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These people don't know one straight thing about their religion and yet will be the first to condemn the bible they are totally ignorant of. They sound embarrassingly ignorant when they are made to examine its diabolical contents and make damning excuses to defend its hypocrises when the rot is exposed which makes them agree with the bible or get obliterated by Sam. Good Job Sam. Shame on these abdools for defending satan's book.

This guy was spank by Cristian Prince and he wants more spanking

Ths was a waste of time shouting and ...🙆

a audience of millions of people would watch him debate sam but you cant debate the truth only lie about the truth the way the truth and the life amen

People end up in Hell solely due to their poor reasoning skills that dictate their equally poor relationship skills.

In the beginning was the Word and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Cp is doing a great work More strength to your vineyard work

I am your sister from Yemen, and by Allah I only spoke out of hunger and distress. My mother, my brothers, and I lessons and tears. We are in a situation that only God knows about. God is sufficient for us, and He is the best disposer of affairs for those who brought us to this situation. By Allah Almighty, I did not write this appeal out of distress and distress. Poverty, O world, they have felt it So, I hope for you. By Allah Almighty, Lord of the Great Throne, he ate what I had in the house. By Allah, my brothers, he is my brothers by sitting in the house. Who has no food? By God, we are in a very difficult situation. We have 4 people entering the house, and my father has died, and there is no one who can depend on us and who lives in it.We live in a rented house because we cannot pay the rent we owe. '''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''''' ''''''''''''' My brother, my first words are: I swear to God that I will not lie to you or deceive you. I am a Yemeni girl displaced from the war. My family and I live in a rented house in Al-Shahrab 20,000 Yemenis among us, and now we owe 60,000 for 3 months. The owner of the house is one of the people who does not have mercy, by God, my brother. He comes every day, insulting us, talking about us, and moving from the house to the street because we were unable to pay him the rent. The neighbors saw us crying and came back.They came back to talk to the neighbors and we were given the weekend. So we made him swear by God. He will take us out into the street.Have mercy on him and us. Our country is due to this war and we do not find food for our day, and my brothers and I live in a difficult life. Our father died, may God have mercy on him, and we have no one in this world who was with us in these harsh circumstances. My younger brothers went out into the street and saw...The neighbors eat and stand at their door in order to give them bread even if they break it. By God, to whom belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth, they closed the door and expelled them and came back crying. They are dying of hunger. No one has mercy on them and a holiday is returned. I have made a living, and now if one of us helps us with a kilo of flour, I swear to God, I am dying of hunger. My brother, I am an alien to God. Then, I ask you to help me for the sake of God. I ask you, by God, to love goodness and to help me, even if you can, by messaging me on WhatsApp.On this number 00967716649494 and ask for the name of my card and send it and do not be late and may God reward you with all the best, my brothers Sagar, see how they are and help us and save us before they throw us out in the street, you will be lost or we will die of hunger. My family and I ask you, by God, if you are able to help us, do not be late and may God reward you well..`/--~«««~-♡~♡~♡~~•~•~♡~♡~♡~♡~♡~♡♡♡~~~: ~:~¡~¡~¡~;I.i.i.i.i.i. i.I.|-◖˹˛˹▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎▪︎˛˹˛˹˛˹˛˹˛''''''''''''''''''''''''˹˛˹˛˹˛˹˛˹˛˹˛..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،،::..;;،¡•¡¡•••••••¡¡¡¡¡

Steven seagal is fake

Cause he is weak...

Sam and David, If Jesus said that The Holly Spirit comes from The Father, then the Orthodox Creed is closest to the truth than the Chatolic?

Hey. Sorry guys, do you see my messages?

I keep hear the muslim women saying that the coran is saing so many beautifull words about them....Which are those, please???? Because I saw only bad words and situations and disgrace.

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MUSLIMS GETT CONERED WHEN EXPOSED from QUR'AN and they say from HADITHS, because WHEN WE SAY from HADITH, then MUSLIMS DEMAND ONLY QU'RAN MUSLIMS PLAY ACCUSER US LIEING ACTUALLY ALL MUSLIMS LIE they PRACTICE TAQIYYA 🗣️ Allah NEVER DEFENDS his BOOK 📚 📖 Only MUSLIM'S SCHOLARS SPEAK MILLION LIES to Convince, DEFEND 👉Qu'ran Chpt 19:22 to 33 FAULTLESS SON -- ADAM WAS FAULTLESS SON CREATED MAN, AFTER COMMITTING SIN and ALL MEN on the EARTH are SINNERS till the LAST MAN JESUS CAME from ETERNITY into TIME has the WORD of GOD called KALMITULLAH and the SPIRIT of GOD called RUE-ALLAH WHO became FLESH, It's JESUS WHO was BORN through VIRGIN MARY has a FAULTLESS SON of GOD came from ETERNITY into TIME 💥 A HOLY ONE For Humans Like us we are SINNERS DEAD or ALIVE without JESUS in our LIFE we REMAIN SINNER and are HELL 🔥 🔥 BOUND Muhammad is DEAD waiting for JUDGEMENT 🔥 🔥

I lile Jihad..Nice guy

Talking like a clown because he is a clown.

Why your Allah need many attributes?Why your Allah gave his some attributes to your Qasim?What we understood is that your Allah and Mohammed is one person.😂😂😂

They worship Mohammed as God. He has the same attributes like Allah and has 99 names like Allah and his words have the same authority as Allah. Mohammed is Allah. No partnership! He’s one and the same.

Praise God!

The same way God through Apostle Paul you Muslims hate, which he is in heaven, but you and your prophet do not know where you are going.The word of God which Paul address to the Jews who did not believed Jesus Christ as the Messiah because they understand that the Messiah is King therefore they were expecting Him to come from a noble person and Jesus coming from a man who is a carpenter makes them rejected Jesus. Some of their sayings were is it not the son of Joseph the carpenter which we know His brothers and sisters. Little that they didn't know that Christ was not born according to the way mankind came to this world. Their ignorance also kept them to enquires Jesus identity from God. They were aware of Christ miracles that no-one has ever done that in humans history. The same way you Muslims knew in your koran that Jesus was sinless but is impossible for mankind not to commit sin. Mohamed you gays followed that he claimed that he is a last prophet commited a lot of sins. Killings, child marriage, married to a lot of women. No prophet after Jesus married two women not that practice even existed in the Jews any longer because God has taken that from their minds and their hearts. In Romans 3 verse 3 says your unbelieved cannot turn God's word invain this is what Paul told the Jews and the same to anyone who disbelief Jesus is God who came in human form. If you are a Muslim reading this pray using the name Almighty God who created the heavens and the earthad asking, if it is true Christ Jesus is Also says that please help me to come to the truth. Amen. And see the power of God in your life. Muslims are not trying to do this because they don't have any relationship with God and did not hear God in their prayers so they are not making any step to find out the truth. The Bible says anyone who seek God with their whole heart will find Him. So they think they will not get any answer. One thing I ask is, God is Almighty HE created all languages so why you have to pray in one language to God who you consider HE is Almighty. HE do understand every languages so this your shahadah is not teaching or your repeated five times prayer in Arabic is not telling you this is not from God? Why God only understands your prayers in Arabic? The things Mohamed asked you guys to practise are most from the Bible, all of these were shadow to come. It was there till Christ comes to establish the final way of worship. Exodus 30 verse 17-21 were giving to the Priests to wash their feet and hands before entering the tent of the meeting. But now we uses the blood of Jesus to cleanse our sins. So when Mohamed want to cover up his ways then he will add to what he took from the Bible Now to the Jews also why sacrifices of bulls and animals are stopped, is because a better blood that speaks for mankind has shared. God Himself came down as a man to deliver us from the bondage of sin and you rejecting Jesus means that you did not need Gods help. Please read Hebrews 10 the whole chapter and John 1 verse 14-18. It's explain why God came down as man (Christ Jesus).

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Sam Shamoun says he doesn’t know why the Jews rejected Jesus… In the NT, it’s written that they have a veil, it’s God’s will so that gentiles get a chance to know Him and enter His kingdom . In time as Malachi prophesied, they will repent and recognize their God. Jews are our elder brothers, we have the same Father as He confided to Moses and gave him the directive to tell Pharaoh. He was speaking prophetically even then. Jews and saved Gentiles will worship their Father together eventually. The Jews have lost their way because of their traditions, but when they go back to their heavenly Father, He will welcome them with open arms. He loves them ❗️

Very good debate!

Zakir is the greatest lair in history. Nothing but

Zaguir naik wants to go to hell for His devilish faith. He wants to draw many people with Him to hell. ALERT EVERYONE!

Amen, 🙏! Thank you. This a beautiful video and should be shared! God bless you and yours, and I wish the sisters joy on their spiritual journey. They've each other to share their experiences with. God bless them & their families😊! 👑👑👑

I think I ve come round to understanding this guy...he phones not because he wants answers but to listen to himself talking...from site to site it s the same nonsense!!!

Brother take off your mask

This Muslim may be close to being on the straight path to Jesus

Zafir Naik have no balls to debate against Sam Shamoun!

Criticizing Islam is difficult everywhere in the world, even in the West. it is very hard to have a civil conversation; non-offensive, rational, and polite with Muslims can't imagine living in a society where people are literally shunned, lynched, and punished for even criticizing a 1500-year-old ideology. There's a lot of gaslighting among Muslims. They want people to see a different reality than the one written about in the books. …………………. Judge Islam by the Quran (the Word of Allah, the Islamic god) and the Sunnah (sayings, deeds and actions of Muhammad, Founder of Islam and his companions i.e. the Rightly Guided Caliphs, as recorded in Hadith and Sira material). Sira and Sharia law and behaviour of the adherents around the world which Clearly demonstrates being the religion of hate and death. Islam is authoritarian and intolerant. It is no surprise that their adherents would be so inhuman as to celebrate the violent attack against someone they hate The evidence is all around…in the mozlums’ actions and their words. In the face of the manifest weakness of the West, jihadis are emboldened everywhere. "not all muslims" excuse. why some muslims or ex-muslims and non-muslims who aren't in the know use the "not all muslims" excuse. How can those who follow a dangerous ideology, even if they cherry pick, not be capable of committing dangerous or atrocious acts then justify such acts by saying they are permissible in their culture and ideology? True villainy lies not in the commission of evil, but in the denial of it. all non-Muslim countries, refuses to admit the existence of religiously motivated violence when the motivation is Islamic. Islam teaches narcissism and sociopathy; A German psychotherapist estimated the percentage of clinically disturbed muslims to 5o-6o%. Syrian Dr. Wafa Sultan, Ex-Muslima and very famous psychiatrist: “It is not possible to know Koran and Sunna AND to believe in it AND to be a mentally healthy person”. (A God who hates) Islam’s phony god is full of hate and also calls to act on that hate and murder non-Muslims when the chance arises. islam is so incredibly evil. inbreeding can cause all kinds of problems, including physical and mental illness. But most inbred groups are not murderous as is Islam. Inbreeding does not help, but the main problem with Islam is the ideology. ……….. Must read the Islamic books, the Islamic references, the Islamic history itself. See the guided Caliphs themselves who died among them naturally! No one except Abu Bakr, but it was said ,he was poisoned Umar bn alkhatab who they claimed he was just he was murdered. Shia talked about and said that he was a sodomite Ali ibn Abi taleb was murdered while he was going to pray early morning Uthman [Zu Al Nurien] , Aisha said kill him, for he became infidel. Then at the end she went to revenge for him. She was the cause of death more than 40,000 from the companions Al Jamal’s battle. The early muslims were killers what are you proud of? Also the Abbasids, check your books Al Walid was a sodomite. Al Amin and Al Ma’mun each one of them had boys for sex. They applied the immortal young boys on earth before they join Jannah on the prostitution …………. • DON'T REMAIN IGNORANT!!! educate yourself and enlighten others about Islam, how? • Must read the Islamic books, the Islamic references, the Islamic history itself. • all sort of research on islam by eg Dan Gibson, Daniel Brubaker ,Jay Smith ,Dr Alfadi (Saudi researcher, presenter) , Ibn-e-Mariyam ( Urdu) , quranwala formly Suchwala. Nabi Asli ,3-D animations u tube must watch. best graphical representation and authentic references, Moreover upload 50+ language subtitles which is another boon. ........................................................................... Must listen, ex muslims u tubes, presentation and their discussion with others. Many have left Islam through the ex- muslims’ channels of enlightenment and research into the sources . Ex muslims have Rightly exposed/ revealed the Lies, hypocrisies’ & Evils in Islam☪🕋👹 🔫🧨💣for the Good & Peace in Humanity🌏 ex Muslims have to give up a lot, family, friends, customs, even life and head if necessary. This is a good question to ask in Islamic debates when they start saying 'religion of peace' - why do ex-muslims have to hide their name, location and have to be secretive about being ex-muslims unlike other atheists - who don't have to? why is it a club you can never leave? • Here are some Indian and Pakistani -highly educated, knowledgeable: IndianExMuslim :Sahil ,#Sachwala -spent all his life in Saudi Arabia #kohram #zafarheretic #azadground. Pakistani : Amina Sardar , Infidle (Aysha) Noodle or Harris Sultan ,Ghalib Kamal , Afghani Baba • Cross check references. • Some ex muslims of Dawah team like apostate Imams, Gulzar Elia, Sahil , logic Babu and many more know the tactics and deceptions of the islamic scholars as they were one time part of it. They take great risks with their lives to enlighten people and give good deal references for you to verify. While islamic scholars hide the facts, fabricate and manipulate. • Badr, one of the creators of the CZcams series 'The Ex-Imam Show', which features Badr's personal journey from Imam, to Ex-Imam, and finally - to himself. Badr has a PhD in Theology and is a native Arabic speaker. The Ex-Imam Show: czcams.com/channels/rLX.html... • Arabs ex -muslims make great u-tubes in Arabic with English sub-titles, which non arab muslims have either no knowledge and no information of the embarrassing materials or avoid to talk about , hide. To find facts and seek truth, you must read with open mind muhd biography(sira), kuraan with translation, many hadiths and tafsirs as possible. So called holy things are very disturbing and disgusting indeed. The embarrassing facts are mistranslated or not translated. For example Q56:37 Allah Called Muslim Women "Uruban Atraba" عُرُبًا أَتْرَابًا 🔥 urban Atraba" عُرُبًا أَتْرَابً = whore/prostitute, The Arabic word for WHORE is “eahira” as well Wrong translation of 56:37 “Loving, equals in age,” EXTRA INFORMATION: 🎬 Link to Al-Suyuti's Book (on page: 69): tinyurl.com/6m4nx2h2 Ibn Kather in page 372 he says Oroban mean Ghonojat , what does Ghonoj mean in the language? Ghonejat Tagnej means (sucking). Look Dictionary of the language what Taghanoj mean? It means (sucking) the bad word . Orob means prostitute. Which sucking Al Taghanoj that Ibn Kather said Al Orob who us Tatghanaj Urban=عربان Eryan=عریان=naked As it is seen on dot is unintentionally is missed or intentionally being cancelled. Now the meaning is so: Eryan atraban=عریا اترابا=naked breast That is their breasts are naked. For along time slave servant girls even served with naked breast in the banquets of the four firsts of caliphs of muslims and it was a common tradition. in Surah 3, Verse 54 it is written in english Qurans that Allah is the best PLANNER, but in arabic it says "Allah is the best DECEIVER" Please Google Sheikh Wasim: We have Disasters that Muslim Scholars Hide ! الشيخ وسيم يوسف speaks in Arabic. Sub titles are in English I me as human I was raised in their masque. A lot of things the shiekhs are a lot we have disasters in islam religious books. It is there and a lot but mountains of evidence that there are many different Arabic Qur'ans There are 42 arabic qurans, widely available in the open market. 25 English translated, no 2 matched, In Nigeria, Hafs koraan is not allowed, Libya quloon kooran . . As for the "preservation down to the dots" - how would that even be possible??? The earliest Qur'ans were written in a defective abjad. There were no vowel markings. In fact, that abjad did not even have diacritical marks to distinguish one consonant from another. No part of the Qur'an has been lost? Your own Islamic sources say otherwise. What about the verses the sheep ate? ………. Google Watch😅and share. Ibn Taimiya who Left Islam and mocked it.Famous Sheikhs who left Islam. 2 Aug 2022

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allah:the god of islam who cannot even create himself properly. .................... Deformed /disabled./ handicapped/alien/monster allah: allah has a deformed body. Allah has a physical being.. so what the shape made from? ...beyond imagination, beyond visualization...! You have not seen allah so you are imagining allah. Allah is both Cyclops (one eye) and a spider(multiple eyes) with one leg. ...""But don't try to imagine it".... This is stupid and ridiculous.. Maybe he is the result of cousin marriage, that's a reason he is deformed now it makes sense 🤔 So Allah is described to look like a demon. What kind of creature is this Don't think deeply about this ghost figure. Allah has face/4 fingers/ foot/ Shin/ 2 hand in the right side.. 2 eyes. no muslim can answer.. Allah is neither male gender nor female gender then he is definitely transgender 🤔 ................................................. Google Will the Real Allah Please Stand Up (on One Leg)? utube Acts17Apologetics • According to many popular Muslim scholars, Allah has a variety of body parts. But the descriptions of Allah's body parts make him sound horribly deformed. Mufti Abu Layth exposes the absurdity in "Will the Real Allah Please Stand Up (on One Leg)?" Anthony Rogers made this video. Subscribe to Anthony's channel here: czcams.com/users/Ousias1 #Allah #Salafi #MuftiAbuLayth Question How can a DEFORMED CREATURE allah become the CREATOR of the perfect???? ................................. This allah needs blessing as he cannot stand on his own legs. He is so impotent that he needs to be propped up by Jihadis and stealth Jihadis using taqiyya. Little do they understand that the same allah will lead them their hellfire which they preach tirelessly. allah can’t walk due to his only one leg and he needs help from an angle and obviously that angle has to be bigger than him to carry 😆 If allah exist in modern world he could have fix artificial leg to walk. Allah Needs Support? Koran 47:7 O you who have believed, if you support Allah , He will support you and plant firmly your feet. What this shows is that Allah is Muhammad. A real god has no need of support from it's creation. But Muhammad, pretending to be Allah, needs the support of Muhammadans. Allah is weak , he does not deserve to be worshiped. He needs human support for his victory. There is war going on in the sky . Allah is fighting all other Gods. No time for Allah for this world. Allah has delegated the job to Jihadist , Islamist and apologist to do job here as per his wish There is war going on in the sky . Allah is fighting all other Gods. No time for Allah for this world. ………. YES, ALAH has needs . Just read quran 51: 56 in which allah says (YUSUF ALI TRANSLATION) : "I have only created Jinns and men, that they may serve Me." It is very clear , allah needed Jinns and men in order to serve him. …………….. Allah is needy than any: Special item is blood of innocent mankind. Then money and wealth of non muslims. allah the black stone needs maintenance from abduls Because not even one muslim giving loans to needy allah, allah teach muslim how to loot the unarmed caravans. Finally allah got the spoil from that. They ask thee (O Muhammad) of the spoils of war. Say: The spoils of war belong to Allah and the messenger, so keep your duty to Allah, and adjust the matter of your difference, and obey Allah and His messenger, if ye are (true) believers. (Qoran 8:1) Actually the needy allah is muhamMAD himself. So ridiculous to say that allah the almighty need spoils of war. MuhamMAD made up his own allah and using allah as a puppet whenever he need it. ………………………. • Why the infinitely powerful and merciful Allah resort to violence though? In Quran from verse 7:59 to 7:136 he mentioned a list of genocides he caused on people because they rejected his messenger’s message.

Allah prays "There are additional references which acknowledge that Allah prays: The people of Israel said to Moses: “Does your Lord pray?” His Lord called him [saying]: “O Moses, they asked you if your Lord prays. Say [to them] ‘Yes, I do pray, and my angels [pray] upon my prophets and my messengers,’” and Allah then sent down on his messenger: “Allah and His angels pray…” (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Q. 33:56; translated from the Arabic online edition; bold emphasis ours) And: Hadith 216: The Israelites said to Musa: Does your Lord pray? Musa said: Fear Allah, O Sons of Israel! Allah said: O Musa! What did your people say? Musa said: O my Lord, You already know? They said: Does your Lord pray? Allah said: Tell them My prayer for My servants is that My Mercy should precede My Anger. If it were not so, I would have destroyed them. [Ibn ‘Asakir] (Al-Ahadith Al-Qudsiyyah - Divine Narratives translated by Dr. Abdul Khaliq Kazi & Dr. Alan B. Day, Section 2: Al-Ithafat Al-Saniyya Bi‘l-Ahadith Al-Qudsiyyah by Shaikh Zain al-Din Abdul Ra‘uf b. Taj al-‘Arifin b. ‘Ali b. Zayn al-‘Abidin al-Munawi [Dar Al Kitab Arabi - USA, 1995], pp. 305-306; underline emphasis ours) The following is supposed to be a prayer of Allah taken from Ibn Hisham’s Al-Sirah Al-Halabiyya: قلت يا جبريل أيصلى ربك قال نعم قلت وما يقول قال يقول سبوح قدوس رب الملائكة والروح سبقت رحمتى غضبى I [Muhammad] said, “O Gabriel, does your Lord pray?” He said, “Yes.” I said, “What does he say?” “This is what he says. He says: ‘Glory, holy, Lord of the angels and the Spirit. My mercy overcomes my wrath.’” (Bold, underline and comments within brackets ours)" www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/allah_worships.html ………… • Does your lord pray?" quran.ksu.edu.sa/tafseer/katheer/sura33-aya56.html • The below 2 hadiths clearly demonstrate that allah's prayers are not the same as his mercy or his blessings. It was narrated that abu Sa'eed Al-Khudri said: "We said: 'O Messenger of Allah (ﷺ), we know how to send salams upon you, but how should we send salah upon you?' He said: 'Say: "Allahumma salli 'ala Muhammadin 'abdika wa rasulika kama salaita 'ala Ibrahim wa barik 'ala Muhammadin wa 'ala ali Muhammadin kama barakta 'ala Ibrahim (O Allah, send salah upon Muhammad, Your slave and Messenger , as You sent Salah upon Ibrahim, and send blessings upon Muhammad and upon the family of Muhammad as You sent blessings upon Ibrahim)." Grade : Sahih (Darussalam) Reference : Sunan an-Nasa'i 1293 In-book reference : Book 13, Hadith 115 English translation : Vol. 2, Book 13, Hadith 1294 The Israelites said to Musa: Does your Lord pray? Musa said: Fear Allah, O Sons of Israel! Allah said: O Musa! What did your people say? Musa said: O my Lord, You already know? They said: Does your Lord pray? Allah said: Tell them My prayer for My servants is that My Mercy should precede My Anger. If it were not so, I would have destroyed them. [Ibn ‘Asakir] …………..

Why do you cover with mask brother? Is not good to see you. Please take away the mask.

This guy doesn't know the difference between pray and praise. It's very clear what Sam explain. Thanks Sam

I like this program really god gave you talent

Abdul Bob,don't say my God say my Allah.Abdul,you are a lier like your Qasim.

Sam is a walking encyclopedia

Be honest with your heading

Sam this is what I wrote about before that you should be patient and you are calm and patient here like GodLogic. The more you are patient the better you will be able to have conversation with people and expose them

Sam is so geneous. I feel like one day I meet him

Oh mig. Dear father. Will you atre taking my family.. I PIad to your always

Hello is live or reaction?????

Thats the reason Why 100,000 Muslims people are leaving Islam every year people like Zakir Jesus loves you in his Mighty NAME over your lies.

Why can't Moslems answer a question ?

Glory be to the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit. As it was in the beginning is now and ever shall be world without end Amen+++ Veryly, anyone of not Christian religion bringing arguments about Bible, would brings back the way to Jesus with them. No one can stand any kind of reasoning in the part of the Bible. Quran is nonsense in compared to the Bible 🌹🙏🌹✝️✝️✝️🇵🇭🇵🇭

(11:27) that's why this dude needs to research the Shroud of Turin! in fact, up until now, there hasn't been a single piece of evidence that does _not_ coincide w/ a 1st century burial cloth from Jerusalem (since the carbon dating from 1988 has now been proven flawed... by using samples that were patched at much later dates)-not to mention the fact that the image on the Shroud has NO naturalistic _or_ man-made explanation whatsoever!

I love Sam, but i hate when he bullies the other debator. He only wants the oponents to listen to him speaking only