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Moltke Tactical Problem 49
This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems.
In these videos we look at these problems, and their solutions, with the lens of playing wargames well.
This video is about the question, and solution for Problem 49.
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Moltke Tactical Problem 48
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 45
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 44
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 43
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 42
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 41
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 40
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 39
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 37
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 36
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
AAR Reipzig Tactical Problem
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This After Action Review describes the fast action in a tactical problem given to 12 new players to Kriegsspiel. Using 1859 Prussian units, the Red team had to figure out how to push an artillery reinforced, but smaller Blue team out of the hills. Check out how timing and concentration becomes key tools for the victor of the scenario. A great start for some new Kreigsspiel commanders!
Moltke Tactical Problem 35
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
AAR The Battle of Montebello, 1859
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This is the third scenario in The Century of Kriegsspiel Series. These scenarios obscure the history for the players, so the decisions they make are not derived from reading the script of the historical outcomes. The units use traditional Kriegsspiel frontages and the rules are adapted for a technically assisted version of the original Kriegsspiel. This scenario was on a 1859 battle in the Seco...
Moltke Tactical Problem 34
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This series presents in shortened video form the tactical problems Field Marshal Moltke presented at the Prussian Army Staff College. Moltke coined the phrase that "No plan survives first contact with the enemy main body." He believed fighting effectively was exploring a series of options and these options were explored in his Tactical Problems. In these videos we look at these problems, and th...
Moltke Tactical Problem 33
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Moltke Tactical Problem 33
Moltke Tactical Problem 32
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Moltke Tactical Problem 30
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Moltke Tactical Problem 30
AAR Frankfurt Tactical Problem Scenario
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AAR Frankfurt Tactical Problem Scenario
Moltke Tactical Problem 29
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Moltke Tactical Problem 29
AAR Battle of Maella 1838
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AAR Battle of Maella 1838
Moltke Tactical Problem 27
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Moltke Tactical Problem 26
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Moltke Tactical Problem 20
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Moltke Tactical Problem 20
AAR, The Battle of Suffolk
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AAR, The Battle of Suffolk
Moltke Tactical Problem 19
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Moltke Tactical Problem 19
Moltke Tactical Problem 18
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Komentáře

  • @okoyechigozie1775
    @okoyechigozie1775 Před 4 dny

    How can I play kriegsspiel umpire game

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 4 dny

      @@okoyechigozie1775 you can go to the International Kriegsspiel Society discord server and there are dozens of games there. Check them out at kriegsspiel.org

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 Před 5 dny

    clearly, you need to know some background information, otherwise any decision you make will be at best a guess. the basic fact is, the allies are on the strategic defensive at this time in this location. therefore, to blindly send your troops across the river can immediately be classed as "stupid and reckless", so we rule it out. the difference between 1&3 seems unclear, but appears to be only whether or not you use scouts. ALWAYS use scouts, unless you know that it wouldn't work.

  • @victorfinberg8595
    @victorfinberg8595 Před 5 dny

    my immediate response is: this is a poorly defined problem. - is force preservation a priority? - is rapid advance a priority? - do we know anything about the terrain ahead? - what do we know about the enemy force? without knowing these things (and at least SOME of them WOULD be known), any decision would be nothing more than a guess. there are other factors that WOULD be known, but we have not been told. so, sorry, define the problem properly before asking for answers.

    • @victorfinberg8595
      @victorfinberg8595 Před 5 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose so are you saying NONE of that information would have been given to the players? i think you appreciate where i am coming from.

  • @zachariah1688
    @zachariah1688 Před 5 dny

    Pausing as requested. I feel that none of these are the best answer this time. We have improved communications to the south, where we are also located, but the enemy and our largest concentration is north of us by ~20 miles. Time to decide is of the essence here, but so is timing of coordination. I would telegraph 2nd Army HQ to concentrate between Thiacourt and Pagny with all do haste and engage the enemy's right if feasible and advantageous. Simultaneously, I am sending a message to 1st Army HQ informing them of the situation and what I am doing, to move on Metz, retake the city and river crossings if the 3rd and 10th have failed in their delay, and drive the French out of the region. While that message went to 1st Army HQ (again, 1st Army would have been notified i was doing this), I also sent messages to each corps of 1st army informing them to move towards Metz and prepare for further orders from their HQ. The reason for the overstep is the natural delay and chance for disruption of orders is reduced as the first and foremost thing for 1st Army to do is concentrate at the river crossings of Metz. 2nd Army will need time to gather forces, and the hopefully rapid response from 1st Army will engage the French well enough to relieve the 3rd and 10th, AND distract from the 2nd Army gathering on their flank. Also, it gives me time to learn more about the situation and develop logistics paths that will be needed for such a large engagement in the coming day or two. The delay in communication methods and distances needed to be covered to carry out those orders can only be made negligible by decisive time utilization and thoughtful appraisal of timing with the execution of those orders. So, in a long-winded way, I reject the 3 options provided.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 5 dny

      So after finishing the video, I did not consider the possible traffic jam of the 7th, 8th, and 9th. I also don't agree that mere throwing two nearby corps into the fray feally helps do anything but stoke the fire. It wouldn't not relieve the 3rd and 10th if we are dealing with a peer-level force of a French army, as they are concentrated already and could just overwhelm the 12th and Guard. No, congestion issues aside, I stand by my "4th Option." Lol

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před 5 dny

    This is a very interesting and different problem. I don't think I know enough to make a really good guess but I think option 3 to bypass the army headquarters will only result in later confusion and problems, even if it means it takes a little longer to get orders out. I'm not sure which is better between 1 and 2 so I'll just go with 1. We need to get 2nd Army moving first as it's the furthest away and needs time to gather.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 5 dny

      I think the point he is illustrating is the Chief of Staff has to first consider the timing of operations and the giving of orders in the sequence the least disrupts the chain of command while ensuring the best outcome. Stories of his orders in the Austro-Prussian and Franco-Prussian wars are filled with examples of him going direct to a command to ensure the total force was best positioned. This may be my favorite problem of the series and an excellent one for players of Kriegsspiel.

    • @IKS_kriegsspiel
      @IKS_kriegsspiel Před 4 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose Yes, a very interesting scenario. I should have paid more attention to the differences between 1 and 2. I probably would have gone with 2 as well had I understood it better and thought more about it.

  • @langbart8218
    @langbart8218 Před 5 dny

    That's a different kind of problem. Option 1 follows the chain of command and should cause the least amount of confusion but is probably the slowest response. Option 3 is the most chaotic but probably the fastest. With option 2 somewhere in the middle. With regard to the information that the engaged units are hard pressed speed is important but a good route of retreat might be needed. Therefore, option 2 is my choice. 2nd army should have no problem with the telegraph lines in place to understand the situation and coordinate their units and reestablish the chain of command and communication. 1st army, which has none such luxury, is kept in good order and can coordinate their response.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 5 dny

      @@langbart8218 it is absolutely a different kind of problem, and one a Chief of Staff would have to consider. These problems trained the order writers - and the distribution of the orders and timing of arrival would be an important consideration. Though less exciting than the others, I really like it.

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 5 dny

      @UmpireLaFondiose oh, it was definitely enjoyable and interesting to change the perspective one looks at the problem

  • @zhoufang996
    @zhoufang996 Před 5 dny

    The solution from Moltke here seems a bit dubious. If you are in telegraph contact with 2nd army headquarters and the individual corps, surely 2nd HQ would be in contact with the corps as well. And probably 2nd HQ would have a better understanding of their local situation and how to get the corps moving than you. So I don't really see going over 2HQ's heads as saving much time versus the disorganisation that could result. Maybe the Guards are where they are for a very good reason and only 2HQ know that. Maybe this is a very classically Prussian attitude we're seeing here, in terms of a readiness to work outside the normal chain of command. I'm not sure that from a retrospective historical perspective it's ultimately wise.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 5 dny

      @@zhoufang996 not necessarily. The telegraph was a rarer asset back then, and the implication is the time for the subordinate command to reissue the order could be spared with a direct order. I think that is what makes this an interesting problem.

  • @przemekreszka2825
    @przemekreszka2825 Před 7 dny

    Great video and very interesting first time i came upon such a thing, truth be told i did not solve this correctly i dismised the northern most river crossing as i though that the two batalions in cathbe would be able to react approprietly given the long march north, and the inteligience possesed by the enemy

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 7 dny

      @@przemekreszka2825 keep trying the other ones and with time the patterns start to emerge! Thanks for commenting!

  • @gary4936
    @gary4936 Před 10 dny

    While I was initially tempted to ford the south and perhaps even attack the isolated Bernberg garrison, I decided to cross north because doing so would effectively isolate the Bernberg battalion, and force the Calbe battalions to intercept me on (hopefully) more favorable terrain, rather than staying in more defensible positions.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 10 dny

      @@gary4936 what did you think of the solution?

    • @gary4936
      @gary4936 Před 10 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose I'm glad my final decision was the same as Moltke, but my reasoning was wrong. I was too focused on destroying the forward detachment and forgot the larger picture.

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před 12 dny

    I'd do number 2 as it takes advantage of the lakes to reduce the avenues of approach the enemy can take. Of course, Moltke is gonna disagree with me and probably say 1 because even up north you can threaten the enemy's line of supply and so they have to attack you in the heights.

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před 12 dny

      Hey! We finally agree!

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 12 dny

      @@The1JHorton can it be possible the long dry spell has ended?

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 12 dny

      @@The1JHorton 1 out of 48 ain’t bad!

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před 11 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose One data point doesn't make a trend but hopefully Moltke and I can turn a new leaf and get along better now.

  • @zachariah1688
    @zachariah1688 Před 12 dny

    Hey, I got to this video quick this time. 😅 Pausing as requested. I would use "Option 2" as an amazing staging ground with the natural choke points and defensible ground with the lakes and connecting branches/streams. Taking the largest of my divisions, let's assume 5th, I would deploy them to the southern chokepoint near Treplin using the terrain to their utmost advantage. I would then stack 3rd and 4th divisions on our left, with 3rd a little back to act as an emergency reserve. Relatively flat valley between Mallnow and the lake. This position protects the main paths east to Berlin, and assuming that the enemy does try the most direct path to Berlin, which would be the southern path near Treplin at this point, you can use a malformed oblique to crush the enemy's right with 2 whole divisions. If they choose the northern path through Karzig we have two divisions there to hold it, and possibly also flank with the largest of the 3 on their left. Either way, using such advantageous terrain effectively gives you the area of denial effect of at least one division. Also, should the need to fallback arise, you can return to the heights in good order from "Option 2" and the enemy would still have to navigate worse terrain buying you time. If you are victorious, pushing them back across the river would be ideal, but bottling them at Lebus or Schonfleiss would work well too!

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 12 dny

      Just finished watching, and holy cow! He and I agreed almost exactly! I am proud of that answer now. 😆

  • @langbart8218
    @langbart8218 Před 12 dny

    Option 1 leaves a lot of room for the enemy to bypass my force, but I could threaten his supply and communication lines if he does so. Option 3 is the most aggressive of the three. It would be perfect if we could prevent a crossing of the oder river, but it is very unlikely to succeed and there should be a reason we retreated in the first place. Most likely we would be to late and can't win in open field. Option 2 is my favorite as it takes advantage of the terrain. This is not intended as a glorious last stand but as a delay of the enemy. If they really cross at Lebus they have to fight us at adventurous positions. If things look bad we can fall back to position 3. In the best case they move of and try to cross somewhere else. In any case we are buying time. So let's see.

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 12 dny

      We had the same solution but slightly different reasons for it.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 12 dny

      ​@@langbart8218you and me both. It is hard for me to tell timing with these maps sometimes, especially not being familiar with Germany to that scale either. Congrats on getting it "right" (aka agreeing with Moltke) too!

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 12 dny

      @zachariah1688 I now always open Google maps to find the area and see how far away the objective is and I am from Germany. One also always has to consider how long it took until you got the information.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 12 dny

      @@langbart8218 Indeed! Great idea about using Google during the pause time! To steal a quote from G.I. Joe, "Now I know, and knowing is half the battle!" 😆

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 12 dny

      @@langbart8218 your logic follows Moltke’s almost to the letter!

  • @Cyarrick1
    @Cyarrick1 Před 14 dny

    What an excellent AAR

  • @collin4592
    @collin4592 Před 15 dny

    Wow I actually got this one correct.

  • @zachariah1688
    @zachariah1688 Před 15 dny

    Pausing as requested. I would hybridize Options 1 and 2, leaning more into 2. Our objective is to defeat the enemy, best to do that concentrated. We also have a secondary objective to protect the supply convoys heading to Belfort, as applicable. So, taking the 29th and joining with the advanced guard force the enemy to engage a delaying action through favorable terrain (as far as I can tell on the map) near Brucken Weiter (sorry for the spelling). While keeping the enemy engaged we distract from the convoy and buy precious time to concentrate. I would suggest focusing around the Gild Weiter area and then with a reunited 28th, 30th, and cavalry detachment, counter attack the enemy with the 29th in reserve so as to rest them from what I intend to be (again, as best I can decipher from the map) a 1 or 2 day delaying action.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 15 dny

      Okay, finished the video. My plan is similar to Moltke's but again less conservative in approach.😅 Using my plan of focusing near Gild Weiter allows for better counter-maneuvering if the enemy moves north or south as it is also a crossroads on the map, but I can't tell the quality of the road so that may have something to do with it.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 13 dny

      You are always one step ahead of him. His system was designed to counter a culture of aggressive attacking in the Prussian system, so it is interesting to see your perception of his conservative approach. Keep after it!

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před 13 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose Thank for such high praise! I was not aware that this was written as counter culture, but that does make sense with the fairly recent prestige of Frederick II and the trauma (lacking a better word atm) of Napoleon from when this was written. I have learned something today. 😌

  • @nebojsag.5871
    @nebojsag.5871 Před 18 dny

    Smashing the much smaller enemy division is juicy and tempting, but it's ultimately a distraction from the mission, so that's a hard pass. They'd just retreat like crazy and divert you from doing your job of screening for the siege. The enemy's numerical superiority isn't all that huge, so just sitting tight and seeing how the situation develops isn't a bad idea, especially since your job isn't to destroy the enemy, but to delay him. Going for the good defensive position is also a viable option, if it doesn't restrict your future options too much. I doubt 3000ish men can do much about the siege. I suppose Moltke would like to remind us that the mission always comes first, so he'd advise us to sit tight and wait to see what the enemy is up to.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 13 dny

      What did you think of the solution?

    • @nebojsag.5871
      @nebojsag.5871 Před 12 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose I think Moltke was a fantastic general and all, and all his concepts are good, but he's not very good at crafting hypotheticals to illustrate those concepts. Like, the more of these problems I get into, the more it seems like good military sense in the given situation is completeley secondary to guessing what Moltke was trying to achieve rhetorically, and even here he's wildly inconsistent. Like, DUH, concentrating on killing the enemy in detail is great and all, but let's not forget the broader picture. Everything about the scenario screams "Moltke is trying to teach you that you must never forget your mission in the name of winning strategically meaningless tactical victories" But he then just turns around and does the opposite.

  • @nebojsag.5871
    @nebojsag.5871 Před 18 dny

    It depends on the force ratios. Is my army big enough to defeat the enemy armies in detail without taking particularly nasty casualties? Does the enemy lack artillery that they can park on the hills to make the Northwestern road a kill-zone? If the answer to both of these questions is "yes" then I leave a small garrison at Glatz to hold off the enemy southwestern group for a bit, while the bulk of my forces squishes the enemy force around Branau, before marching back along the road and smashing the enemy force coming from the South-West as they emerge from the heights. Remember, they're slow, because they are marching through trackless hills, right? Finally, relieve the Glatz garrison and celebrate our victory. In any case, letting the enemy concentrate is a bad idea, but forcing your troops to whiz around and fight multiple exhausting battles within a short space of time is also a bad idea, especially if the enemy also happens to take the high ground and pepper you with artillery as you march, and *especially* if they might be stronger than you expect, giving them the ability to cut of your supplies/line of retreat. Sitting around Glatz is the safe-ish option, because you will have plenty of time to support Silberberg if the enemy goes towards it, while Glatz itself is easily accessible to the enemy via roads, and is therefore the most likely target for the enemy to attack. Let's see how I did. Heh. Moltke's works in mysterious ways. It really isn't like him to be this defensive.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 13 dny

      It is the pattern of all his solutions that defines the approach. Keep after it!

  • @nebojsag.5871
    @nebojsag.5871 Před 18 dny

    It really depends on how quickly they can cross the river and how much of an advantage I have over them in terms of numbers and morale. They are retreating after a defeat, true, but my guys are also tired from fighting and pursuing. Also, I have no cavalry to screen or scout for me, so the enemy may be bringing up reinforcements without me knowing. If they're really worn down and can't get across the river in time, then attacking them directly might actually be a good idea. It's possible I can smash their rear-guard just quickly enough that only a *part* of the enemy main force manages to cross, leaving the other part in a very vulnerable position, where they can be defeated while in the chaos of an incomplete river crossing. Even if their entire main body manages to get away, I still get to destroy their advanced guard. Option 3 might be a good idea, if there is more than one viable river-crossing, because that way we have the initiative and can concentrate to overcome the enemy's defensive advantage. On the other hand, if there is only one crossing, then the enemy can easily anticipate and block us, inflicting heavy casualties. Knowing Moltke, he's probably going to invent some absolutely crazy but ingenious reason why 2 is the best option, 1 is acceptable and 3 is the worst possible option. My guess is that it's going to be something like this: "Even if you fail to catch the enemy main body with their pants down/mid-crossing, you at least annihilate their advanced guard, making them weaker in the long run. Option 1 wastes this opportunity. Option 3 is terrible, because the enemy can save his main force AND his advanced guard while you are dithering/wandering South. Also, don't forget that you don't have cavalry to scout ahead, so the enemy might be bringing up reinforcements which will stop you dead in the South, while the erstwhile retreating enemy counterattacks you in the back. Did I mention that if the enemy sees your main body moving south, they'll just stop retreating, smash your advanced guard and cut off your retreat/supplies while you're crossing the river?" Let's see how I did: Ah, apparently I was under the delusion that I didn't have cavalry and that there were only two viable river crossings, the one just next to Halle and the one in the South.

  • @nebojsag.5871
    @nebojsag.5871 Před 18 dny

    The problem seems kinda weird. I don't see what the differences between the options are supposed to be, at least not from the text itself. The map gives me some pointers though. My gut instinct is to take the option to attack the enemy forward element as quickly as possible before the main enemy force can concentrate, and then just dig in in Frankfurt and trust the inherent advantage of the defense, together with the advantage of dense urban terrain will allow me to weather the enemy onslaught. I kind of think that using the southern approach isn't a good idea, due to the rough terrain, which will slow my troops down, but other than that, it's a toss-up between options 1 and 2. Also yes, the map does seem to show that the high-road really does lead into elevated terrain, while the southern approach seems to go through less-than-passable woodlands. However, since there is no explicit information with regard to the speed of the different options, I tend to gravitate towards option 1, because it means I can take the high ground away from the enemy, especially since I have cavalry and he has only infantry and artillery, meaning I can get there first. Ergo, send the cavalry division North to occupy the heights and hold them until the infantry marches along the main road to face the enemy. Depending on whether we have the time, we can send a division of infantry to relieve the by bow beleaguered cavalry, set up our artillery on the heights, bombard the enemy, send in the infantry to break them and finally send the cavalry to mop them up as they retreat. But since we probably don't have time, we probably have to whack the enemy ASAP before we can set up an ideal infantry-artillery position. Let's see how I did:

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 5 dny

      I think the principle here is to use the superior forces at your disposal to threaten the enemy line of retreat. Attacking head on would allow the enemy to fall back along his line of retreat. Using the forest brings more pressure on the enemy to withdraw and nullifies the terrain advantage. Good notes though!

  • @FlyxPat
    @FlyxPat Před 19 dny

    I chose 2. Usually he's concerned about lines of communication and protecting the route to Belfort is part of the scenario info. Option 2 would enable 2 divisions and the avantgarde to concentrate closer to Belfort and meet the enemy on the ridgeline ahead of Traubach with most of the corps. The 30th and cavalry coming up behind provide a manoeuvre element and reserve. Going for Option 3 seems to abandon Belfort for the safest solution

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 18 dny

      @FlyxPat I was with you. Read my comment string and you will understand.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 18 dny

      Moltke often advocates for the most conservative solution. What did you think of his proposal?

    • @FlyxPat
      @FlyxPat Před 18 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose - mostly that it seems to abandon Belfort. A Royal Navy commander of this period can get cashiered for being overly cautious in the face of the enemy. We also don't know the size of the attacking force, It might only be a division. I think the first priority is intel on the opposing force, which means raids and delaying actions by the forward elements to get prisoners and force the attackers to deploy and show their hand. If it's a division, concentrate forward. If it's a corps, concentrate on the ridge line near Traubach. If it's more than a corps, fall back.

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před 19 dny

    I'd do option 2. Gotta give time for my army to gather so I wouldn't do 1. 3 is still an option if necessary but 2 holds the good terrain and keeps an eye on the ultimate goal of clearing a path west.

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před 19 dny

      Dang it Moltke!

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 18 dny

      @The1JHorton I was with you. Read my comment string and you will understand.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 18 dny

      This one is less intuitive. A good candidate to play out!

  • @langbart8218
    @langbart8218 Před 19 dny

    Option 1: bad. One would be not fast enough to concentrate there, leaving oneself vounrable to defeat in detail. Option 3 is also bad but for another reason. Here one concentrate just fine but support for belfort is not possible anymore. Also the wagons are now easy pickings. Option 2 seems best. 2 divisions should be able to hold until the cav and 3rd arrive. Also the units are close enough to prevent the red force to turn around and attack the wagons or belfort.

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 19 dny

      And Molke sees it differently. I will read the text version to understand his position. Just from the video I see no reason for the red force to continue east if belfort is the target

    • @langbart8218
      @langbart8218 Před 19 dny

      Okay found the reasons: 1) the wagons have an escort (I should have remembered that from a previous Problem). 2) The wagons are only 5km away from belfort and will have reached it befor any sizable force can catch them. Interesstingly those topics are not even mentioned in the solution

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před 22 dny

    This more fun than Wordle! Got this one right by Moltke!!!

  • @xrilott7472
    @xrilott7472 Před 23 dny

    Awesome video!❤

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před 23 dny

    I would have gone for option 2 because then you can take the Autobahn...

  • @ashutoshtripathi.
    @ashutoshtripathi. Před 24 dny

    Are problems 9 and 10 in a different playlist?

  • @ashutoshtripathi.
    @ashutoshtripathi. Před 24 dny

    Okay so if you're the enemy why wouldn't you pick the forces off one at a time?

  • @ashutoshtripathi.
    @ashutoshtripathi. Před 24 dny

    It seems to me that 1 is the better approach, it offers better speed thus enabling you to defeat the enemy in detail

  • @ashutoshtripathi.
    @ashutoshtripathi. Před 24 dny

    This is an excellent idea for a playlist

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před 24 dny

    Got this one right!

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před 26 dny

    Tasdorf eat Worldorf!!!

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před 27 dny

    Somehow I missed this one when it came out. I'll do number 2. Number 1 is too aggressive when you don't know the enemy strength yet. 3 seems like you're not complying with your mission as you're falling back too hard and giving up good ground too easily. Of course I'm wrong because Moltke and I never agree.

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před 27 dny

      See? We never agree. I guess we agree in principle but not in practice. I assumed number 2 was safe enough.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 13 dny

      You are the antithesis - the Cooler! I love it.

  • @agbottan
    @agbottan Před 27 dny

    This thing about finding the central position sounds like the "hold your center line" from kung fu, but with lots of people instead just your own body.

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před 28 dny

    Sneaking 'cross the Saale to Halle...

  • @stephenandersen4625
    @stephenandersen4625 Před 29 dny

    Seems straightforward. Takes the initiative away from red and leaves you options

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 27 dny

      @@stephenandersen4625 Moltke saying his writings to keep it straightforward.

  • @johannesboo6152
    @johannesboo6152 Před 29 dny

    So the enemy have held the river crossings for most of a day and we've only seen about a division of their army. Sounds like a screening force for a defensive deployment. If they were attacking they should have had more forces across by now

  • @artemisfowl7191
    @artemisfowl7191 Před měsícem

    There are benefits and drawbacks to each option, realistically I'd probably want Cavalry to further define the locations of the enemy and make further decisions from there but **Within the context of the problem** the first option is likely the best as the other two more easily allow two OPFOR groups to join together

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      @@artemisfowl7191 what did you think of the solution once you heard it?

    • @artemisfowl7191
      @artemisfowl7191 Před 29 dny

      @@UmpireLaFondiose It made sense to me I guess; it seems obvious that none of the enemy forces can be allowed to remain free to combine themselves with another

  • @thelordkragan1888
    @thelordkragan1888 Před měsícem

    So. My opinion would be as follows: 1. The cavalry should rush to valdieu, and then entrench in the town and vicinity. Recon in force should be ordered, but forbid any large scale attack. Valdieu appears to be within a foresty area, and thus, they should act as skirmishers in the lead up. 2. The second division should take positions at Menoncourt, ready for when enemy division strike. 3. Here i am assuming that: i) the divisions in question are 'square divisions' (read: two brigades formed by two 3-battalion regiments), ii) a prussian style division, were companies and battalions had a certain latitude to operate independently. The 1st division should detach a battalion from each regiment. Regiments from brigade 1A should take positions at Chalonvillars and the ones from 1B at Valdoye. These battalions *should* make their presence known to belfort's garrison. This is done for two reasons: a) it makes the enemy think that the first division is poised to lay siege at belfort and thus dissuade them from sallying forth to valdieu and getting their backs exposed; b) in the case of the the 1B battalions, it gives the 2nd division an additional reserve and deffensive depth. c) In the case the garrison sallies to attack either position (this assumes they got good intel or called the bluff), they can reinforce the other position with ease in order to avoid a two-to-one or three-to-one advantage. Now, this is assuming that valdoye and chalonvillars are less than a day's march of each other and that valdoye is also within a day's march of menoncourt. If the distance is larger, shift said battalions further east so they can support the other formations more effectively. 4. The bulk of the 1st division should go to gros magny. 5. The 3rd division should take positions at gyro magni. 6. Once these two divisions and what is essentially a reinforced brigade are in position, advance to meet the enemy at St Germain. If possible, these divisions should fan out and attack in a 'zulu' style pattern. By these i mean that the 2nd division fans to the east and tries to find a flank and the 3rd division strikes headlong, possibly finding the western flank of the enemy. Once these two divisions are engaged, the weaned off 1st divisions should strike at the center of the formation, which is quite possibly pretty thinned out and brittle. 7a. Once the enemy division's been beaten, the 2nd divisions and the 1st division should turn and help the cavalry brigade. 7b If the second division's been battered by the attack, send them two valdieu and rotate the cavalry brigade. 8. All the forces not sent to valdieu shall lay siege.

    • @thelordkragan1888
      @thelordkragan1888 Před měsícem

      thoughts? @Kriegsspiel Umpire LaFondiose

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před 18 dny

      Yes, I think you have the measure of the problem. The enemy forces to the east cannot be ignored, and a push in that direction ensures they are engaged. Interestingly, in this problem the friendly forces are French, not Prussian, but the Order of Battle for the friendlies is a Prussian two brigade structure. In problems and Kriegsspiels Moltke and the staff did not attempt to make it an OOB accuracy exercise. They focused on principles and kept the forces standard Prussian in composition.

  • @Ralphieboy
    @Ralphieboy Před měsícem

    I got it right!!!

  • @imperatorscratchmataz
    @imperatorscratchmataz Před měsícem

    My thoughts were as follows: 3 has some merit as it allows you to deal with that division nice and easy, but unless you’re troops are super fast then you’re not going to make it in time to stop the reinforcements and supplies arriving. 2 seems to me to be quite a bad idea. You’re open to an attack in the rear by a sortie, and you can’t stop the Thann force if it decides to come to the aid of the Belfort force. Especially if this happens your ideal line of retreat is cut off leaving you the retreat option only of going into what I believe to be enemy territory. 1 allows the lovely central position from which you can cut off communications between the forces, which means they will likely not coordinate well and you can defeat in detail. Worse comes to worst you’ll be fighting all three forces at once, but operating on interior lines you should be able to do a tactical defeat in detail. And if you lose you still have a decent line of retreat.

  • @bramstedt8997
    @bramstedt8997 Před měsícem

    I’ll be honest I have no clue on this one, more complex than most, so instead of guessing I’m just gonna sit back and listen

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      @@bramstedt8997 That’s ok, it’s interesting when you hear his logic.

  • @user-cr3ti1vj6f
    @user-cr3ti1vj6f Před měsícem

    find the central position, so "THEY COULD BE COMING FROM ALL SIDES"

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      As the famous quote goes, it simplifies the problem!

    • @artemisfowl7191
      @artemisfowl7191 Před měsícem

      This sounds like a Chesty Puller ism

    • @user-cr3ti1vj6f
      @user-cr3ti1vj6f Před 29 dny

      @@artemisfowl7191 I was thinking more of Captain America from Generation Kill

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před měsícem

    I'd do 3 to try to knock out the Thann force separately and quickly before the other reinforcements before Altkirch arrive. I think 1 or 2 would end up with me fighting both the Thann force and the Altkirch reinforcements at the same time.

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před měsícem

      Dang it Moltke!

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      LOL, You and Moltke have a special relationship!

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před měsícem

      @@UmpireLaFondiose You've got to turn these into games like you were thinking so I can prove Moltke wrong.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      Of course!

  • @zachariah1688
    @zachariah1688 Před měsícem

    Pausing as requested: I am once again going to modifiy the answers provided. We are a full corps, we need to use those numbers to our advantage, but we are currently spread out a bit much. Utilizing a modified "Option 1": concentrate the infantry near the terrain advantage of Menoncourt along what looks to be an eacape route for Belfort. The cavalry division will deploy to our right with orders to attempt to capture or destroy the reinforcements, and in failing that, prevent them from reinforcing. I would take 2 regiments from 1st division and deploy them in Chalonvillars and Valdoye so as to antagonize Belfort that we have that blocked off, also they will scout for any sallies from Belfort or any odd far-flanking reinforcements from the north. Once obtaining this position you can use the bulk of your forces to deal with the enemy in the field first before concentrating for a siege should one occur as your positioning, and hopeful destruction of reinforcements will persuade the enemy to abandon the position without a fight as you gave them a route to leave due south. Best outcome, you take the fort without a siege and defeat a whole enemy division in the field. Worst case there is an entire enemy corps past that known division, the cavalry fail and Belfort is reinforced and you are forced to reposition to prevent a pincer.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před měsícem

      Edit: So General Moltke and I agree on strategy, but not tactics. 😂 I once again prove to be more agressive I guess.😅

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      In the Moltke explanation of the solution he uses Valdoye as a linking point between forces with two regiments to hold it, so your solution is nicely constructed.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před měsícem

      @@UmpireLaFondiose thank you!

  • @zachariah1688
    @zachariah1688 Před měsícem

    Pausing as requested: I think a modified "Option 2" to Thann is the better position. Your division, blocking that passage places you near enough to your brother unit that should an engagement or disaster happen you can call them up the next day or fall back to them in Mullhausen. The modification would be to detach 75% of your cavalry to escort the caravans in segments. The segments should be timed out that your cavalary guides them 3/4 of the way there, and then goes back for another caravan. 1st caravan will have orders to relay to the fort city of this plan and request they cover the last 25%. This usage of option 2 will leave you nearly blind, yes, but it threatens French entry into the region, protects the caravans that supply a fortification, and protects your deploying fraternal division. Option 1 throws you far too of of the way to be much help or to get help. 3 would stretch you too thin along that caravan line to be effective should the french attack. Modified 2 is the better option.

    • @zachariah1688
      @zachariah1688 Před měsícem

      Edit: I misheard that about the time it would take the reinforcements, so i would have them escorted by my division that first day and then the fort city the next while my cavalry returned to me. All-in-all another agreement I have with General Moltke. 😂

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      Moving to Thann generally is the right impulse according to Moltke. He emphasizes the shorter distance. I find your thinking well constructed. Thanks for the writeup!

  • @stevewixom9311
    @stevewixom9311 Před měsícem

    wow.. actually got this one right lol

  • @langbart8218
    @langbart8218 Před měsícem

    This one is tricky as all 3 options have something to them. Let's start with the super aggressive option 3: the advantage is that i probably can defeat a division with minimal losses. The disadvantage is that the supply will reach the fort and even the division at thann might retreat to the fort. The option to block the road is feasible and blocks the supply but you have to pass by the fort and the line of communication is gone. The best option is to gather north of the fort. From there you can raid the road and block any advances from thann.

  • @The1JHorton
    @The1JHorton Před měsícem

    I'd probably do Number 3. 1 is good but I don't want to march too hard and I'd rather remain centrally located to have the flexibility to face a threat from any direction.

    • @The1JHorton
      @The1JHorton Před měsícem

      Dang it Moltke! Why do you always disagree?!

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      Your record on these is astonishing! LOL

  • @EK-gr9gd
    @EK-gr9gd Před měsícem

    You mixed up the "colours" Usually blue are own troops and red are OP-Force.

    • @UmpireLaFondiose
      @UmpireLaFondiose Před měsícem

      Except when the British adopted Kriegsspiel in the 1890's and instinctively adopted the red colors!

    • @EK-gr9gd
      @EK-gr9gd Před měsícem

      @@UmpireLaFondiose Yes, I know that from TOAW.

  • @gustavoassis1698
    @gustavoassis1698 Před měsícem

    Amazing Video. Tahnk you for sharing it with us.