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Does anybody know when this was recorded? Evans' career started in the '50s, and he lived until 1980. The rock music that he's referring to could be anywhere from pre-Beatles to post-Zappa. I heard him refer to the "60s" in the past; maybe this was in the '70s? I wonder how deeply he knew the rock catalog, and what he might have thought of King Crimson, ELP, or the Hendrix Experience.

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Dig it. He reinforces that Zappa was primarily a Jazz musician.

With respect to Bill Evans, who I greatly admire, I don't think this is true anymore. While this very well may have been true when he made this comment (post 1970), my whole career as a guitar teacher has hinged on trying to get people to understand that jazz need not to be "harder" or more complicated than blues or rock. In fact, they may all be the same thing. People have a bad habit of remembering only the most technically proficient players of any genre, so that to most people Jazz Is Miles Davis, John Coltrane, Charlie Parker, et al, but there are several generations of very simple pop music crafted in a jazz idiom (for a public that understood that idiom) which are now mostly forgotten. Most rock players could make easy work of Dexter Gordon's classic tune "Cheesecake" as an example. It's not the genre nor indeed the music itself that is hard, it's the players which bring to the music that complexity which can make even a simple tune sing. The big deficiency that most modern students face is a fundamental lack of familiarity with jazz as an idiom.. It was ubiquitous in the mid century, radiating far into the commercials, pop music.. Even Chet Adkins and Nashville.. People today don't, anymore, know the grammar, though these days most folks have an ear for rock.

A lot of Jazz hits the brain first. Rock hits the gut, as it should. Everything’s BE said is pretty obvious, right? U never hear anyone lauding Sex Drugs & Jazz!… What “pushed Jazz into a corner” was its transition from dance music into sit-down-and-listen music, in a fashion more akin to classical. A lot of 60’s Jazz became very abstract - John Coltrane was a major force in that direction. While it may have been musically sophisticated, it had no chance against the music of the Beatles & Motown, as prime examples.

Great vision of rock in the 60’s. But rock has evolved and certain niche rock music are more demanding, are played by educated musicians and I don’t think this still applies to rock music in 2024

So what...can a jazz player write stairway to heaven or your move or come together. Evans is talking elitist crap

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That depends on what type of rock music. There are very different and varying forms of rock music but I am not sure he listened to all rock music.

Aclararía mucho saber de qué año es la entrevista y a qué estilos de rock de aquel entonces se refiere.

As great as he was, I have to say he was wrong. A jazz musician who has never played rock isn’t going to be a credible rock musician in 10 or 20 minutes. Like jazz, rock is a culture. You have to like it , listen to it, feel it.

If anyone had a sophisticated rhythmic sense it would be Bill Evans. He would do this three over 4/4 improv at times and you wonder how he will get back to the duple beat and he always did.

What he said about priorities at the end is the reason why Led Zeppelin is still highly rated by musicians and general public to this day while bands like Kiss and other cartoon bands are not.

@ 4:30 "I guess you'd have to do a survey of rock musicians and ask them what their motivations are - if you could get honest answers." No, that's not the data you want. That's completely irrelevant. Successful rockers cater to the prevailing trend. Ask any studio musician. What you want, is a survey of rock fans asking them why they like and support rock - but not jazz. (I believe the answer is accessibility to the audience. Jazz is quite often inaccessible to the minds of the majority of people. I also believe the mass exodus from jazz and swing to blues and rock started in 1956 with the simplicity of Elvis and "Hound Dog." I was a kid at the time, but I thought, "This is too lame to catch on..." Ooops!)

We need to raise human consciousness to the level of jazz. The reason why it’s not everyone’s favorite, is because they aren’t able to accept it.

It's like this with almost all forms of art. Literature, music, visual art, dance, architecture, sculpture, tailoring and design, even stuff like gaming rulesets or video game concepts. There are styles that have a broader appeal and they tend to be simpler, more fundamental and more direct. And there are forms that require people to maybe put more effort into learning more to be able to appreciate them, but that journey of learning and understanding is part of what makes it enjoyable and gratifying. Ideally, it's not something you do to get "bragging rights" or to appear more sophisticated for brownie points (although those people certainly exist), but because you really get into the learning and exploration process in itself. I mean shit, it's like this with a lot of practical stuff too, learning about woodworking, gardening a mechanics, cooking and DIY and so on. It's REALLY about the process. It's about feeling the delight that comes with realizing you're able to do something you weren't able to do earlier, or being able to understand something you never caught on to before.

Jazz musicians would dig some Technical Death metal, just don't focus on the vocals lol, P.S Jazz rules!

I love GREAT jazz - which isn’t all of it. But does it inspire and take one away like any great rock anthem? Not necessarily. Are there virtuosic rock players? Absolutely. It’s not the form. It’s the connection to higher dimensions. Few jazz players could play Rachmaninov’s Piano Concerto No. 3. Or Beethoven’s Rondo from the Pathetique Sonata. But it doesn’t mean that their compositions can’t take the player to extraordinary spaces. Sometimes incredible complexity and improvisational prowess is needed. Sometimes naked, raw simplicity and POWER. Sometimes delicate subtlety in feeling. Classical, rock, jazz, fusion, prog rock, metal, folk, Indian classical, and world music are all tributaries of the great river of sound that becomes the music that connects us to one another and the universe. Play on, no matter what the instrument. It’s one of the wonders of being human and alive!

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This reminds me of the meme that say a rock guitarist plays 3 chords in front of 30,000 people and a jazz guitarist plays 30,000 chords in front of 3 people.

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Bill Evans is no Darryl Hooper.

For me, rock is music of the earth and jazz is music of the sky.

Rock was influenced by jazz, this take makes complete sense. I agree with Bill Evans, nobody should care about comparing both genres’ difficulty or whatever pointless stuff, they are simply different paths of musical expression, and they’re not mutually exclusive(artists in both genres have evolved regardless). Being a musician should just be about one’s emotional expression, seeking quality technique and being open to other artistic ideas!

Because jazz is bad and worships needless "difficulty" (ACKCHULLY this series of wrong notes is very artistic!!!) and rock and roll is unpretentious and isnt swamped with gatekeepers who confuse a phd with actually knowing anything human or useful

As a counterpoint, look up spinal tap on jazz

love how halfway thru bill catches himself being a grandpa and decides to be hip

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I wonder how he'd feel about math rock. I have always felt that math rock is often pretty adjacent to jazz from a structural point

Rock bands play three chords for thousands and people, jazz bands play thousands of chords for three people. As Bill said, "You have to live with it."

He’s pretty much spot on, though I think the progressive rock movement definitely challenged this general framework for a time

So PLAYING rock might not be as subtle (and by extension, difficult) as playing Jazz, but to WRITE good Rock songs is a totally different, and much more complex, animal.

Tell this all to Steely Dan 😂

He is absolutely right. As a blues and rock musician I know that good Jazzers are a different league. They know lots of theory and play things rockers can only dream of.

All I can say is 30+ years ago I lived in a place that had Bill coming to town to play in a local club - I had really liked his stuff as I was studying jazz at a music school at the time and we would often try tunes that he had done...our piano player was close friends with the guy that brought Bill in and got a call as soon as he( Bill ) got into town - the guy said " Bill just got here and he needs some coke right away " - that was kind of the end of the idolization and about a year later I heard that he died - his version of " Blue in Green" still sends chills down my spine

True, but interestingly classical musicians can also say the similar thing about jazz.

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He’s 100% correct. Of course, there is no harm in someone preferring rock music to jazz . But from a technical standpoint, he’s right .

He obviously never heard Mr. Mister or Ugly Kid Joe

The reason rock took over is that Jazz had moved from dancehalls into peoples homes, and it became the music of an older generation. The younger generation wanted something less intellectual or cerebral and something more direct just like Bill said. The same sorts of things he says about jazz in relation to rock could be said about rock in relation to the synthesised computer produced electronic music which followed rock. That was the transition in my generation from my fathers, from rock concerts to raves. The older generation said, oh this is easier to make because it’s more simplistic and it’s so direct etc etc. but as time goes on the same pattern repeats itself. The music moves from the dancehall to the home and becomes more sophisticated, more intellectual, more experimental and this can be seen with the emergence of prock rock and the extremely intricate forms of metal music with levels of complexity and musicality far beyond early rock and roll. The same process occurs in experimental electronic music which is constantly evolving both technologically but also becoming again more melodic and moving away from repetitive arpeggiated patterns associated with early techno and house. As Chuck D said “Every generation thinks the next one is whack” but every generation is wrong

Jazz can get pretty ridiculous, they will make it complicated for the sake of a challenge and then flex on us mere mortals with something like Giant Steps. Don't get me wrong though, I love Giant Steps

Miles Davis liked rock and he kicked Bill out of his band 😂😂

He's not wrong.

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I don't think Evans heard much progressive rock, psychedelic jans, acid rock, experimental rock, etc.

I am a rock musician for last 40 yrs, yep, Mr Evans got it right. OK, I can play some jazz, sometimes we do that, but jazz is simply another universe for us.