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quick question? where did you get those cables you're using with the voyager? not the ones that came with it, but the other ones? Thanks

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$600 for a split keyboard 😂 I’ll stick with my $20 Logitech TYVM! 🤣 My computer didn’t cost that much! P.S. I was an auto mechanic for 10-12 years, your hands don’t know true pain and even I can sit at my computer coding and typing for hours. I use a bean bag chair and TVs that are placed kinda high up.

I had to lookup what RSI means. I don't think I have that after 12 years as a Software Engineer, but my typing speed tops out at around 70 kpm, so maybe that has something to do with it? I have had mild soreness in my forearm on rare occasion, but it usually resolves within a day or so with some massage and stretches. I also use a thumb trackball mouse.

I just want you to know that I love you. As for the paperclip I have on my desk at work... Your days are numbered

I switched from the Logitech vertical mouse to a kensington trackball trackblade slim. It worked wonders for working for a year, no more wrist movement, helped so much. The issue appeared now tho, since the movements with the trackball caused a tenniselbow ... cant do it right

The background music should be louder, barely managing to catch words here

I am having surgery and will be in a sling for 6 weeks. I type for a living. I was looking for a split keyboard so I can have the right half, next to my hand, without extending my arm. Do you recommend a none-mechanical split keyboard?

I have been looking into split boards but I don't think my brain can rewire to adapt. I feel like I will take a very long time to adapt. Does the transition from standard KB to split KB easy ... does it take along time to adjust? I fear that I buy (I have never touch one) one I wont be able to use it, does it take long to get used to it? I'm a chap from the "old" school (70s) Thanks for sharing your thoughts I appreciate the info for newbies like me to split system. -OneLove

Great video, subbed!

You should make a video on that computer, looks cool af.

I'm really wondering what you would think about the Charybdis keyboard or the Dactyl Manuform with trackball (sometimes called Tractyl Manuform). I wonder how you would feel using it as a "mouse replacement" or at least as a supplement and how it would contribute to a more keyboard-centric workflow.

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Why do you ignore the option of a dactyl manuform? I know you chose kinesis advantage over moonlander due to the "curve" in the keyboard, so dactyl got you covered in this aspect, plus you can (and should) approach to desiding thumbcluster, from choosing trackball/encoder to tilt ange, key count etc. It does have it's drawbacks of harder layout customization and is a harder challenge overall, but seems the best option, taking into accout the range of customization. The only drawback i see is questionable acoustics in most default builds, as it is quite hollow, but I am sure it can be improved.

I built my corne classic v.2 for around 40$ 11$ for 5 pcbs plus shipping (I live in SEA) that will be 2.5 pairs of corne. 3$ for 3mm Acrylic for top and bottom plates 9$ for 2 nrf52840 supermini mcu 2$ for 2 of 180mAh battery 6$ for 42 gateron milky yellow switches 10$ for xda keycaps 1$ for 1N4148 diodes sockets,pins, 3D printed case, laser cutting are considered free for me. I also sold a leftover pair of PCB for 10$ and still have a half left in case anything broke.

I do electronics work on the side. If you can adjust the screws just right, you can cut a small plastic (or metal) tube the right length and put the screws through it and lightly tighten against the tube. That will keep the height stable. I'm still watching the video, but I thought that might be helpful. I do the same sort of thing with leads coming off of components like resistors on a circuit board to prevent shorts.

I also use the Logitech mx master 3 and unfortunately find myself getting really bad discomfort in my right pinky and ring fingers where they hang off the side. Unfortunate because I love the mouse. May have to switch to a vertical mouse

the unique thing that I really don't like about The Glove80 is that it's not Hotswap!

I really love the board, the design, the company and the owner. BUT, I just want to provide a warning to others I wish I knew because it's a hefty chunk of money. Like any one size fits all product, it's design to fit most hands. I just happen to not fit that well and so in my case, even after using it for a year... I just never got fully comfortable and it hurt my wpm and error rate. My issue is, that while I have large hands, I have large palms and shorter fingers apparently than average. What this does is change the reach-ability of the keys due to the keywell. So I had to constantly move my hands to hit keys and thumb keys and the keywell really needs the wrist rest and hovering wrist at that height is just not realistic through a whole day. Idk, I was distraught that I was immediately faster and less error prone when I switched to another non-keywell keyboard bc I wasted a lot of money and a year of trying to use it. But my experience seems to be rare.

Nice video! thanks to share. One question, what is the typing tool that you use at the end of the video? thanks

great video but having a cut every other second is really destracting and uncumforable

Sure they're overpriced, but these niche products are by default overpriced since they don't benefit from economies of scale. Until someone (Keychron, likely) brings these to mainstream with mass production, I'm sticking to alice layout. Not too excited to pay 400€+ for a flimsy 3d printed DIY project.

2:15 haha!

But are you offering this to the glove?

I've purchased this keyboard a month ago and I think it is an interesting keyboard indeed. I have got a written first-impression article coming on my blog soon. I detail how I configured it, especially the layers. Can I share it here newxt week? Thanks for your review.

bro i dont hate this keyboard but I'm a kinesis fan (advantage 360)

Kenesis non-gaming keyboards cosmetically look outdated like they are still designed in the 90s and not current times.

I really really really wanted to love my glove 80. I've daily driven it for over a year and despite that, I never could get my wpm back to where it was before the glove80 and I had a pretty high mistype rate. I always felt I had to constantly adjust my hand position which put pressure on my wrists. I kept with it, telling myself I just needed more time with it... but once I realized it had been a year, I came to my senses and realized it just isn't working for me. I really think it's just a me problem. My hands might just not be suited for it. I have large hands but most of the size is in my palms, not my fingers. So just hitting all the normal alpha keys in the keywell just was always a bit of a stretch rather than comfortable. I just recently switched to my old Atreus that I hadn't touched in a very long time and within 30 minutes I was already typing 10wpm faster than the glove80 I had been using daily. So if you have "normal" hands, I bet the glove80 will be great, just for me, flat boards without the keywell seems to be better. I would say, learning a restricted key layout that uses layers, sure it is a bit of a time investment but I've found it to be incredibly rewarding. A 34 key ferris is about as small as I think is reasonable but you also never have to stretch or move your hand, it can stay comfortably put and for me is the key to preventing RSI.

My config is 600 lines and I am not really missing anything, I could probably get it down to 500 if I cleaned it up and really considered which plugins I use.

It is a good idea to use ESDF instead of WASD for moving in games on any keyboard

I really wish someone made just a simple membrane split keyboard so the layout would get popular. No matter how superior the layout is, most people just won't be spending that much money on keyboards, because they probably don't even have that much to spend on a keyboard. It's a shame.

I don’t know where the shift key is on the voyager, but on a traditional keyboard you aren’t supposed to use the opposite hand to press shift (like if I want to do a capital “A” the. I should be pressing shift with my right hand). That should make the “anchoring” while typing a nonissue

After typing on offset keys for so long these column layouts, I'm just not sure at my age I'd adapt very fast. Also sounds a little silly to say to the consumer coming with a user qualm, "Eh, f-it, we've studied it to death" where other keyboards failed because they're time consuming to adjust. Maybe a 3-D printed little handle pressure fit to the foot would help spin it a bunch of times. The mounting idea just blows my brain. They don't need tenting for superusers if they're building their own chair stands. Are you then using eye-tracking for mouse movements?

Nice to have someone say the Kinesis well shape is comfortable. I have been wondering many years with it in my wishlist. I wonder if you have thought about adding one of them Elgato foot switches as another replacement for the thumb key you lost.

So the Moonlander was great, "except" it caused you RSI. So, the ONLY (not only, but bear with me), feature that an "ergonomic" keyboard must have, the Moonlander actually fails? How am I supposed to spend the hefty price tag on an ergonomic keeb, plus the inconvenience of having to get used to it, if I am not getting the supposed advantage, which is... ergonomy?

Some minor corrections: - The different light thing is because the colors being used aren't actually the same - The software "buckets" different ranges of colors into a the same name since otherwise you would need a gazillion names to account for all the different hex-codes - If you copy the specif code being used, you should get the same color. - The layering/colemak thing is possible but I see others have already commended/you're aware.

Unless this board has some sort of short circuit protections, it's generally not a good idea to unplug the TRRS cable while the USB cable is attached.

im not a programmer. i mostly game. i use a periloot caravel for my left hand. Its ergonomics are the hands down best because the section of the board where control+shift+tilde+z are located is sunk down and the rest of the board is sloped tilted up to the right. the thumb cluster is also positioned below C+V (below as in under row and also below as in sunken down) allowing for most natural thumb positioning. If i were motivated and smart enuff id figure out a way to make a whole dactyl keeb like the periloot caravel + wireless with bazillon battery life