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Zantacs isn’t bad, but some of their parts are proprietary unfortunately. I consider them to be similar to the nicer of the current PSA AKs. Some of it just depends what you plan on doing with the rifle and if you plan to modify anything.

It’s actually not bad at all! The combination of the Browning’s muzzle brake and recoil pad make a huge difference. This actually recoils less than an older 270 we have that haze no brake and not much of a recoil pad.

They’re never going to do a non optic ready model, but you can just buy standard height sights for it and have a gunsmith install!

It’s so hard to pick between the Mod 2 and M4 multirail! I actually parted with this older 1301 and bought a new M4. I think the 1301 recoiled much softer and the trigger was so crisp it was almost like a rifle. The Benelli is not like that. However, although they are both owned by Beretta, I still feel the build of the M4 is better. I just picked up a new Mod 2 in store with the factory Mesa Tactical pistol grip and noticed it too was canted. The same issue I had on this 1301! My OCD drives me crazy when the recoil causes the stock to cant and you can tell where it’s supposed to line up with the trigger guard, but it’s off just a bit… I know it’s a petty gripe, but it drove me crazy. Their model with a traditional stock attaches differently and doesn’t have that problem. If I did it over, maybe I’d do something like that or even try their option with the Chisel aftermarket stock.

@@WalterRitchey That chisel mount looks cool i wonder if the recoil is substantially more with that small frame?... I opted not to get the chisel stock because I shoot left handed with a rifle and most folks are righty... with the chisel stock you are limited to one side or the other for the cheek riser... i want something that friends and family can use as well and have fun with.

Yes, if you can find one of the rails, you can put it on an OG and you can put the OG handguard on the new one too.

Briley makes a very nice one. 3 Gun Mloc forend comes in 8” and 13”…

The military clone I’ve seen for $300, anything under $400 for this version is a great buy! Just be aware you may need a little gunsmithing to make it run completely flawless.

Agreed, they didn’t reinvented the wheel. Just a long overdue update of what people were already doing. Nice to have it all ready to go out of the box for first time Benelli owner like myself!

922r is a fraud.

Great feedback, appreciate this!

@WalterRitchey You're doing fine for self-defense. Unless you're using a competition set up on a competition course, the "John Wick" competition style of reload isn't your best bet for an engagement. Reloading from cover or at least concealment with your non firing hand is more important, to get the weapon back in the fight as quickly as possible, even firing from the low ready mid reload, should a threat interrupt you. Topping off as you go, before you're empty, etc. No one active duty is reloading an M1014 Taran Tactical style in CQB. Ultimately, do what you want, but I wouldn't worry too much about how you reload, as long as its done safely, and reliably.

I agree to this. Everyone at my gun shop thought the barrel length was short on this gun, but it shot accurately. As soon as I started breaking in the trigger better and getting over some of the recoil anticipation in my head, it shot some pretty good groups IMO. I know the 509 had striker breakage issues so I’m hoping that has been resolved for this model. I haven’t heard of any issues yet. I saw a couple guys shooting 10mm Glocks and if they limped worsted it even a little, it would have a malfunction. So I will credit FN for making what seems like a totally reliable 10mm offering and at a decent price point.

Oddly enough Apex makes a 509 trigger, but doesn’t advertise anything for the 545 or 510 platforms. As of right now, I believe you’re stuck with the stock. As much as I hated it at first, after 200rd or so I was getting what I consider pretty decent groups considering the caliber and all. It’s definitely usable, but I don’t love it. Also to my understanding, FN doesn’t recommend dry firing their striker guns as it risks breaking the striker. I think that’s a bit absurd, since Glocks, HK, etc don’t have a problem with it. Just kind of depends what you want it for. If it’s a hunting sidearm, the capacity is great especially at the prices I’ve been seeing these at (they were over a grand a year ago… ouch).

I’ve seen the fn510 mrd on gunbroker for $1,000 with an upgraded trigger and comes with the holoson red dot. Just ordered mine haven’t seen it in person yet

@@piristhay5412 interesting! Do you remember who made the trigger? Apex was the popular one for the 509. I figured it was only a matter of time.

I sold my 1301 to fund the M4, but here’s a breakdown. The 1301 caters to what people want in 2024. You can mount what you want, controls are all oversized, ergonomics well thought out, very low recoil, very fast, versatile, just looks and feels great. The M4 is built like a tank - not that the 1301 isn’t reliable in any way, but polymer gun with an aluminum receiver vs the Benelli is no contest. The updated model I have here helps bring the M4 up to modern day with optics mounting, a rail, etc. Some have commented saying this shotgun kicked me around like a little girls and honestly it kind of feels that way too… Maybe it’s just training and fundamentals, but my 1301 with the Mesa Tactical stock and Limbsaver pad had no recoil. You could mag dump buckshot and it was nothing. I’ve had second guessed about whether I made the right decision or if I should’ve bought the newest 1301 Mod 2. I saw one in person last week and I noticed that brand new the stock / pistol grip was slightly canted and didn’t line up with the trigger guard. That was one of my gripes with my 1301. I wanted a pistol grip stock, Mesa Tactical is kind of the go to and what Beretta is using on their factory Mod 2 now. Mine always was coming loose on me. Looks like they still have some kinks to work out. On the other hand, the Benelli has none. You either love it or hate it, but for the price you’re getting the world’s toughest semi auto. They even have two pistons so hypothetically if it got so dirty that one piston malfunctioned it would still run with just the other one. That’s hard to knock. If I bought a second tactical shotgun, I would buy a M3 which is semi auto / pump convertible or an old school 90s M1 Super just because of how smooth they are and the cool factor.

By budget I mean price point, not build! It certainly has some quality components. I do think it had some issues at first, but the malfunctions I had after getting it back from warranty were likely my fault. I wanted to give Tisas another chance and bought one of their new 2011. I’m having so much fun with it that I’m testing it out a bit longer before doing a video, but I’m really happy with it!

I feel so dumb for saying it wrong my whole life lol thanks!

Lol

I used both of those as well as some Wilson Combat 8rd mags I purchased. They performed about the same for me.

@@WalterRitchey Same here.

I’ll have to check on the SKU, but these do not accept chokes. There’s some interesting testing of fixed open bore barrels vs barrels with an open bore choke in it and how they pattern buckshot. It seems like if you don’t need to tighten the choke that you’re better off with something fixed. The cons would be that you can’t thread in a door breach muzzle device or a shotgun suppressor that attaches that way.

Btw way better fourm it seems

My only con ..is definitely the mag seems to not wanna go all the way without that little smack on the bottom. Is that normal for higher capacity guns? If not what may cause that

You seem more comfortable with the 5seven over the rock. You may be squeezing the rock harder since you're familiar with 5seven ..maybe more time and you won't feel much difference between each other

The magazine thing was odd, sometimes I would think it was locked in place and it would pop out. To be safe, I started inserting the magazine with the slide back much like a MP5 reload is done with the bolt locked back. As long as I did that it was good. It’s a little funny I actually like how the Rock grip feels slimmer as opposed to the blockiness of the FN, but I do feel more comfortable with the FN. I’ve handed that gun to a relatively new shooter that had never fired one before and on the first mag he had a great looking group. I think that’s a pretty natural handgun to pick up. I enjoy shooting 22 too, but they get gummed up with lead quickly, the 5.7 are just so clean and reliable they’re fun to practice with! It was easy to burn through some ammo testing it out haha.

@@WalterRitchey how crazy that the problem ... I'm really happy it got corrected..what was the turn around time

NVM, in hearing you only got 1 mag lets me know the answer to my #2 question. How crazy you happen to receive a defect..but It was really the mag not the gun.

It was one of their Blem models, which I didn’t notice any cosmetic blemishes on it. Even after getting it back with a new mag I had a couple hiccups, but they were typically things you could clear quickly. I tested a lot of Fiocchi 40gr fmj as well as some FN 40gr vmax and AAC 40gr fmj. In my FN Five-Seven I’ve also run all three of those ammo types with total reliability (only one malfunction in my time of ownership). I feel like PSA did a good job overall on this handgun. I really don’t like the take down procedure and I do feel like they could’ve spent more time and money on designing higher quality magazines. Overall, they seem like they’re improving quality from where they were years ago. My biggest fear is how high of volume they do and how many different platforms they’re developing at the same time. I’d like to see them really focus on working out any issues with their existing models before moving onto their shotgun project, their 5.7 sub gun, etc.

Yeah, it's hard to let go, but it's time.

lol it’s more ridiculous on smaller guns like the regular P30, but the X300 is a tank so it’s the only model light I currently buy. Have a few of them.

@@WalterRitchey I got ya. I was just goofing on ya.

That’s an awesome value!!

@@WalterRitchey I can’t lie, it took serious patience and watching sales, but it paid off!

Exile armory has them all colors. I think around upper $1400 mod 2.

Great breakdown, love hearing some real world experience with multiple platforms!

The recoil wasn’t great. I learned the hunter blades stance as a kid when we used to shoot skeet in 4H and then didn’t touch a shotgun for many years. I’ll try lengthening the stock and see if that helps!

@@WalterRitchey just sub'd cause I like your attitude bro.