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Using a 10mm on a Legendary skulled enemy? Deserved 😂

I get where you're coming from but Vader had a legit reason to be there. The Archives is a very high value target, in addition to there being three high profile jedi there. Having said that I agree with much of what you had to say about that fight.

I thought it was a fantastic game. The fight between Cere and Vader was extremely challenging (and I agree on your balance-issue sentiment), but also an emotional rollercoaster at its conclusion. This also put on display how high the stakes were (losing both Cere and Cordova. Bode's betrayal. The Empire's eventual occupation of Koboh), how Cal's resistance against the Empire began to wane, the walls closing in, and the psychological impact it had on him. All these things demonstrated the inevitability of the Empire's power and the depths it will sink to ensure its survival. The game should have focused more on this as the central part of its story. The Dagon and Rayvis (seeking Tanalorr) arc felt like too much of a deviation/distraction from Cal's original purpose, which was defeating the Inquisitors and crippling the Empire wherever possible.

EA app is holding me back from experiencing this game 😅

Idk why you think the Vader fight detracts from the story. Why would they create a whole new character to represent the empire we already know well. He serves the purpose of reminding us abt cal and the crews place in the larger Star Wars canon, and contrasts the ISB later on. He also serves to show how powerful and legendary of a Jedi cere is by almost taking him out. The moment wouldn’t nearly hit as hard with some random new character that leaves as quickly as introduced. Great video man, I agree with most of what you had to say!

You think Vader is fan service in this game but NOT Rogue One?

I really enjoyed this game.. A LOT

i would have preffered to play as vader in the jedha sction.

Ur Vader take is so braindead

its a souls like game. The game shouldnt even have a difficulty slider. Its supposed to be hard. Cere is supposed to face vader. The last time she faced him she nearly fell to the darkside, this time, aligned with the light in whole. She faces him as a Jedi knight, Not as a survivor. She dies holding him off. That always had to happen. If it didnt happen in survivor, It wouldve happened in the next game.

Good video man, keep up the good work !

Vader isn't wedge into the story. He is apart of it. He oversaw Cere and Suduri torture, and turned Suduri into the Second Sister. Not to mention Cere and Cal broke into is inquisitor base and pissed him off. I thought the end of the first game made is clear a day, at some point Cal and Vader will cross paths again. Vader killing Cere gives Cal a far better reason to force that conflict now.

I really dislike the vader sequence in survivor because it makes vader seem more like a pussy than an actual threat. Cere was not really set up to be this powerful jedi who could even give darth vader a run for his money. It just feels so shoe horned in. Plus I hate cere's actor's stupid face and wish she would stop showing up in every game these days. And even if it was kal or some other jedi fighting vader it would still ruin vader in my eyes. Just leave vader alone disney ffs. Stop ruining him in everything he's put in like the ob-wan show.

What difficulty did you play on?

sekiro is a souls like tho so if jedi is like sekiro than its a souls like and therefore there really isn't anything wrong with comparing it to a dark souls game hell if you put the game on grandmaster it basically is a dark souls game. edit: you've gotta be a bot if you think 30 hours of gameplay is too long your not a gamer man. A games value lies in how much time you can put into it and your acting like its a chore to play a good game that you could easily sink over 100 hours into. and do you really think any inquisitor could kill cere? vader was the natural choice. and what do you mean they had to add a "cannon character" do you not realise that the entire game is cannon?

16:57 I think the issue here is that you presume that Big Bad must mean being the most powerful. When in reality, it can just mean that they’re who the Story is ultimately going to put you against. Bode was the Big Bad for Cal Kestis’s personal story in this Game, Cal was always going to focus more on Bode’s betrayal than any Inquisitor or even Vader showing up and killing Cere, because at the end of the day, it was Bode that informed the Empire of the Hidden Path. As for Vader’s appearance in the Game, as many have pointed out, hunting Jedi was, as Obi-Wan would put it, Vader’s “specialty”. Of course it also could’ve been any other Inquisitor that showed up as well, so what reason does Vader have to be specifically involved. Well, this is the end of Cere’s Storyline, and she actually has a personal history with Vader to an extent. Vader was the one person that Cere was terrified of the most while she was captive in the Fortress Inquisitorious. Vader represents Cere’s failure as a Master to Trilla, and he represents the Darkness within Cere as well. Finally Vader represents one of the main aspects of the Story, that was told from the very beginning, despite everything Cal and the gang does, the Empire is everywhere, and they’re only growing Stronger. Vader doesn’t necessarily represent the Empire itself, but rather he represents the fact that, as he himself put it in the very fight “It is delusion to think your actions have had any consequence.” Vader represents what is essentially, the fruitless resistance against the Empire (atleast at the point in time that Jedi Survivor takes place in) Also, if it isn’t Vader, who else could it have been? You say they could’ve brought in a new character like the other three Main Antagonists of the Story, but as it’s been made clear, this was pretty much nearing the Climax of the Story, there wouldn’t have been enough time to really develop a new Inquisitor they introduce. Not to mention that Cere for the most part is powerful enough to trump most Inquisitors. So at best, the Grand Inquisitor could’ve been the one to kill Cere than Vader, but as was established, Vader has more of a personal connection to Cere at this point in time, so logically it couldn’t have been anyone BUT Vader to show up and finish her off. The personal connection here pretty much shows that this does in fact work outside of a Vacuum.

great video bro, keep up

Good video, but you don't have to qualify all of your opinions by stating that it's just your opinion and others may have a different opinion. We want YOUR opinion! Tell us YOUR opinion! Who cares what anyone else thinks! Secondly, I'll give my opinion, ha. I just fundamentally did not enjoy this game at all. I loved Fallen Order, but Jedi Survivor was a SLOG. The fights are just boring. They are boring at the beginning and boring all the way at the end of the game. The cinematic attacks take you out of the game and remind you that you're playing a story and not a game. The level design is infuriating, making you take huge enormous roundabouts to get back to where you started over and over. That's not Metroid Prime's level design, which blocked off an area you had to come back to (which Fallen Order did really well). Instead it shows you a place you want to get to, and puts arbitrary obstacles in your way to make you go through the funhouse to get to it. Lazy! The difficulty is strange, the ending sucks, I just hated this game.

I agree with all your points and this is a really good review. I don’t really agree with the Vader part for most of the reasons other people have already said so I’m not gonna regurgitate those points. I agree that Vader popping up everywhere can be boring but they need the big bad Vader to come in to kill cere. Anyone else and it wouldn’t have felt right, also Vaders entrance at the end of the last game was to humble you and show that even though you spent this whole game leveling up and becoming powerful you are nothing when it comes to Vader. At least that’s how I perceived it and thought it was perfect in that sense. His appearance in this game is necessary and not a cameo/fan service in my opinion because he’s the top dog and seeing him come in shows that you are making an impact and what you are doing is meaningful because its on his radar.

Blaster stance superiority (gun parry)

I think the Vader fight should've been like the first Bode fight; it's a matter of when you lose, not if. It'd further the sense of futility. All that would change is Vader's attitude towards Cere at the end; if you die during the first phase, he'd just say "All too easy.", if you die in the second phase, he'd say "Admirable, but futile.", if you die in the third phase, he'd say "Impressive.", and if you actually manage to "beat the boss fight", he'd defeat Cere in some OP chosen one force move and walk away quietly limping as he did, showing that it didn't matter. This way Vader's appearance is effectively just a cameo again.

I have to disagree with the Vader part. I was losing interest till that part and I think it worked better then first game because it’s like her trying to avenge the second sister. Also her dying to Vader builds up for the third game where you know cal is going to have to fight Vader. But I can understand your point especially if you forgot about second sister. I think what made this game not as enjoyable for me as the first was that I hated the main planet and how many times I went back to it. Ya the first had back tracking but I was seeing new areas etc. that’s my opinion thou.

this game was such a masterpiece for me. It should have won game of the year

First of all - great job. You made very good arguments and outlined quite a few of the problems that Star Wars faces today, not only in the games, but especially in the live-action shows. Although, I'm not sure I completely agree with what you said in this particular case (with FO and Survivor). I am referring here mainly to the Vader problem. In Fallen Order, I always thought that the appearance of Vader and his brief role in the story were done perfectly. I absolutely love that the moment Vader appears all the characters and enemies from the game become irrelevant and very small in comparison. I love that you didn't actually fight Vader, because he is just too powerful for Cal and Cere. The only solution was to run away. In terms of Star Wars lore, it also made sense, since Vader's fortress was on Mustafar, right next to Nur, where there was the fortress inquisitorius. If there was an intruder in the fortress, Vader should show up right away, especially since the Jedi holocron was involved. As for Survivor, I would agree with everything you said if it was Cal fighting Vader on Jedha. But Cal was busy chasing after Bode. Cal didn't see Vader in the game at all. Throughout the game, Cal did not deviate from his story to face Vader, or any other well-known character who was completely unrelated to the story. Cere had to die to affect Cal and his further adventures. Who was going to kill Cere, if not the most powerful Sith in the Empire, who is hunting Jedi during this period? It honestly kind of makes sense. At the end of the day, it's a game about Jedi. It takes place during the height of the Empire, which sends inquisitors and Vader to hunt them down. Story-wise it makes sense that Vader would be involved in Cal's and Cere's story. Sorry if I elaborated too much. This is my approach. I think so far the Jedi games are great, if the third game delivers, it will be a great Star Wars game trilogy.

LMAOO I THREW LIKE 3 mines before he backed up into them

18:54 this is completely a you problem lmao ive never heard anyone else say this before and its not worth dedicating the longest section of the video to

why does he have the same exact expression throughout the whole game lmao

your intro music reminded me of Dark Forces

So like….. wtf beef you got with Vader bruh? it’s ALWAYS necessary for THE Jedi killer to show up in a story that is literally a Jedi trying to survive after Order 66. Great vid but that’s an horrendous take

Wake me up when when we finally get a custom jedi character on modern systems

I liked the game, but yeah, my biggest issue was exactly Vader's fight, had to repeat it like seven times and when finally did, was so annoying Cere dies. I was like hell no, all my time for that crap!? Still like the game and wanna see what's next on Cal, Merrin, Kata and Greez.

Ok you lost me at the point where you said the map was useful. It is NOT. At one point I got stuck in the Lukrehulk and went in circles for like half an hour due to the games annoying insistence of blocking paths or making them mostly one way, I had to kill myself so I got respawned at a meditation point so I could fast travel away and for that I first had to change the difficulty because I switched to story mode since the fighting became bothersome. Overall the entire experience was mid at best and terrible in some places where I won't even bother with the sequel, with Fallen Order I at least had the hope that Survivor wilould improve things and felt invested enough to see what it would bring but with the third game this is not the case the bad things stayed the same and some of the mediocre parts just got worse

I like your review though I disagree with you about Dagan. He was the weakest part of the game and his motivation was terrible. He fell to the Darkside because he couldn't train Jedi on Tanalorr

this is a stretch , but it would be cool if they added starkiller in game instead of vader ; gave em' some extra praise i feel.

My biggest gripe with Jedi Survivor have to be the villains. So disappointing, so lazy, so predictable and flat. Dagan Gera, the more interesting of the bunch, turned out to be just a whiny primadonna who's entire character can be summed up as "Muh Tanalorr". No ulterior motives, no attempt at trying to sway Cal to his cause. No, just endless screaming and throwing tantrums about the Jedi not letting use his secret playground in the deadly nebula. He did absolutely nothing to improve the already abysmal reputation of the High Republic. The other is Bode. I knew from the start he was gonna betray Cal, there's just no way you introduce this random new guy who acts so buddy-buddy with the protagonist without him having ulterior motives. I didn't expect him to be a former Jedi working for the Empire, but he was such an obvious red flag, I was taken out of the game the moment he killed Cordova. And this betrayal doesn't exactly add anything, nor did I care that he did it for his family, because he became too unredeemable to be pardoned in any way. As for Vader showing up, at this point I don't care anymore. Disney has already cheapened him by making him this unbeatable Force God that always faces off against fodder. In fact, I was happy that for once they made Cere being able to damage him.

If you don't like Vader showing up here then you really won't like him potentially showing up in the 3rd game to face Cal (a jedi who escaped him the first time). Things were only going one way for Cere and knowing the inquisitors wouldn't be a match for her. Vader is the number 1 jedi killer in period between episodes 3 - 6. Oh and Cere is using force healing as opposed to stims.

The thing about Tony Gilroy's run of Andor is: he's not a Star Wars fanboy. He's just interested in telling a story about an interesting set of characters in a particular universe with particular vibes and rules.

The real sith lord is disney, and their apprentice EA

you just like me for real. nah after the vader fight, I just finished on easy. Great video

I think the Vader's appearance in games still has a role to play and Fallen Order did a good job conveying this: He should be this overwhelming embodiment declaring that "No matter how strong the character has become, they're ultimately just a disposable extra when they encounter the likes of Vader and the full attention of the empire". He should serve as a stick in the ground giving perspective to ensure the player is never left feeling like their own character could've just done what Luke Skywalker did. I feel like this is actually why Starkiller dropped off in the later stages of his game imo anyway, he turns from a small part in a larger picture to the big boss just so the player can get a chance to best established characters.

it be cool if we could get like some kind of imperial vice admiral or something like that as a main villian for a star wars game

Yes I agree it wasn't a masterpiece not like hogwarts legacy which is a masterpiece and I'm still playing it once of my all favourite games ever released apart from the quidditch world cup game

I hated the first game and won't play the second one.

I totally agree about the cheapening inclusion of Vader. In the first one, it made an amount of sense for Vader to show up at least briefly, because the ongoing issue of the inquisitors had a direct connection to Him. And there are numerous examples in lore of Him stepping in when his Inquisitors were not getting the job done. I've not played Survivor, but in how you recounted it, I never saw anything that would build toward a revelation of his involvement or even notice. That should have been something sprinkled in or set up storywise, if they intended to do that at some point. Make it make sense that he even cares, or has been tracking the other bad guys with interest or something like that. I agree that it really seems like that star player who has 3 great quarters and then gets in his own head near the end and loses confidence, despite being in the lead.

so right about the vader fight

I agree with you about this one. I do like Jedi Survivor, but the story didn't have the same clean narrative and catharsis JFO did. There's a bit too much going on, too many villains, too many false climaxes, too many major deaths. I don't think I would have minded Vader's appearance if he was in fact the central villain of the story from the beginning. I could imagine Vader having a grudge against Cal for escaping during the last game. But shoehorning him in as an extended boss battle seemed like a distraction rather than enhancement to the story.

Assassin’s Creed Origins had the exact same issue with allowing customization. You spend hours customizing Bayek to your play style and then get hit with Aya. Game devs need to stop forcing characters with fixed abilities into games that allow customization

I felt your anger on that Vader fight. That was some extreme B's out of nowhere...like I was hyped when he popped up...then he kept popping up over and over

7:15-7:20. The “Metroid Prime” structure level design you mentioned is sometimes referred to as a “Metroidvania”. The whole “backtracking once you have the correct item and/or traversal upgrade” thing. Just trying to help in case you needed a more simplified way to explain what you were talking about, “Metroidvania” will usually get your point across even though these games are traditionally and typically side-scrollers, this level design is also seen in games like Dark Souls, Metroid Prime and obviously all the Castlevania and Metroid games.

Good review but I hard disagree on the Vader fight, relying on familiar characters can and has held certain Star Wars stories back but essentially calling something "Nostalgia Bait" (no matter how many words you use to say it) is lazy critique. I think it was a really good use of Vader because the moment he opens the door you know that Cere is just buying time by sacrificing herself, If anyone else came through there wouldn't be that same futile sense of dread. I think it put a bow on her story (not necessarily a nice one) by giving her the rematch, then in her last moments, the first person she thinks of was Trilla, who Vader killed in the last game. I also think it was a cool way to illustrate Bode's position, where he essentially double crosses both us and his boss in a way that makes sense by pitting both us and the ISB against Vader while Bode gets away from everyone he was tied down to; Vader wasn't just there by narrative coincidence but because in universe it's actually really clever for Bode to use the Inquisitorius in that way. If we fought him as Cal, then I'd agree; It'd just feel cheap for Cal to walk away from a Vader fight. Either way I'm Subbing