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I myself started Karate in Shotokan and learned kumite this way. Almost 3 years ago my family and i moved and I had to find a new Dojo to train and the only one was Kyokushin. It's definitely a different beast and feels more practical and I honestly enjoy it more. It would be really hard to go back to Shotokan style sparring

@@JoesGeekShow Black belt in Shotokan, tried kyokoshin for about 4 months. I did find the kicks much better, and the greater focus on take downs useful. But I really hated the punches. (the style) and the fact I couldnt go for the head.

@@tadaaaa952 yeah the punching is always going to be more preferential. I think Kyokushin overall has more devastating punches and kicks, although the lack of head punching is a shame sometimes. But if I had to choose I would still go with Kyokushin because while Shotokan gave me really good footwork I struggled with pulling my punches and kicks a lot in the beginning. It would now be so hard to adapt back to a light contact style with sparring.

@@JoesGeekShow Yeah I loved the full contact aspect. Made it more real, But then I had my front teeth knocked back to a wobble (they recovered) from a kick in shotokan when I was 15. I'm trying boxing now i'm 45 and thats pretty darn good, but they were very annoyed with my lack of face guarding at first. (and they were right) Boxing really works, It's been properly tested for real fights. From my experience I think thai boxing is likely the most all rounded that combines kicks, viable blocks, and all parts of the body. Add a bit of judo and you have an all round useful art. But then MMA has proven a lot of this. I still love Karate, but I understand it's limitations.

They are "free fighting". That's what kumite is. They are testing for their blackbelts and thus must show their fighting skills IN KARATE. Because that's all is being judged, the karate. Karate doesn't grapple on the ground for a reason. It was originally developed to defend against an armed attacker or multiple.

@@Dankelheit Ok thank you. So it is restricted to certain zukis and geris ex. if you would do a flying knee to the chin wouldnt be karate move and you would fail or at least noticed not to do "weird" movements outside of karate. I dont know, maybe everything is allowed except grapple on the ground. Also maybe it would be extrely hard to do flying knee against karateka. Im sure I will learn and understand this stuff later.

​ @Bogse's soultrain absolutely not limited to certain techniques. More like following the ethos and logic of karate. That said, there are so many different styles and ethos of karate. Some even grapple on the ground(Kudo). Some fight till knockdown(kyokushin). Some use swords and sais. Karateka absolutely do flying knees. Check out MVP's in bellator. Cracked Cyborgs skull. The karate is in no way restricting anybody from doing anything in a "free fight". This black belt kumite is literally called free fighting. A trained fighter will always beat an untrained one if everything else is equal. When you're self trained or a "street fighter" you have no technique because you wouldn't even know enough about fighting/martial arts to know what you don't know. See street fight videos and people literally flail at each other because they never learned how to throw a proper tsuki Anyway, you have the right mentality as a yellow belt to question things and see why they work and I'm sure you'll progress a lot farther OSS

@@bogse Once you get to black belt a good club will teach you to shorten everything and make things practical. Everything up to blackbelt is training muscle memory, once there, then you can shorten and loosen up, and adapt the moves you have programmed into your body. Full technique blocks simply dont work in kumite, or anywhere else. Simply put you cant react and get there before a guy who threw a punch unless you knew in advance it was coming. So boxer defence with all your blocks minimised and shortened. Don't do stiff stepping punches, instead fast on your feet lunges to get distance folllowed by combinations. tap someones foot for example as if going for a sweep then go in for a long punch to the chest. Karate gets a bad rep in real life situations as much of it in its taught form does not work. BUT it WILL work if you use all that muscle memory to do things faster, looser, shorter, and less "full form".

They are each assigned to watch a different testee. They give their input to Okazaki Sensei( 9th Dan, head of ISKF) and he makes the final decision. However, when I tested in 1987 there were only 2. Okazaki Sensei (Teriyuki, 10th Dan, since passed) and Greer Golden Sensei (5th Dan, one of the highest ranked caucasions at the time, he also has passed). And I agree, Some of the testers demeanors leave a lot to be desired...almost one of derision?? ISKF was founded in 1977 and has since broken away from the JKA.(2003 I think) I left it when this happened.

I agree, except that I was told by Okazaki Sensei (Teriuki 10th Dan) that my Shodan test (1987) was one of the best he ever saw (for a caucasion). But my speed and technique were very similar to the one closest to the camera. I imagine he passed. I would say they all probably passed.

Did you stick with it?

Do you still practice Shotokan? If so what belt do you currently hold?

Lol they've got less on strictly come dancing

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Can you tell me ithere a lot of difference between karate and TKD basic kicks or are they basically same, front kick, side kick, roundhouse kick?

@@bogse tkd is a korean copy of Shotokan from the 40's

I think so!

Heian Yondan , not yandan.

Tested in 1987. Same. Bassai and Yondan. And yes, the kihon (combinations) we were asked to do were a little bit more complicated. And we didn't know what it would be beforehand as it seems to be here. Unless they all speak fluent Japanese!

Mawashi? Where?

llcoolmartine they did kihon! You didn’t see the complete video!

If I as an instructor have had these students since white belt... do they really need a trial by fire test for shodan or nidan. I have been watching them for 4 to 5 years.... this test is just a formality... right?

@@ACoustaDC No, not in an organization as big as the ISKF. More than likely their immediate sensei is not even one of the testers. However, it does not take an excessive amount of demonstrations for a high level (5th dan and above) karateka to determine the skill level of a lower level brown or black belt. In Shotokan, all a Shodan signifies is that you are master of the basics.

Kyokushin!! Osu!!!

Are judo, jiujitsu and kickboxing modern?

Very robotic and lacking in fluidity... The punches were all very short and the timing was out... But the student nearest had a lot of natural talent it just needs to be explored.

Obviously not good enough for a dan exam.

@Kenjutsu Tengu Thank you for the explanaition, that is understood as an excuse for this bad exam.

I’ve been practicing shotokan on and off for 45 years. It’s a style that you either like or hate. Good thing there’s lots of other disciplines out there that suit all types of people.

nine minute video.

A very nice way of putting it. I feel the man nearest the camera really needs to pull back stronger and keep that arm tight by his side and not have it flop around during his techniques. Bigger movements and longer stances all around would be good also to help generate power.

Alex Webster it must be real sad that you live planet on where you keep looking over your shoulder not knowing and wondering when is you time up and you have known on where you are born but don’t know when or where are cease to exist in life like the great Bruce Lee once said “everything you do must have some meaning in life but if you keep on dwelling on your own fault you truly have nothing and no one but to blame yourself on your failures🤔🧐🧐🧐🤨🤨

For our black belt, we had to go to a camp and the founder of our karate style is there plus over 10 5 degrees. So it is a big deal. Btw my style of karate is Kumiai Ryu which is currently only in Australia. And a more realistic karate style.