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2024 JKA Norwegian National Championship - Men Individual Kumite Finals
JKA Norwegian National Championship
27th April, 2024 - Bergen, Norway
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Kristoffer Mjøs Hansen
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2024 JKA Norwegian National Championship - Men Individual Kata Finals
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JKA Norwegian National Championship 27th April, 2024 - Bergen, Norway LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...become a channel supporter maybe... RESULTS 1 Kristoffer Mjøs Hansen 42,2 points (Stord karateklubb) 2 Henning Johannessen 40,9 points (LyderhornKarateklubb) 3 Runar AskJohannessen 40,8 points (Lura karateklubb) SUPPORT PATREON - 5 USD or EUR Do these contents worth your support? Please b...
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JKA Norwegian National Championship 27th April, 2024 - Bergen, Norway LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...become a channel supporter maybe... RESULTS 1 Ingrid Skodvin Mjåtvedt (Bjørgvin karateklubb) 2 Yuniar Wanda (Bærum SKK) 3 Maren Aamodt (Arna Karateklubb) 3 Marte SkodvinMjåtvedt (Bjørgvinkarateklubb) SUPPORT PATREON - 5 USD or EUR Do these contents worth your support? Please become a Patr...
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JKA Norwegian National Championship 27th April, 2024 - Bergen, Norway LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...become a channel supporter maybe... RESULTS 1 Marte Skodvin Mjåtvedt 42,5 points (Bjørgvin karateklubb) 2 Ida Engelberg 42,4 points (Stange Karate Klubb) 3 Ingrid Skodvin Mjåtvedt 41,7 points (Bjørgvinkarateklubb) SUPPORT PATREON - 5 USD or EUR Do these contents worth your support? Please...
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The 26th JKA European Championships 6th of April, 2024 Gent, Belgium LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...so I can buy more cameras 🙂 RESULTS 1 ENGLAND (HYDE JOSH, CASSIDY SHAUN, AMONULLOEV AKBARSHOKH, LANGRIDGE HARRISON) 2 CZECH REPUBLIC (BOSAK ONDREJ, BABOR MAREK, LOZSI MARTON, LEV SIMON) 3 FRANCE (MANDAGOT GUILLAUME, KOM BIALE GUYMUSTAPHA, PISSIS CÉDRIC, HAFSOUNI AMIR) 3 GERMANY (EBIDA TARE...
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The 26th JKA European Championships 6th of April, 2024 Gent, Belgium LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...so I can buy more cameras 🙂 RESULTS 1 CZECH REPUBLIC (VEDRAL LEOS, HAVLIK JAKUB, PETRZILEK KRYSTOF, KREJCAR JIRI) 2 DENMARK (WAHLGREN MARCUS, RASMUSSEN BROR, MARTIN SIMONKNUDSEN, ANTHONIPILLAI DANIEL) 3 SWITZERLAND (VARGA REGÖ, MEYER LINUSGABRIEL, LOSER NOAH, ANCONA SAMUELE) 3 BELGIUM (RAB...
The 26th JKA European Championship - Senior Men Team Kata Finals
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The 26th JKA European Championships 6th of April, 2024 Gent, Belgium LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...so I can buy more cameras 🙂 RESULTS 1 SWITZERLAND (MÜLLER TOBIAS, LÜTHI BENJAMIN, HUNZIKER MIKE) 2 CZECH REPUBLIC (BENES DANIEL, NOVAK TOMAS, ADAM LUKAS) 3 GERMANY (MAST PASCAL, GKARNETA HAKAN, MATSUDA RICO) 4 BELGIUM (GALET MAXIME, CARUSO MATHIS, BUCHINSKIY PHILIPPE) SUPPORT PATREON - 5 U...
The 26th JKA European Championship - Junior Men Team Kata Finals
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The 26th JKA European Championships 6th of April, 2024 Gent, Belgium All junior finals were recorded with phones, quality may be lower than the senior finals sorry for that. LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...so I can buy more cameras 🙂 RESULTS 1 SERBIA (SAVIC NEMANJA, SIMIC LAZAR, DJORDJEVIC ALEKSANDAR, NEDELJKOVIC DJORDJE) 2 CZECH REPUBLIC (TRISKA TOMAS, VASEK RICHARD, CHARVAT ONDREJ) 3 PO...
The 26th JKA European Championship - Senior Ladies Team Kumite Finals
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The 26th JKA European Championships 6th of April, 2024 Gent, Belgium LIKE - SHARE - COMMENT - SUBSCRIBE ...so I can buy more cameras 🙂 RESULTS 1 NORWAY (WANDA YUNIAR NINDA, MJAATVEDT MARTE SKODVIN, MJAATVEDT INGRID SKODVIN) 2 GERMANY (REIN MICHAELA, JAFFAL MAHASSEN, SIEGER CAROLINE, BEVIER EMILY) 3 CZECH REPUBLIC (TESAROVA KRISTYNA, JEŠETOVÁ SÁRA, ZUCEK MAGDALENA ANNE) 3 BELGIUM (ITALIA AGALIA,...
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Komentáře

  • @theeye8605
    @theeye8605 Před 22 dny

    oss! i am competing in it category 9-11 im 11 yrs old purple belt going to brown belt sunday tomorrow gonna do gojoshiho sho in finals team is jka marikina shotokan oss! i also mastered heian shodan-godan tekki- kanku dai and gojoshiho sho oss!

  • @rufa
    @rufa Před 23 dny

    I will participate. Looking forward

  • @diosdadoapias
    @diosdadoapias Před 26 dny

    These boastful latino have fought a low grade Japanese karateka and he is acting boastfully. he should compete in the All Japan Karate Kumite.

  • @nhattran536
    @nhattran536 Před měsícem

    Oss

  • @orapelengmotlhapisi
    @orapelengmotlhapisi Před měsícem

    What's the last kata done by a lady on that mountain forgot it

  • @adamwojciechowicz2036
    @adamwojciechowicz2036 Před měsícem

    Nie ma w tym nawet namiastki prawdziwej walki. Balecik. Jak to z pogardą mówili o nas, trenujących shotokan, karatecy kyokushinkai.

  • @jsmacdonald23
    @jsmacdonald23 Před měsícem

    Excellent JKA kumite, both from the competitors and the officials. Very good matches.

  • @eduardobueno5786
    @eduardobueno5786 Před měsícem

    Boas lutas! Arbitragem mais ou menos! Japonês solta um peido e é ponto.

  • @THIAGOADRIANOFLEMMING
    @THIAGOADRIANOFLEMMING Před 2 měsíci

    Vídeo sensacional!

  • @Eleven132
    @Eleven132 Před 2 měsíci

    You sure this is JKA. Looks like WKF dancing.

  • @rassmusnavasjimenez2149
    @rassmusnavasjimenez2149 Před 2 měsíci

    Es mucho mejor el karateca japonés como el doble

  • @bogse
    @bogse Před 2 měsíci

    Yoko is jumping too much making her very unbalanced. I cant understand why they do this in WKF since it only leads to poorer performance. Look at old JKA masters or even Bruce Lee, they dont jump since it pointless, totally useless waste of energy and balance.

  • @cristianodiego1859
    @cristianodiego1859 Před 2 měsíci

    Talvez por causa do estilo, mas, a equipe brasileira se movimentava muito pouco. Já a adversária, notoriamente, mostrou muita movimentação.

  • @clgftc
    @clgftc Před 2 měsíci

    nice!!! OSS

  • @dariohughes5121
    @dariohughes5121 Před 2 měsíci

    Excelente el profesionalismo Argentino!!.orgulloso como Karateca..

  • @AlenaHumble-oz2tl
    @AlenaHumble-oz2tl Před 3 měsíci

    Do you also have the final of belgium?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 2 měsíci

      Hi Alena, all the finals are on the channel now.

  • @user-tw4fr4cf1n
    @user-tw4fr4cf1n Před 3 měsíci

    Luta feia da p o r r a

  • @alexs2835
    @alexs2835 Před 3 měsíci

    If the fat dude in the first fight beat one of the all star Japanese kumite masters, I still have a hope in Shotokan.... 🤣🤣🤣🤣

  • @sonjieu
    @sonjieu Před 3 měsíci

    Hello, do you have the Semi-Finals of this category? If so could you post it? Thanks.

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      I only took full videos of the finals ;( Semi final actions might show up later on in the Shorts.

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

    Thank you for posting! I'm sorry but was is there a draw? England won the first match, The Second was a Draw and Czech Won the last. And why was the second match a Draw? Eng was leading with a Wazari but He had stepped outside (Jogai) 3 times, right? So, isn't the Czech supposed to win? I didn't understand that

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Hey Isaac, That was a bit of a complicated match. 1st round: England wins by ippon. 2nd round: became a draw due to all penalties England got... That's possible according to the rules, but can be argued, since they had a point. Last stepping out was after time, didn't count (that would have been an ippon win to Czech Republic though). 3rd round: Czech Republic wins with a waza ari Summary England: 1 win, Czech Republic 1 win, in a situation like this the ippon wins count more, therefore England is the Champion.

    • @beatrizlacerda4662
      @beatrizlacerda4662 Před 3 měsíci

      Hi Isaac, yes he stepped out but he still had scored a wazari. Overall England won because a win by ippon is worth more than a win by wazari

    • @Isaac_Shamir
      @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

      @@beatrizlacerda4662 Hi, thank you for the answer. Isn't it an automatic loss if someone step out 3x? And Was there an Ippon?

    • @beatrizlacerda4662
      @beatrizlacerda4662 Před 3 měsíci

      @@Isaac_Shamir If jogai hansoku is given yes that leads to disqualification. However, the main judge only gave 2 jogai warnings (and 2 muboubi warnings). As for the ippon, it was scored by England in the first match (with the jodan kick). So in this case the main referee decided to take that into account and award victory to England

    • @Isaac_Shamir
      @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

      Oh, I see, thank you very much!

  • @clgftc
    @clgftc Před 3 měsíci

    congratulations!!

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

    What happened in the first match?

  • @draganmaric7132
    @draganmaric7132 Před 3 měsíci

    Do not play karate clips if there is no slow motion. Nothing looks like this to you.

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for your message - I might re-edit some videos to hear more reaction. You're absolutely right, sometimes it's REALLY difficult to see the point.

  • @RageYourSoul
    @RageYourSoul Před 3 měsíci

    How did shiro win that final

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for your comment - difficult decision, upon watching the video I feel the 2nd point was an aiuchi, they hit at the same time... but shiro started the attack and her punch was closer to the referee - he decided shiro was first.

  • @AlenaHumble-oz2tl
    @AlenaHumble-oz2tl Před 3 měsíci

    Ilana De Craene🇧🇪💪🏻

  • @AlenaHumble-oz2tl
    @AlenaHumble-oz2tl Před 3 měsíci

    Norah Hähnel🇧🇪💪🏻

  • @auros1
    @auros1 Před 3 měsíci

    Very NICE video👊👍👍

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Appreciated - more to come! All Junior and Senior Finals are rolling out in the next couple of days.

  • @iamalonewolf1
    @iamalonewolf1 Před 3 měsíci

    I finally made it to one of your videos!!! I´m in the background though haha. OSS!!! What a great tournament

  • @catfood_03_4stray
    @catfood_03_4stray Před 3 měsíci

    2:23-2:25 the red is trying to block the Mawashi-Geri with something like Gedan-Barai comming from the same direction with the kick ! This is a disgrace for Karate-Do at such a high level of competence.

  • @AlenaHumble-oz2tl
    @AlenaHumble-oz2tl Před 3 měsíci

    Do you have a video of the junior ladies team kumite, especially the one from belgium?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      I have all the Junior and Senior finals, they're coming as soon as the editing process is finished.

    • @AlenaHumble-oz2tl
      @AlenaHumble-oz2tl Před 3 měsíci

      @@KaratedoFocus thank you!

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

    Are you also posting the semi-final and final match, please?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      All videos of the semi finals and finals are coming soon, I'm working on them.

    • @Isaac_Shamir
      @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

      @@KaratedoFocus Thank you! Oss

  • @Vlr870
    @Vlr870 Před 3 měsíci

    Nada é mais feio do que um campeonato de caráter tradicional, sem falar nas regras e pontos que ninguém entende nem o juízes ninguém viu ninguém sabe. Por isso que outros estilos de caratê estão sendo procurados, haja vista, kyokushin

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

    What's the point in being in JKA fighting as WKF?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Hey Isaac, thanks for your comment - well, there are fighting styles suit more to our ideal image of karate, and styles that suit less. The end of the day it's a competition, the one understanding and applying the rules best, the one with the higher technical skills and the one with the stronger spirit wins the match. Whether it's ippon shobu or WKF.

    • @Isaac_Shamir
      @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

      @@KaratedoFocus I agree that in the end of the day that's only a competition however the Japanese Shobu have a very important identity for the world of Karate and for many Karatekas it stands as the very opposite of what Olympic WKF matches represent. JKA and WKF are totally different, it's not only about scoring points, because every amateur sport is about scoring points, the philosophy is different, the fundamentals, the whole thing is so different.

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 3 měsíci

    I watched that second Wazari 5 times in 0,25x and that was a clear mistake of the judges. Haga (JPN) missed the punch and the other guy landed a jodan zuki.

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      That's why these archives can be so valuable, we all can analyze and learn from the mistakes.

  • @onej2166
    @onej2166 Před 4 měsíci

    1.0:42 Femic 飛び上段突き 有効 2.0:52 Femic 見事な中段払いから上段突き Ogataも2撃目の上段突き 体が同時と見て両者ポイント無し 3.1:48 Femicの掛け蹴り Ogataのガードミスを誘い有効 4.1:57 Femic 回し蹴り 有効   全体的にFemicがOgata よりもアグレッシブだったように思う。一番の見所は0:52 Femicのガードとアタック(無門会風に言うと受即攻)

  • @pdesbois69
    @pdesbois69 Před 4 měsíci

    can anyone pls tell me why that mae geri from Brannan at 0:59 (which landed, causing Imamura to retreat) di NOT count?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Great power of the judges comes with great responsibility....

    • @MrNikoGreek
      @MrNikoGreek Před 3 měsíci

      No snap back bad form. Even if in it wasn’t as effective. Remember even a wazare is 90% ippon.

    • @pdesbois69
      @pdesbois69 Před 2 měsíci

      @@MrNikoGreek ok, thx. often competition kumite allows whatever to be valid that we even forget this basci concept.

    • @TheSomnathchatterjee
      @TheSomnathchatterjee Před měsícem

      See if Judges think it was blocked attack and was not that effective,,,, they can eliminate anything by the way,,, front view and back view can b tricky ,,, often I thought there was a score ,,,, all three other judges took oath that no contact happened in proper place ,,,, so-------

  • @user-dc7lv5gm9d
    @user-dc7lv5gm9d Před 4 měsíci

    Good Performance ..Dynamics

  • @paulteare5859
    @paulteare5859 Před 4 měsíci

    Moves so well for big man

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Even better when you get the privilige to see him live :)

  • @ModdedControllers
    @ModdedControllers Před 5 měsíci

    Im competing in it i go tommorow to try qualify

  • @Philmoscowitz
    @Philmoscowitz Před 5 měsíci

    That first point by LaGrange was masterful!

  • @pedropablofernandez9283
    @pedropablofernandez9283 Před 5 měsíci

    Que equipo japones tan malo. Son unas niñas.

  • @nandi123
    @nandi123 Před 5 měsíci

    This bears no resemblance to what we did in the 70s.

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      ...and imagine how they feel who fought in the 50s :))

  • @takeshiromero1945
    @takeshiromero1945 Před 5 měsíci

    El kata originalmente es del maestro ankoh itosu del estilo shurite, se denomina kosokun dai.

  • @Isaac_Shamir
    @Isaac_Shamir Před 5 měsíci

    If there was a draw, why Japan won?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      The judges have the right to decide based on the overall performance... I agree, it's a risky decision.

  • @catfood_03_4stray
    @catfood_03_4stray Před 5 měsíci

    To block a kick you need to combine both hands. In order to have flexible waist for this your front leg should be in the air. In Karate they teach only deep rooted stances with the feet wide apart from each other and this is a mistake. They are afraid to leave the ground.

  • @ryanbosch508
    @ryanbosch508 Před 6 měsíci

    I love the style of JKA its real fighting not playing around like wtf or the sht.. only problem is the last fight that guy clearly moved into his punch he should have got a ippon. But all there karateka are very well trained and shows that karate is all about

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 3 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for your comment! I believe they deserve the compliment.

  • @jksargentina
    @jksargentina Před 6 měsíci

    hello, Do you have images of the Argentine team from that tournament?

    • @KaratedoFocus
      @KaratedoFocus Před 6 měsíci

      Thanks a lot for your comment. Not sure, the video I have is pretty much focused on the Japanese team.

  • @auros1
    @auros1 Před 6 měsíci

    Super CZ team....jste borci...klucíí

  • @kennethrogers1129
    @kennethrogers1129 Před 6 měsíci

    You never see a defensive front leg kick against these simple one-two combos, flinch,turn their head , and get hit. Reverse punch again and again. Throw a front leg kick to stop that attack then follow up!

  • @user-oo3ji2dd7w
    @user-oo3ji2dd7w Před 6 měsíci

    At that time the shotokan made us believe in a single shot. This is why they put the rules in place on the sidelines. Today we realize that everything is false. Fortunately, full contact karate (for example kyokushinkai) saves the honor of karate

    • @TiagoPortas
      @TiagoPortas Před 5 měsíci

      What are you talking about? Todome Waza is legit, we see it happen in MMA, just like Mc Greggor did against Jose Aldo amd many other fighters, specially the ones that have Karate background. Shotokan is about distancing management, timing and power.

    • @edpone8600
      @edpone8600 Před měsícem

      @@TiagoPortas Yup, Kyokushin has no punching to the face either. The guys just stand in the pocket pounding each other in the mid section and then someone wheel kicks you. Do that MMA and you will get taken down in 2 seconds. Shotokan movement is actually good. Machida already proved it a decade ago.