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"Flimsy Lancias"?? Yea they won more rally races back to back because they are flimsy.....AND YOU ARE FACKEN IDIOT.

Group B and Group C were fated to doom, they were getting massive popular so the FIA has to kill it to protect their golden baby, F1

They were two of the catalysts. Behind the scenes Ecclestone and the FIA wanted Group B banned because it had become more popular than F1.

I was lucky enough to start watching it in 1984. The same year I started watching F1. I was gutted when Group B ended, although it was the right decision. It was a victim of it's own success.

Hello, dear friends. Like you, I have been involved in rallies for most of my life. I compared the different periods of time, some of which I experienced directly myself. My time as a rally enthusiast began in 1984, at the age of eleven years. And I was living at the north-western part of lower austria, where the Semperit-Rallye took place. So I had the great luck to see the old-styled competition cars like the Escorts or Asconas as well as Walter Röhrl and Christian Geistdörfer with the extremely powerful works Audi Sport Quattro S1. The matter is: The fastest vehicles in group B where too over-powered and too technically exhausted. At the other side, the group A cars and group N cars had been too boring. But also in some cases extremely strong and expensive, as you could see it especially on the Lancia Integrale. I think that both the excesses of Group B and the blandness of Group A as the highest class have done a lot of damage to rallying. With the first generation of World Rally Cars (starting in 1997), things were moving in the right direction again - principially. Unfortunately, the rallies were shortened too much and separated between gravel and asphalt. This has resulted in another very expensive, upgraded generation of rally cars. But at least the vehicles were very safe. The problem with today's top sports rallies is that there are too few competitors (only Hyundai and Toyota, and a few Ford with M-Sport). This is because the regulations are only suitable for very few car manufacturers. The rallies should also become longer and more demanding again. In general, I would like to see more competition with more different types of vehicles.

myth

You're not wrong. Part of the homologation inspection is verifying stamped chassis numbers and registration. The idea that Ford would even attempt such a fraud is just daft. @@SIERRACOS

There's something very relaxing about 'em isn't there? Yes the AV isn't as high quality but it's like your favorite homemade stew enjoyed on a cold but cozy evening.

It is pretty boring to watch now; the top cars are robotic; while spectating on the recent Ulster Rally I was conscious of the fact that the cars just appeared to be steered around sharp corners. The real entertainment is further down the field amongst all the old RWD stuff. While marshaling in the 80s local rallies would havea very varied bunch of home grown machinery.

@@jefftodd621*counter-steered, I would’ve thought

Michelle

Did you ever get it finished? :D

@Night Owl Rally I did finish drawing the prototype, then moved on to making it online on a 3d model and finished that, but now have a foxbody that I spend 99% of my time on, the jetta is just sitting for now.

I think Mitsubishi was in it too?

The era of Big Daddy's? Really?.. Line any of the Subaru or Mitsubishi's up next to the 205 Turbo 16 Evo 2, the Sport Quattro E2 or the Delta S4 and see how many rally fans pick the Subaru or Mitsubishi over the Grp B monsters?.. I'd wager very few, if any. Not taking anything away from the Grp A and WRC Subaru and Mitsubishi cars over the years - they created some really close, exciting rallying. But Grp B was an incredible time to live through and experience. We'll never see anything like it again.

Best vehicle and girl these days are from Japan and Korea

Even among the other gentleman drivers, Mr. Pond stood out. Plus he had the best mustache in rally (Juha Kankkunen a close second).

​@@nightowlrallyHe shared it with his friend, Nigel Mansell.

​@@liverush24they shared it. One wore it 1 week, then the other wore it the following week....... 😂😂

@@mrkipling2201 And Ian Rush wore it in the '86 Cup Final.

Group C on the track, Group B off it. <3

What he meant was, the RS200 rallye car was build out of the 200 production cars each manufacturer had to build for Group B homologation. At that time when the RS200 had it´s debut, Audi and Peugeot had already evolution rallye cars (Audi S1 Evo2, Peugeot 205 T16 Evo2). Ford also planned to make the RS200 more competitive with a evolution modell. But that never happened, because Group B died after Corsica 1986.

Homologation

It was but 200 cars were never produced, it seems they got away with less than 50 by clever shuffling them around at inspections. The car wasn’t up to the standard required anyway when it came out it just didn’t work well enough. Bit like the 6R4, that had the power but it was too short and wide compared to the 205 T16. I was watching rally during all the 1980’s. Spectator safety was only ever an issue abroad. There were never problems in UK because the stages were properly marshalled! Nobody was ever allowed to stand on the outside of a corner anywhere. The Lancia Stratos was a beast of a car but very twitchy the Delta was good but, by the time it was winning Audi and Peugeot weren’t really competing at top spec. Quattro wasn’t that special until the S1 appeared, you could her it miles away in the night. Michele Mouton could really throw one around. I even remember Carlos Sainz senior debuting in RAC rally in a pink XR4!

@@stevenmoran4060 some memories, huh….? 🙏🙏🙏 Group B respect, forever.

​@@stevenmoran4060agreed. We never had any problems with the crowd here in Britain at the RAC Rally. Some of the crowds in other countries were so close to the cars driving past, I'm surprised that there wasn't more incidents like the one in Portugal in 1986.

We all know Toivonen had seizures i honestly believe he had one brought on by the fever, he never hit the breaks at all. Legend!

@@RightisRight-pt2qj He was sick, yeah, and he was still complaining of a neck injury (which was extremely common during GrB). Or it could've been that something in his neck finally gave and made him lose control... Either way we lost a great man and a good driver senselessly all because of one man's ego (Cesare Fiorio)

​@@nightowlrally2 great men since the co-driver died aswell