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Registrace 14. 02. 2015
SAB Raw 420 vs Raw 420 Competition
With the recent release of the Raw 420 Competition, Dave talks you through the differences between that and the 'old' style Raw 420.
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An introduction to Nick Maxwell's new (2023) MaxxGlo twin plug head for the OS105 HZ engine part 1
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An introduction to Nick Maxwell's new (2023) MaxxGlo twin plug head for the OS105 HZ engine part 1
Tour of the International Aeromodeling centre AMA site in Muncie, Indiana
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For those who have never been to the AMA site before, we thought you would enjoy a tour of the International Aeromodeling Centre in Muncie, Indiana, USA. Taken whilst we were competing at the 2023 World F3CN Championships.
BMFA’s Heli ‘B’ Test Training Session - Part 1
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Even if you don't live in the UK, the BMFA's Heli 'B' test is a great benchmark covering all areas of upright flight. Here Dave takes a customer, Ron Stephens, through what is required focusing on the first manoeuvre, the 'Bow Tie'. NOTE: the remaining manoeuvres will be covered in 6 more videos which will be released weekly in the Flyin' Fish Community (www.flyinfish.co.uk/community/) through ...
Hobbywing 200 Amp ESC New Firmware PL-04.1.00-VBar Test Flight mp4 1080p
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Hobbywing 200 Amp ESC New Firmware PL-04.1.00-VBar Test Flight mp4 1080p
SAB Goblin Raw 420 reviewed by Dave Fisher & Petrus Bothma
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SAB Goblin Raw 420 reviewed by Dave Fisher & Petrus Bothma
Hobbywing usb link 5.0.3 -2023 firmware update PL-04.1.00-VBar mp4 1080p
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A step-by-step guide to updating the firmware on your Hobbywing ESC
Changing Engine Bearings on an OS 105 HZ
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This video is an in-depth overview of how to change the engine bearings on an OS 105 HZ. Although specific to this engine, the principles should be the same for other OS helicopter engines. The bearings used in the video are listed below: BACK: simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p5072/SKF 16003 Open Deep Groove Ball Bearing 17x35x8mm/product_info.html FRONT: simplybearings.co.uk/shop/p42007/KLNJ3/8ZZ Im...
OS 105HZ R Engine Setup & Run in
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Setting up and running-in an OS 105 HZ-R with Dave Fisher from Flyin' Fish model flight training.
How would you say the 420C compares to a 380 like the M4? I've got 2 380's and been thinking of getting a new heli, already have electrics I could drop into it but dunno if better just building a 550
The 420C will feel lighter, more powerful and more like a bigger heli in the air compared to the 380 (M4). The main issue with getting a 550 is of course you will need the budget to buy all the necessary electronics that you can't use from the 380.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 yeah that's the biggest thing stopping me, like I would love to build a Raw 500 cause seems perfect size but it's same price to build as a Nimbus 550, Raw 580 and even more expensive then a TB60 which is crazy
Nice flying my friend.
do you know how to go back to non vbar firmware?
Plug in as if you were updating using the USB link. Click on firmware update & then select the version that you want & reload it. Hope that helps.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 no. thats not possible. everything is grey
Hi. always enjoy your Calmly spoken reviews!. although I understand the motive for Improvement, I just think why SAB didn't just leave the 420 DD as that, and named the 420 Competition as a "430 Competition" or whatever, so that the Two are kept as seperate Identities?
Thanks for your comment. Glad you enjoy the reviews.
Hi Dave, appreciate the video. Quick question. I'm noticing my bailout doesn't respond, it's seems to reset to slow startup after flipping to AR and back to run again. How do I alter the bailout timing?
Have you set the AR value to 35 in the Governor parameter menu on your transmitter?
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 I have it set at 10. Should it be 35? Also, have you noticed the multifunction box doesn't want to connect to either the PC or the ESC with the ESC's wires plugged into the Vbar. I'm running the latest HW 120A with the latest updates including the HW LCD Box with the latest updates paired with the Vbar EVO. I have yet to try unplugging the ESC from the Vbar to see if then allows the LCD box to sync with the PC and/or the ESC.
@@floating1351 Yes, it should be 35 & this will trigger the autorotation bailout. When you want to programme the ESC, do not have the transmitter switched on. Also, it is best to disconnect any telemetry lead in the side of the ESC and plug the multifunction box directly into the ESC.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 Could it be between 10 and 35? My bailout is working, just figured I had to adjust the duration (such as your 1.5s delay) in the ESC parameters. It doesn't matter whether the Transmitter is fully off or not. I've tried both. What happens, when you plug the LCD box in and add power. It says, connecting to PC or connecting to ESC, you just never see the "please wait"... It'll just sit there forever. I'll try unplugging from the Vbar. Will let you know if this works.
@@floating1351 No, it has to be 35. If you have a fan on the ESC, this is powered from the telemetry lead and the fan plugs into the female connector. If you try plugging the multifunction box into that connector, the box will never connect. Make sure you disconnect the telemetry lead from the ESC totally and plug your box directly into the side of the ESC. Let me know how you get on.
Is this replacing the raw 420dd or will they keep making it?
I can confirm that the 420 Competition is a replacement for the 420dd though you will still be able to get parts for the dd version.
Is this the beginners first big Heli here? Seems like a stretch 580? Or a full grade 700?
Although the Piuma shares some components with the 580, but there are a lot of differences. You can regard it as a true 700 - a great first 'big' heli.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 so better to directly get it and jump the 580 after learning basics on420/450? Or 580 before that
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 is it rather docile or nasty for a 700? Because everyone tells about the retarded power of a 700 🤩 Good first big Heli?
@@700sizehelisaretoosmall The Piuma is designed to use lighter components - lighter motor, smaller ESC. My preference is for the 12S set up. It will do all manoeuvres and at a 1950 head speed will not disappoint. It can be as responsive as you want to set it. However if you just want pure power, you are not going to match a Raw 700 running a 4530 motor. If you are still learning different orientations and want more flight time, then the Piuma is ideal. If you are going for a super high headspeed (2200+) and are hammering the sticks, then you should consider the Raw 700.
Hey Dave, thanks for the video. I have the 420 Comp as well and i gotta say i really like it. I had the 420DD and its awesome but i wanted some options with changing motors/ gearing. I'm dying to know the weight of the Comp w/ and w/ out batt. I dont have a scale, maybe you do? :) Thank you!
Without battery the model weights 1187grams (that's with an 80A Hobbywing ESC). I'm using an Optipower 2700mAh 6S 50C lipo which with the tray/connector weighs 458g. I'm using a bigger battery as I teach with this model and it gives me a longer flight time.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 Awesome sir, Thank You!
Excellent tutorial, helpful, thank you.
Glad you found it useful.
Can u run 380mm blades on the 420?
You could use 380mm blades on the 420 but it would make the model feel heavier, more agile (faster roll rate) and it won't have the same climb out or forward speed. To be honest, I wouldn't recommend it.
@flyinfishrcguides1393 I'm looking for a smaller heli, my current list of helis to get: -Align tb40 (cause of the size and it's cheap to crash. And I have a tb70.) -Goosky s2 (gonna be a beater, beat the shit out of it. Learn new stuff and challenge myself, improve...etc.) Contemplating the Goblin 420 competition making my list. Never owned a sab, and I'd like to experience the sab goblin experience. Not really a big fan of these "raw" style canopies but I like the look of it topless. Plus if I can run 380mm blades that'd be awesome! I haven't taken a look at the prices for the parts yet. However, I'm interested to see. How do u like the battery tray system? Does it complicate ur charging, cause of the connector? Or do u use bullet connectors. The setup I'll probably go with the 420 Egodrift 3220 900kv Theta servos Hobbywing esc Ikon Spectrum receivers/srlx2 Smc batteries
@@sawyerheslep8493 You'll find SAB helis are very smooth and quiet - very reliable. The new battery connection system makes life easy - very quick to change a battery. Very positive connection and large diameter connectors - it works very well. For charging it is best to make up a charge lead using H1817-S. My set up is as follows: Egodrift 3220 960KV KST servos Hobbywing ESC Vbar Evo Optipower lipos
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 Hello Flying Fish, I am a new pilot and just finished building the same 420c., now I see your video and I think I have the same servos (x12 -508 v8.0 on swasch & x15-755x and a HW 80amp esc, I am still waiting for the motor and am working on the setup. May I ask what voltage your bec is at for the SERV and are those the supplied servo horns? If so, in which hole do you have the ball from the mounting? seen the screw? I want to be sure when the time comes that I have adjusted everything properly.. thanks in advance MVgr Ruud Franken
@@rudolphfranken1446 Hi Ruud. My BEC is set at 8volts. I have used the supplied KST red servo horns which are fitted 2nd hole out from the centre (approx.14mm), both tail and cyclics. If you use the red KST servo horns, make sure you use a 2mm nut on the back of the ball thread. Hope that helps. Let me know if you have any more queries.
Hi Dave, great review. You helped me build my 420 so I'm pleased you didn't do it down like some reviewers have done compared to the new one. I will continue using my original 420 and am hoping to improve my flying as always!
great stuff, useful information if your looking for a small heli, some useful features on this model in contrast to the original, I'm waiting for the IL goblin 700 any ideas when that will be available via SAB ? all the best.
I don't believe a release date has been announced yet but hopefully it will be within the next couple of months.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 rumor has it not till November. But idk.
Dave, Thankyou for your review. Just curious to know if you have you flown the Blade 230s ? and if so, would the SAB 420 run "Quieter" than the 230s ?
The Blade 230S has an electric motor driving a fixed pitch propeller on the tail - this can be extremely noisy in operation. The belt driven tail with collective pitch on the SAB 420 runs at constant speed and therefore runs much quieter than the Blade 230S. Hope that helps.
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 Thankyou for reply. I should have mentioned if 420 is quieter than the "Main Gear" whine on the 230s. (my Blade 180 Infusion DD is super quiet and smooth than the 230s- hence my question about the 420) appreciate your time to answer Dave.
@@bradfordcc3488 Yes, the 420 is quieter because of the direct drive of the motor. :)
@@flyinfishrcguides1393 Thankyou for that confirmation. I just bought a 420 kit. will build it after I can get my head around Inverted Flight, with crashing.
@@bradfordcc3488 Enjoy the 420 - we're sure you won't be disappointed. :)
Hi Dave. Many thanks for the vid. I’ve been flying .91 HZR’s for years. Just got my first 105. Your video is invaluable to me for setting up this engine. Many thanks. Hope to meet you again soon.
Thanks for your comment Dave. Glad you found the video useful.
Thanks Dave, I have this set up in a TB70, 200A HW4.1- VControl classic. Question about the start up time, seems very hit and miss on my setup, upon first power up I sometimes get the nice soft start for the default 10 seconds but after that its about 5 or 6 seconds from spool to target HS which is unsettling the heli. I notice on your bench setup that its also way under the 10 seconds that your programmer box was reporting. AR bailout seems ok, recover 1.5s, AR timeout set to default 25s, even waiting a minute in either "motor off" or "motor idle" i cant get the 10sec spool up back until a power cycle, and even then it may not work. Bug? any thoughts? I reflashed @ 4.1.00 but no joy.
Wow impressive indeed !
They are good when they work, but HW's customer service is absolutely horrendous if it doesn't. Good luck.
I'm gonna pick one of these up and transfer all my electronics over from my 470L. it's should pair nicely with my Kraken 580
When you say high range, mid range, are you referring to throttle or pitch curve? If it is throttle curve, then why governor is enabled and used, which definitely interferes with throttle position?
Hi. You are correct - when the governor is active, you can’t relate to throttle curves but you can relate to the power being used from your collective stick position (your pitch curve). So how do we determine which needle (range) we are using? Your high range needle is your main needle; this controls overall fuel adjustment for the engine. This needle is brought into play when you are applying full collective / climb out. When you are flying 3D around the mid-stick to ¾ stick of collective ie. tic tocs, piro flips this will be adjusted with the mid range needle. The low end / idle needle is adjusted to achieve a consistent tick over on the ground. Once the needles have been adjusted to allow the engine to run initially, make sure that your engine is warmed up properly before you fine tune the needle settings. Hope this helps.
Thanks Dave, do you only energize one plug or both when starting?
Just the one (doesn't matter which one) - the other will automatically glow once the engine is running.
Great video... looking forward to part 2 😃
Excellent video Dave - thank you!
Great video, but… it is not in line with the test document requirements. For the heli hovering exercises, flying at eye level is a fail, the heli must be flown at approximately 10ft, which is above eye level unless you are 10ft tall. Also, the cones for the bow tie and top hat are not laid out as per the guidance, so the manoeuvres are not being done in the correct air volume etc.
Thank you for your comments.
Wow! Thanks for the heads up!
Love it - thanks Dave - good to meet you at Helifest btw.
Good video Dave - bags of encouragement and assurance given. Subb'd. Pop along sometime...................
Good luck team uk..
Hi Dave. When will part 2 be available of this?
Hi. The rest of the series looking at training for the BMFA's Heli 'B' Test is available on our Flyin' Fish Community page (www.flyinfish.co.uk/community). You do however need to be a member to access them (cost is £9.99 a month).
I don't understand something about RC helicopters especially very expensive ones they don't look like real helicopters they don't fly like real helicopters if you just want to have fun and enjoy far more features and a flying RC go drone. even better get on a nice PC simulator and get a feel what it's like to fly a real helicopter
drones are pretty much boring compsred to a pod n boom heli.
well, you can go for scale RC helicopters, if you prefer that. you can add as much detail as you wish. go for turboshaft engine, etc. there is no limit to what you can do. no reason to do 3D heli, if you don't want to do it.
How many kilograms of weight can this propeller take?
barf... my tip wash your hands when you make a video !
Wish they made a smaller version of this, SOLID bird for sure.
Love my new OMP Hobby M4:) I wish this heli wasn't so expensive in the USA! I would buy one then:)
Great content Dave.
Really enjoyed that, Dave and Ron!
Nice job Flyin' Fish!
Como me puedo poner en contacto con usted por favor
You can contact us via email: dave@flyinfish.co.uk
great review.. keep em comming
Thank you so much I appreciate it
Have you been in the 1100-1500 HS range with it?
Hi. No, I must admit I haven't been that lower than 1600 with it.
what size motor pinion are you using ? is it a 19t ?
Hi Alberto. No, it is a 20T motor pinion. The size depends on the KV of the motor you are using. Ideally you want it geared for no more than 2000rpm. Hope that helps.
I have watched this video many times and only this time I realized you have also got a fuel filter on the breather/pressure connection. Care to elaborate
Nice!
Amazing review and helicopter. Do you think direct drive will makes its way in to larger helis?
Just got that ESC too! Dave, are you using e-governor? I’m using it with the Vbar Control transmitter. Still figuring out the proper setups for ESC end points that effect the slow spool. Is it normal to have the high at 105% and low at 15%? On the bench test it start really slow. 12 seconds head speed reaches IU1
Hi Jose. No, I'm not using e-governor (I have in the past). I use external governor in the transmitter & select either ELF gov or STO gov in the Hobbywing - these work fantastically and are much less fussy. Using the Hobbywing governor have your end points set to 100% top and bottom and set up with the end points as recommended in the Hobbywing manual. I love Mikado but I personally find the Hobbywing governor much less fussy and it controls the headspeed beautifully. The autorotation bailout is also adjustable on the Hobbywing governor which it isn't on the Mikado. Hope this helps. :)
Dave, What flybarless controller are you using ?
I'm using the Vbar Neo Vlink fbl controller
Nice flying Dave, looking good!
Transmitters talk these days? Wow, things have moved on from my Concept 30 days :)
They do indeed John. 😅
Brilliant ! Love my HW 200 ESC with Neo - so much easier to tune - cheers from Canada 🇨🇦 New Subscriber 😉
I'd like to see a full size heli do this with a human inside lmao. Super cool
Would you like to the human test subject.
@@happygilmore2100 yup, find me a full size heli capable and gimme holler, smart ass