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That makes sense! Thanks for pointing it out! - We've came to this conclusion down in the comments about the math problem 😆

Hi there! Thank you for your comment. Here are some excellent free resources to get you started: 1. Oregon State University's Intro to Permaculture: workspace.oregonstate.edu/course/free-introduction-to-permaculture This free course covers the basics of permaculture and is a good starting point for beginners. Websites and Blogs 3. Permaculture Research Institute: www.permaculturenews.org/ Offers a wealth of articles, videos, and resources on various permaculture topics. 4. Permies.com: A community-driven site with forums, articles, and videos on permaculture and sustainable living. 5. Permaculture Principles: permacultureprinciples.com/ Offers free downloadable guides and resources on permaculture design principles. If you would like a personalized guide, consider joining our paid membership program at join.granvisio.com/. With this membership, you'll gain exclusive access to our Discord community, where you can get your questions answered daily. Prices start at €10 a month. Additionally, in Premium tier you can benefit from webinars and Q&A sessions that dive deep into permaculture design methods and practical tips. This interactive environment will empower you with the knowledge and resources needed to successfully apply permaculture to your area. Let me know if you have any questions!

I'm sorry that this is your impression from the video, but I haven't stated that the two are incompatible. In fact I encouraged to rely on permaculture strategies in combination with syntropic farming especially in Mediterranean and arid climates, because good water management practices are so crucial in these climates. I have nothing against syntropic farming. It's a wonderful approach. I've just seen people missing out going straight for row plantation according to syntropic farming forgetting how they will get water to the site with the least amount of effort (in Permaculture you don't plant until all water systems are in place). In climates where it pours constantly this is not a big issue.

@@granvisio apologies if I seemed to imply that I thought they were incompatible, I was just curious of ways that the two methods might be combined to get even better results. Thank you for explaining more details, I think I better understand now

@@Kavukamari No apologies needed. These topics are complicated and it's difficult to relay all the information in a short video. That's why I am grateful for the comments and questions. If you have more, please don't hesitate to ask.

Yep and it's totally okay. In Permaculture people sometimes till the ground too or use Yeomans plow, which is non-invasive kind of ploughing, but the most important thing is in later stages of site development the rich, fluffy tops soil is developed. I wish the conventional farmers will wake up one day and see what they are missing out.

@@granvisio Its because both are labor intensive in comparison to monoculture. But permaculture and syntropic (agriforestation) are the future.

You're welcome! Thanks a lot for posting the comment and for watching!

Hi Filip! Thank you for the comment and sharing your experience. My intention wasn't to portray syntropic farming as a competitor to permaculture. In fact, I encouraged to combine the two systems especially if people live outside the tropics. I view Permaculture's water management strategies as unbeatable very first step to developing a site. This requires people to be super patient as they are keen to plant the trees straight away. While establishing syntropic food forest alone could work on sites where water is scarce, it sometimes may require so much more effort to keep the plants alive or bring the water in a complicated and costly way. Permaculture could fix these issues right from the beginning. That's why you don't see syntropic farming cases in deserts, but you see permaculture food forests in deserts. It doesn't mean syntropic farming is worse than Permaculture. I said both are wonderful systems, restoring the soil's health, increasing biodiversity and so much more. But we have to be realistic on sites where the conditions are harsh.

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Sure thing! Thanks for your comment. Both systems can be applied at the same time and people do it successfully. I was warning against relying just on syntropic farming in climates other than tropical or subtropical. I think people would really struggle in a desert, for a example, without applying permaculture strategies suited to a desert.

That's awesome you've learned about pioneer and nitrogen fixing trees from Ernst. The first Permaculture Guides with this info were published in 1978 and 1979 by the Permaculture founder Bill Mollison. The books are called Permaculture 1 and Permaculture 2.

@granvisio what whas new to me is the density ernst plants. In the line i did, trees are 10cm apart about 30species in total. fruits are asimina Diospyrus prunus crataegus and castanea And suport species Populus Salix Alnus Hippophae Mackia amurense Carangana Ulmus Idesia Liriodendron Betulus quercus Abies Laris Pinus Picea Pseudozuga Platanus Ficus Morus

@@swiss_arborist_barmetbaump3817 Thank you so much for sharing! For others reading your comment, can you mention your USDA hardiness zone - it may be useful for them.

@granvisio my hardines zone is around 5 to 6.

It is indeed! Thank you for watching!

Thank you Carrie for watching and for leaving the comment. I appreciate your time!

Thanks for summarizing the awesome benefits of using a scythe!

Thanks for sharing this example, which demonstrates the versatility of swales even in wet conditions!

Thanks for watching!

Thank you for watching! Appreciate the comment!

@@granvisio hope it spreads cause It is a wonderful system

Thanks for the feedback!

Totally agree, I think you would benefit a lot consulting syntropic practitioners in your region, and I can assure your are gonna love it as a key philosophy to truly complement all the beautifull permaculture insights, they come from the same observations and experiencies!

Thanks for sharing the advice!

Thanks so much for the comment. Appreciate it!

@@granvisio Thank you for the quality educational and inspirational content!

I'm thinking also about the Miyawaki method. It would be interesting to see Miyawaki, syntropic, and permaculture all compared and contrasted, or to see all three applied or combined on one site. Thank you again for the information and food for thought!

Thanks for sharing your thoughts!

@@normanvasquez5968 To summarise Syntropic farming as a “recipe for planting forests” is very far from the truth. I can see how it might be viewed like that from an outside and uninformed position, but nothing in the philosophy of Syntropics talks about it beings aimed towards growing forests.

@@SpibsTV Enlighten me please, because certainly all I have done is watch some CZcams videos and fast-read the Abundance Agroforestry guidebook made for Haiti. What I am missing?

@@normanvasquez5968 I will certainly do my best to shed a little more light on the subject, but there are people that could do it far more justice than me. Although Syntropics can certainly result in growing forests, and in a lot of cases that will be a product of the practice, it is more focused towards returning humans to their function within the ecosystem, and as a result, use practices that align with the structure of nature to benefit not just ourselves but the macro organism that is earth as a whole. If you watch any of the content where Ernst Gotsch, the founder of Syntropics, talks about it, you might see that calling it “a recipe for planting forests” is doing it a disservice. Hope this helps

Thanks for the comment, feel free to share here publications on adopting syntropic farming to temperate and arid regions here so people can read more information.

There is myth that syntropic famirng its only for tropical climates because it was firstly developed in Brazil, but Ernst comes from Swizterland and talks a lot about how he took the knowledge that his parents teach him doing agroforestry systems wich was the way to do agricuture in those places before the green revolution, the second thing is that the main knowledge about food forests comes from the developments in the UK and are in temperate climate. Syntropic agriculture is a set of principles that can be used to create a food forest, a ecological restoration project, a comercial agricultural enterprice, and works in every climate. Please look out for more experiences from mediterranean and temperate climate if you want to know how it works there. The last thing is that the planting in lines its maynly because in the near future the intensive management of the places makes it more easy, but you can choose to plant in other ways, actually many small projects start with "abundance nests". I think that we should stop doing this comparinsons of things that are from the same side of the coin, permaculture is a vision with a set of principles that guide design of human habitats and syntropic agricultures is a practice that takes the principles and process that nature does to creat healthy ecosystems, when we combine both we have and incredible potential and actually as I mentioned in the comment before all the permaculture principles apply to syntropic agriculture in a very elegant and simple way. A best way to look it is that you have an agricutural systema that connects ecosytem process with human presence, witch to my understanding is exactly what permaculture wants to achieve and its the way many indiginous cultures developed.

Thank for watching and sharing your view!

Thanks for all the info. Ernst Gotsch publications on adopting syntropic farming to other climates seem to missing or unavailable. If you have access to resources guiding people on how to apply this system in other climates than tropical, feel free to share these resources here. I am sure people reading the comments will find it invaluable. Thanks for your input!

Thanks so much for the comment! Glad you enjoyed the video!

Glad it was helpful! Thanks so much for watching!

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I'm in Italy. So, hello neighbor! This is exactly what I was trying to convey. Glad you liked the video. Good luck with your permaculture projects :)

@@granvisio hello neighbor 🙂

*specifically because i would like to focus on native plants, i'll clarify. or endemic. not because i'm moralizing plant types. great work, btw!

@bennyfrohna7675 Hi! It depends on where you live! But it’s unlikely all of these plants would be native to your region. There are Mediterranean climates in different parts of the world and the example of species in this video is a mix of different plants. For example, chicory is native to Europe, while almond tree is native to Iran, dandelion comes from Eurasia, feijoa from South America. But these species adapted well to a Mediterranean climate. The founder of Permaculture, Bill Mollison believed in using species that are well-suited to the local environment and can provide the necessary functions in a permaculture system, regardless of their origin. This often included a mix of native and non-native species to ensure that all ecological niches were filled and that there were multiple species capable of performing essential functions. He specifically valued species that were adaptable and resilient in a given climate and soil type. The ability of a plant to thrive without excessive inputs like water, fertilizers, or pesticides was also crucial. Let me know if you have more questions!

Thanks for the info!

Thank you Michael! Glad you enjoyed the video!

Thank you for sharing! Best of luck with your projects!

Thanks for watching!

Thank you for sharing your perspective. You’re right that permaculture is adaptable and there’s no single, rigid way to implement it. However, permaculture is guided by core ethics and design principles that help define what qualifies as permaculture practice. The fundamental ethics of permaculture-care for the earth, care for people, and fair share-inform the design principles and choices within a permaculture system. These principles encourage practices that enhance ecological health and sustainability. While permaculture is flexible in its application, anything that significantly contradicts these ethics or principles, such as extensive use of synthetic fertilizers, herbicides, or practices that cause long-term environmental harm, falls outside the scope of what is considered true permaculture. Permaculture avoids synthetic inputs and extensive tilling because they can undermine soil health and biodiversity, which are crucial for creating resilient and sustainable systems. That said, minimal and strategic tilling can sometimes be justified, particularly in the early stages of establishing a permaculture site. In essence, permaculture is about working with nature, making informed and ethical choices, and designing systems that are regenerative and self-sustaining. It’s a balance of flexibility and adherence to its guiding principles, ensuring that all practices support the long-term health and resilience of the environment.

@@granvisio where is the permaculture ethics of a few plants in pots in a balcony? Swales (and ponds) badly done can damage the land. As can introducing invasive species...and let it go uncontroled, like happens often in permaculture sites. This and other examples can be as badly some "conventional" pratices. Even defining what is "earth care" can become an endless philosofical discussion... From my house i see a big agriculture valley, farmed for about 8 centuries, that was subject to all kinds of agriculture (and non agro) pratices, intensive ones, and chemical ones...the parts that are abandon for 15 years become a forest! Would we call it a case of centuries old good "earth care"? When you say : "the true" permaculture...already means theres no definition. If it was clear this kind of religious language would be unnecessary. Althou i consider myself a permaculturist im out of business so i do not care about labels and brand wars. Its just funny. And i liked your video.

First, I am glad you enjoyed the video and I am happy to respond to your comment and shed more light. Regarding the ethics of a few plants in pots on a balcony: Permaculture ethics-care for the earth, care for people, and fair share-can be applied at any scale. A small balcony garden might seem insignificant, but it embodies the principles of using available resources wisely, reducing food miles, and promoting biodiversity, even if on a small scale. It’s about the mindset and intention behind the actions. It's true that poorly implemented swales, ponds, or the introduction of invasive species can cause harm. These mistakes are often due to a lack of proper planning, knowledge, or experience, rather than an inherent flaw in permaculture principles or ethics. Just as in conventional agriculture, the outcome depends heavily on the skill and knowledge of the practitioner. The aim in permaculture is to continuously learn and adapt to prevent such issues, prioritizing ecosystem health. Defining "earth care" can indeed be complex and nuanced. While it can lead to philosophical discussions, the core idea is to foster practices that support long-term ecological balance and health. The fact that abandoned agricultural land can revert to forest illustrates nature's resilience and the potential for recovery, but it doesn't necessarily equate to proactive "earth care" as advocated in permaculture, which guides people to work harmoniously with nature from the outset. When I refer to "true" permaculture, I mean practices that align closely with its core ethics and design principles. While permaculture is flexible and adaptable, its foundation lies in these principles and it is my duty as certified Permaculture Designer to teach about them. So I used the term "true permaculture" to differentiate practices that genuinely seek to embody these principles from those that might misuse the label for practices that do not align with permaculture's ethos. Permaculture is framework for sustainable living and agriculture that aims to foster resilience and ecological health. It’s understandable that people have different interpretations and applications, but the core principles remain a valuable guide. Thank you for engaging in this conversation.

​@@granvisio its nice to have an open discussion on a subject we love. Your videos are very well done, i really like them. Tanks.

Thank you!

I realize that the term social justice is political, but Permaculture being a holistic approach includes principles that extend beyond agriculture and land use to encompass social and economic systems as well. Permaculture's ideas challenge the way we currently organize society and the economy. If we learn from nature, we should rethink our economic and social systems to fit within natural systems, making everything more resilient. By understanding how nature works, we can change how people interact and organize to be more adaptable, fair, and beneficial for everyone. I believe permaculture intersects with social justice with its core ethics, especially, people care and fair share. People Care ethic emphasizes the importance of looking after people, promoting well-being, and ensuring that everyone has access to resources necessary for a good quality of life. Fair Share focuses on the fair distribution of resources and the idea that surplus should be returned to the system to support Earth Care and People Care. This includes sharing knowledge, resources, and opportunities to ensure equity and justice.

It's unfortunate that you let politics get in the way of something like this. I was a lifelong conservative voter who also happens to be environmentally conscious and would get grief from other conservatives for using the word sustainable in discussion. Absolutely ridiculous BS, and if people don't wake up and see the actual message behind the politicized words, this world is only going to continue to fall apart. And the only people this crap benefits are those who gain financially or politically from the intentional division being sown.

Hi there! Thank you for your comment. Here are some excellent free resources to get you started: 1. Oregon State University's Intro to Permaculture: workspace.oregonstate.edu/course/free-introduction-to-permaculture This free course covers the basics of permaculture and is a good starting point for beginners. Websites and Blogs 3. Permaculture Research Institute: www.permaculturenews.org/ Offers a wealth of articles, videos, and resources on various permaculture topics. 4. Permies.com: A community-driven site with forums, articles, and videos on permaculture and sustainable living. 5. Permaculture Principles: permacultureprinciples.com/ Offers free downloadable guides and resources on permaculture design principles. If you would like personalized guide, consider joining our paid membership program at join.granvisio.com/. With this membership, you'll gain exclusive access to our Discord community, where you can get your questions answered daily. Prices start at €10 a month. Additionally, in Premium tier you can benefit from webinars and Q&A sessions that dive deep into permaculture design methods and practical tips. This interactive environment will empower you with the knowledge and resources needed to successfully apply permaculture to your area. Let me know if you have any questions!