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Ampico 206781 Fond of You - Laser cut roll
Here is a quick video of a laser-cut copy of Ampico Roll 206781 - Fond of You (see the earlier video on this channel of the original roll). I just used the phone microphone, so not the best sound.
Anthony Robinson (Salisbury, UK) has been making precision scans of piano rolls for many years, and converting his scans (and scans made by others) into top-quality punch master midi files. These files are designed to control traditional mechanical perforators, and will produce one-to-one copies of the original rolls. Anthony has kindly offered me files from his huge library
of Ampico punch masters. I selected this one, since I have an original roll to compare the laser cut roll to. Spencer Chase’s MIDI-to-Gcode software converts punch master midi files to the gcode instructions used by the laser cutter.
I could not ask for better results from the laser perforator. At the end of the video are some shots of the the perforator cutting this roll, the PC running LaserGRBL showing the cut pattern and gcode commands, and some photos of the cutter without the exhaust hood. And at the end is a side-by-side photo of a section of the original roll (with lyrics) and the new roll (brown paper).
This latest iteration of the Spencer Chase-designed perforator features powered feed and take-up spools (as suggested by Spencer) controlled by microswitch/paint stick (thanks to Lowes) paper position sensors, and a fully-supported paper path through the perforator. All of this is to minimize the drag on the paper as the Y-axis motor moves the paper back and forth while cutting.
Anthony Robinson (Salisbury, UK) has been making precision scans of piano rolls for many years, and converting his scans (and scans made by others) into top-quality punch master midi files. These files are designed to control traditional mechanical perforators, and will produce one-to-one copies of the original rolls. Anthony has kindly offered me files from his huge library
of Ampico punch masters. I selected this one, since I have an original roll to compare the laser cut roll to. Spencer Chase’s MIDI-to-Gcode software converts punch master midi files to the gcode instructions used by the laser cutter.
I could not ask for better results from the laser perforator. At the end of the video are some shots of the the perforator cutting this roll, the PC running LaserGRBL showing the cut pattern and gcode commands, and some photos of the cutter without the exhaust hood. And at the end is a side-by-side photo of a section of the original roll (with lyrics) and the new roll (brown paper).
This latest iteration of the Spencer Chase-designed perforator features powered feed and take-up spools (as suggested by Spencer) controlled by microswitch/paint stick (thanks to Lowes) paper position sensors, and a fully-supported paper path through the perforator. All of this is to minimize the drag on the paper as the Y-axis motor moves the paper back and forth while cutting.
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Ampico Roll 215873 The Way You Look Tonight recut on a laser cutter
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This roll was made on a laser piano roll cutter that I built based on the design by Spencer Chase. The original Ampico roll was scanned by Terry Smythe in 2003 or earlier, converted to a MIDI file using Warren Trachtman's Roll SCan Converter software, and then converted to a GCODE file to operate the laser cutter using Spencer Chase's M2G program. These gentlemen all deserve a lot of credit for...
Ampico Roll 205781 - Serenade "The Student Prince"
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Ampico Roll 205781 - Serenade "The Student Prince" - Music by Sigmund Romberg, lyrics by Dorothy Donnelly, from the 1924 operetta "The Student Prince" (the longest-running Broadway show of the 1920s). Ampico roll played by Edgar Fairchild, released April, 1925.
Ampico Roll 203391 - Wonderful One
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Ampico Roll 203391 - Wonderful One - The music for this waltz was written by Paul Whiteman and Ferde Grofé, the lyrics by Theodora Morse (also known as Dorothy Terriss), and was adapted from a theme by movie director Marshall Neilan. Paul Whiteman and his Orchestra recorded it in January 1923. This Ampico roll was played by "Harry Shipman" (Adam Carroll? Edgar Fairchild?) and released March, 1923.
Ampico Roll 206901 - Song of the Vagabonds
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Ampico Roll 206901 - Song of the Vagabonds, from the 1925 operetta "The Vagabond King." Music by Rudolf Friml, lyrics by Brian Hooker. Ampico roll played by J. Milton Delcamp and released February, 1926. This roll was missing the leader and first several bars of the song when I got it. I was able to make a (somewhat lumpy) copy of the missing section on my homemade manual perforator from a scan...
Ampico Roll 208341 - Some To Watch Over Me
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Ampico Roll 208341 - Some To Watch Over Me - Music by George Gershwin, lyrics by Ira Gershwin and Howard Dietz. 1926 song written for the musical "Oh Kay" as a jazzy, up-tempo piece. This Ampico roll was played by J. Milton Delcamp and released February, 1927. (It wasn't until the 1930s and 1940s that the slower, ballad tempo became the standard.)
Ampico Roll 200733 - The First Rose of Summer
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Ampico Roll 200733 - The First Rose of Summer - 1919 song with music by Jerome Kern, lyrics by Anne Caldwell. Featured in Kern's musical comedy "She's a Good Fellow." This song was recorded by tenor John McCormack. This is another Dean Howe re-cut of an early Rhythmodik roll, and is another roll where the marked tempo (105) is much too fast. It is played here at tempo 75. (The tempo setting on ...
Ampico Roll 203311 - Carolina In The Morning
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Ampico Roll 203311 - Carolina In The Morning - This well-known song from 1922 with words by Gus Kahn and music by Walter Donaldson was recorded for Ampico by Muriel Pollock. Ampico roll released March, 1923.
Ampico Roll 200483 - I'm Goin' To Settle Down Outside of London Town
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Ampico Roll 200483 - I'm Goin' To Settle Down Outside of London Town (When I'm Dry, Dry, Dry.) This 1919 song has music by James V. Monaco and lyrics by Joe McCarthy. This is another great Dean Howe re-cut of a Rhythmodik roll played by Donald Makay. This is another roll where the marked tempo (90) is way too fast, and is played here at tempo 70. The re-cut roll does not have the lyrics printed...
Ampico Roll 1261 - I Hear You Calling Me
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Ampico Roll 1261 - I Hear You Calling Me - This 1908 ballad was made fampus by tenor John McCormack. Music by Charles Marshall, lyrics by Harold Lake (pen name Harold Harford). Ampico roll played by Milton Suskind, released February, 1924.
Ampico Roll 53143 - Sweet Cookie Mine
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Ampico Roll 53143 - Sweet Cookie Mine. Here's another Dean Howe re-cut of a roll originally made for Ampico by the Rhythmodik Mucis Corporation. This 1917 song has music by Clarence M. Jones and lyrics by Jack Frost. Played by Victor Arden. The roll is marked "Tempo 75" but but is played here at Tempo 55, which is more like the recordings of this tune on old 78s.
Ampico Roll 206401 - Oh Say! Can I See You Tonight
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Ampico Roll 206401 - Oh Say! Can I See You Tonight, 1925 Fox Trot, music by Leon Flatow, lyrics by Henry Creamer and Joe Schuster. Played by Ferde Grofe. Ampico roll released September, 1925.
Ampico Roll 205891 - Yearning
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Ampico Roll 205891 - Yearning Just For You - 1925 song, words and music by Benny Davis and Joe Burke. Ampico roll played by J. Milton Delcamp; released May, 1925.
Ampico Roll 211121 - Maybe This Is Love
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"Maybe This Is Love" from the 1928 musical "Three Cheers." Music by Ray Henderson, lyrics by B.G. De Sylva and Lew Brown. Ampico "B" roll "played by Vincent Lopez, assisted" (probably Adam Carroll), released February, 1929.
QRS Roll 3803 - There Ain't No Maybe In My Baby's Eyes
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Here's the Lyon & Healy (Amphion) upright playing a QRS 88-note roll featuring a great arrangement by Pete Wendling. This is a 1926 song with music by Walter Donaldson and lyrics by Raymond B. Egon and Gus Kahn. Sorry about the bad videography.
Ampico Roll 206071 - The Melody That Made You Mine
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Ampico Roll 206071 - The Melody That Made You Mine
Ampico Roll 71063 - Outstanding Hits - Foxtrot Medley No. 9
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Ampico Roll 71063 - Outstanding Hits - Foxtrot Medley No. 9
Ampico Roll 71833 - Porgy & Bess Selections
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Ampico Roll 71833 - Porgy & Bess Selections
Imperial Roll X5772 The World is Waiting for the Sunrise
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Imperial Roll X5772 The World is Waiting for the Sunrise
Ampico Roll 1301F- The World is Waiting for the Sunrise
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Ampico Roll 1301F- The World is Waiting for the Sunrise
Ampico Roll 1963 - My Little Nest (of Heavenly Blue)
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Ampico Roll 1963 - My Little Nest (of Heavenly Blue)
Ampico Roll 212541 - Strike Up the Band!
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Ampico Roll 212541 - Strike Up the Band!
Ampico Roll 200603 - Alcoholic Blues (Slower Tempo)
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Ampico Roll 200603 - Alcoholic Blues (Slower Tempo)
Ampico Roll 216193 - Fox Trot Recording 1937
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Ampico Roll 216193 - Fox Trot Recording 1937
Ampico Roll 205341 - Charleston Cabin
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Ampico Roll 205341 - Charleston Cabin
You're making a Knabe fan out of me! I've always enjoyed this tune.
Wow that is amazing.
Are you cleaning the rolls before you play them? Ash is not what you want in your player stack.
There's no ash, just a few chads that don't drop off the roll sometimes, they come off easy (in fact, you can blow on the paper and usually they'll go flying off). There's very little smoke too with the process (though my basement is getting me lightheaded when I go downthere and my machine is running XD)
@@PiotrBarcz i just said this on another comment, but just to keep all these messages in one place I have some questions. 1: did you have someone build it for you? 2: how much did it cost?
@@That_One_Player_Piano Spencer Chase built the machine and then gave it to me which I was really surprised about. To build the drop in version for an existing engraver it would probably be pretty cheap (since Spencer's suggested machine is 300 bucks).
Yes, Piotr’s right, there isn’t any ash. The air assist on the laser blows against the cut as the laser runs, which helps push the chads away from the paper. They fall into a tray with water in it. But other than the chads, the water stays clear. If there was any ash produced, it would be obvious here.
The laser engraver for my machine was about $280. I’m up to about $300 in other parts & supplies since I added the paper take-up spool. The powered supply and take-up spools are simple- $12 synchronous motors, micro switches, wire, and scrap lumber. But I found that they keep the paper up and away from the cutter so there is less drag on the motor-drive wheel, so I get more accurate cuts.
Awesome work as always! Your edge trims are so clean, I still haven't gotten mine looking that clean but my perforator was banged up in shipping so a whole lot of stuff is out of whack xD
You had someone build it for you? I want one because I'm having some special rolls cut, and I don't have much faith in the companies that do it publicly. Plus I have plenty of rolls I would like recut if I get a scanner.
@@That_One_Player_Piano Spencer Chase who designed the machine built me mine and gave it to me (awfully generous of him considering how he had months of work into it). I can do the cutting for you if you'd like, I got the machine specifically to do custom cutting. I can actually make new scales for the perforator too, as long as they're not wider than 12 inches. As far as scanning the rolls themselves, I would mail them to Mike Swanson who does punch master reconstruction for cloning rolls down to the punch row.
Very nice instrument!! Sounds great...
Nice job, Dad!
Are there directions on how to put this together? Also, how much overall does it cost for all the parts? Beautiful piano btw.
How did you build the lasercutter?
It is based on the design by Spencer Chase which uses a laser engraver available online, and the paper feed mechanism devised by Chase.
@@303wal Do you think you could make a tutorial of sorts?
I put together a PDF with some pictures and commentary on how I built this roll cutter. Spencer has it posted on his Spencer's Erolls site. I will make a drawing with the dimensions of my machine (not that they're that critical - Spencer's cutters are quite a bit different).
This is amazing. I love the whole lineage of an original roll ==> midi ==> G code ==> new roll. Although I understand all the reasons for converting an instrument to midi control but there isn't anything as amazing as an instrument playing from a paper roll! Good work all! Do you think this would work punching a cardboard "book" for a band organ? Certainly more material for the laser to remove.
The laser can cut through plywood, so I'm sure it would cut cardboard. The cutting speed would be quite a bit slower than for paper. The biggest challenge would be to get the cardboard to feed evenly through the machine, but since the cutting speed would be slower, it would probably work fine.
amazing
Can you provide an estimate of material costs and/or the vendor and model numbers for the components? If it’s not a huge outlay, I want to build one too!
I just totaled up my receipts: $280 for the laser engraver, $288 for the other parts and tools needed (not including the woodworking tools and miscellaneous supplies that I had already). I will put together a detailed list of parts and some plans with dimensions and make that available.
@@303wal You, sir, are a Prince! It makes me wonder how much additional throughput could be added by adding a second laser operating in parallel and staggering the data appropriately.
F A N T A S T I C. I'm on contact with Spencer and will be building one too. Is your exhaust up and out the same flue as your furnace?
Great. No, there used to be a furnace connected to it, but it's gone now.
That sounds amazing!
Oh my goodness Bill! THIS IS AMAZING!!! How much editing was necessary with your perforator to get the roll lined up correctly?
I saw a comment you made on another video. You have one of these?(perforator) Could you tell me how much it cost to build?(if it's not too personal)
Good to see this working and playing on such a fine piano. I recognize your setup but forget who it belongs to. You are the first to get this actually working. I do not have a pneumatic player and only made one full roll with bad X axis calibration so it did not play properly. It is really good to get confirmation that this method does work. I put a lot of effort into it and until now was sort of concerned since my first full roll was garbage. I have made several updates to the program and do not know if i got the latest to you. I also have made an unspooler for large rolls and it works very well. Uses an optical IR avoidance detector and is real simple. I can not tell if your spool is unspooled by a motor. Pulling from the Y axis motor is not enough for heavy spools of paper.
Your project finally has come to fruition it seems!
Ah sweet mystery of life life
This piano looks almost identical to my Knabe, but mine is missing the ampico player, apparently removed many years before I got it. I wish it were still intact. What a great video. Thanks for sharing.
Great work on repairing the roll! This is one of my favorite rolls in the Ampico library. It always surprises me that hobbyists never mention it. Thanks for the shout out! The Mason is a fabulous instrument, no doubt. I certainly love mine. With shorter pianos, I think Knabes scale designs were much better than the competition (including M&H!). If I find a 6’4” Knabe with Ampico, I’ll let the Mason go. Your piano marvelously demonstrates the system and the intelligence of the Knabe designers and craftsmen.
Not a great choice of hammers
Who restored this piano and the Ampico? It seems like they did a great job.
One of my favorite pieces.
Your Knabe need make no apologies, it sounds superb and would be a much better "fit" acoustically for the living rooms for which reproducing pianos were intended. I have been told the name is pronounced something like "Ker-NARBah" rather than "Nabe" to rhyme with "babe". Is this so? Thanks for the great music Gavin East Lincoln, New Zealand
Loved the song--and the beautiful tone of the piano. Classic.❤
Great roll.
Great roll!
Very nice! I’m loving your posts. I have this roll also and a lot of the early ones and my piano is the same model. I also set it on Subdued for these WWI era rolls. Thanks for sharing.
An invisible pianist plays the piano.
Ferde Grofe rolls are great!
Nice roll played on a nice piano!
Glad you like it!
Ring the bell boys! 303wal is back :D
Just wonderful!!
The Knabe could use a tuning touch up, otherwise it sounds amazing as always!
Frank Milne!!! :D
Another fantastic roll! Keep 'em comin', I love this piano!
Thanks, will do!
well foto'd, well done. me 'n my daughter pumped many similar rolls. piano now is resting but ready for more ;-)
Great music, but a tripod for the camera would help.
I've only heard Frank Milne's roll recorded for Duo-Art so far, it's a bit more assertive in arrangement which is interesting.
Frank Milne's foxtrot recordings and medleys from the 21 series are some of the finest arrangements of some of the best music in history!
Beautiful piano! Tempo is waaaay too fast for the arrangement though xD It's a good one however, Arden & Carroll duet rolls are some of the best!
Suggestion: don't move the camera about too much. Leave it on the roll for a few bars, then show the keyboard nice and steady for a few bars (or just leave it on a tripod to show both at the same time). -Maybe don't bother showing the hammers striking as that's the same on all pianos. Focus on the keyboard and the roll, as those are special features of the player piano. Very enjoyable to see and hear this lovely instrument, perhaps the nicest-sounding player piano I've yet heard online. My maternal grandparents had an upright player piano, which was a delight to me as a young boy.
How lovely. Well done for having the piano in good tune also. Thanks for sharing.
Wow! Growing up I must have heard that roll well over a 1000 times when we'd go out east to my Grandmother's house where my dad had his other children with three and six legs lol his favorites next to me. I can remember rebuilding bellows and valves for different pianos over the years. Totally appreciated that! Thanks Eddie J. Long Island N.Y.
Wow, that's something I haven't seen in ages.. the bottom cover. Thanks for the share. I've noticed that when you're taking a video of the Knabe, it's like you're recording memories of, say, your baby.. I appreciate that. Thanks, Eddie J. Long Island N.Y
Interesting roll 😮. Fun fact when I'd play one of my fav rolls like Ampico 66913 Queen high selection that includes 'You must have been a beautiful baby..on an A draw I'd have the piano set to brilliant, pedal on, automatic and I'd pop the cover off the left side of the draw and unplug the bass - treble hose and lid open to full basically cranking the piano volume. Thanks for sharing. Eddie J. Long Island N.Y
What year is the knabe from, and are those the original ivory keys? They both look and sound fantastic. Thanks for the share. Eddie J. Long Island N.Y
Very quiet player system
Here's a request any 88 note Ampico test rolls you can drop in for my amusement? Thanks for sharing. Eddie J. Long Island N.Y
I loved playing this roll! Memories 😊
There's a roll I remember listening to frequently when my dad would come out to visit his kids, the ones with three and six legs.. Lol, the bag of Ampico rolls to the left. Thinking about it, I have over 1500+ Ampico rolls and maybe 100 of other makes, including some Duo-arts. I'm going to check out the rest of your videos. Thanks for the memories. Eddie J. Long Island N.Y.
…three and six legs - yes, I understand; my baby has six. I’ve got piano rolls all over this house, but I don’t have 1500 Ampico rolls - that’s quite a collection.
Thank you for that. I used to be able to listen to one of three players as my dad left me with three player baby grands two Knabes with Ampico B draws and a Hains bros with an Ampico A draw he was in the middle of rebuilding the two Knabes when he was met with untimely death so I only had the Hains to play but only with small and standard Ampico rolls unfortunately no of the jumbo rolls fit and about two years ago im guessing the pump motor brushes wore out. I have plenty of parts, thank you, dad, and hope to find matching brushes so I can listen live. Thank you, Eddie J. Long Island N.Y.