I have RX 10 Advanced. I can still use it for repairs and denoising. I am not in movies so I have no need for the new dialog tools. 🤓

  • @sonicsound84
    @sonicsound84 Před 4 dny

    7:20 theres no way apple cant freaking see that? like... what?

  • @folkstudiokashmir6236

    Thanks for this update

  • @kirsanov2008
    @kirsanov2008 Před 5 dny

    wow, that's new to me... I really wanted to upgrade to a new macbook, I am a logic-pro user

  • @Lusloantv
    @Lusloantv Před 5 dny

    when I said this is the video I need..you said if you find the video helpful give the video a like. had to head over and do just that!

  • @Schizmatizmify
    @Schizmatizmify Před 6 dny

    Reaper stealing the show once again!

  • @rondavid1272
    @rondavid1272 Před 6 dny

    legend

  • @arti808music
    @arti808music Před 6 dny

    for my head very comfy and without them I'd be even worse as my room is not treated at all. So glad for VSX and Steven going for it. It is in my opinion a very futuristic approach and I love it. helps me hear more details. also paired it with apogee groove.

  • @user-rg9yy8qe3e
    @user-rg9yy8qe3e Před 6 dny

    So guys help me I'm gonna buy mac book whico do I meedbuy

  • @BaldyMacbeard
    @BaldyMacbeard Před 7 dny

    It's been a known issue for years that Logic ran most stuff single-threaded (I guess the - pardon the pun - logic was that everything on a bus should run on the same core or something?). It's kind of embarrassing, but it's also what made them a ton of money because many folks would rather drop 5k and more on a higher end Mac than switch to another DAW and relearn...

  • @twilightfilms9436
    @twilightfilms9436 Před 7 dny

    Congrats! Finally a very good review on CZcams. Excellent video!

  • @LazyKnife01
    @LazyKnife01 Před 7 dny

    Why Logic is not utilizing all the cores if it's Apple's software!??

  • @mariotahtouh3031
    @mariotahtouh3031 Před 7 dny

    Which MacBook is more performant for audio and video editing: MacBook Pro 13” M2, CPU 8-core, GPU 10-core, but with 24 GB unified memory, or MacBook Pro 14” M3 Pro, CPU 12-core, GPU 18-core, and only 18 GB unified memory? Thank you in advance!

  • @bramroff7530
    @bramroff7530 Před 7 dny

    Very informative, thank you my friend!

  • @therunawaywild
    @therunawaywild Před 8 dny

    Amazing, thank you!

  • @nofapobama
    @nofapobama Před 8 dny

    Would be interesting to see this comparison with Logic Pro 11

  • @Creature_NL
    @Creature_NL Před 10 dny

    I was waiting for the m3 or m4, now going for the m1 max!

  • @2.Plus.2.Equals.5
    @2.Plus.2.Equals.5 Před 10 dny

    Or you could just not get a Mac period. 😄

  • @ana_smith
    @ana_smith Před 10 dny

    Thank you!

  • @Radical_Middle
    @Radical_Middle Před 10 dny

    no daw has no features then reaper my friend. it is all in extensions and scripts.

  • @junjiito7100
    @junjiito7100 Před 11 dny

    Great video, thank you!

  • @Henry0870
    @Henry0870 Před 11 dny

    I just bought a used base model M1 Max Mac Studio.😎(Coming from a 2009 (upgraded to 2012) Mac Pro) I did look at a M2 (pro) Mini, but for a bit less money (€1300) I now have: - more CPU cores (10 vs 8) - more Memory (32 vs 16 or 24) (Might be overkill for my current use, but better too much than later running out of memory) - More GPU. (although I'm currently not doing much video stuff, I do plan on doing some in the near future.) - More I/O options/port (4 tb vs 2 tb + 2 extra USB-c on the front)

  • @xaosm_os
    @xaosm_os Před 11 dny

    I feel all these M1 M2 M3 releases and their Max Pro Ultra whatnot are basically like choosing a BigMac, BigCheeseWhooper or the Maxxed out BiggestrippleMacFettBurger. I guess good biz model and offers the consumer the apparent choice levelled to their economic possibilities, whilst upgrading by very small increments (since the M1 tech jump). Thanks for the vids, ive seen like 4 of them to get a good perspective on the M lineage.